Bobbi Kristina Brown found unresponsive in bathtub. #4

[sunflowerchick]

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Why would anyone defend Nick Gordon here? There are plenty of logical reasons which point to him as being the only suspect in this case. There were witnesses. There were signs of physical abuse with a tooth being knocked out and her face swollen as per the filed civil suit. The family is not going to file a lawsuit full of innuendo and lies to get justice for BK. They also are not going to go after Gordon just because they are angry over him taking 11k, imo. The police said early on this was a criminal investigation. The police recently turned it over to the DA's office to pursue. This means they believe there is sufficient evidence to suspect foul play. Who ELSE in the house is suspected of harming Bobbi Kristina? No one except Nick Gordon.​

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I haven't posted about this case. But I haven't read anything that proves Nick Gordon did anything to BK. She may have been very high and fell and hit her mouth and knocked out a tooth. I haven't seen much of anything from the investigaters. But I've read a lot from "certain" family members who need to "shut it". I don't believe this Alex Reid person, I've seen her facebook, she's looking for exposure. She hadn't seen BK in 2 yrs. Until there is factual evidence from the LE that Nick Gordon did in fact cause this harm to BK I have the right to defend him. Also, he wasn't the only person in the house.JMO


ETA: I do not trust any of Bobbi Kristina's family, none of them.And now an extended family member is hawking a death bed photo of BK-See TMZ.com

Thank you!!! I can't say thank you enough!

It is getting really difficult to be in the minority here, however we are all entitled to our own opinion and I have mine.

I am not "defending Nick Gordon" and I have said this time and again. I merely point out that NO ONE here has heard anything from a reliable source enough to be crucifying him on this site (or anywhere else for that matter).

Imagine if we find that he really did nothing, loves BK with all his heart and is truly going through some real guilt and turmoil merely for the fact that he couldn't save her? How would you all feel then?

 

[Hiandmighty]

Wasn't she recently flown to and from a specialist? Could this pic have been taken during transport?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

1. My post wasn't aimed at anyone directly and certainly not you specifically.

2. Please tell me where you are finding "legitimate" news on this because the most "reliable" source I found was CNN and they copied their article from TMZ. That pretty much discredited it for me. Please keep in mind, when I refer to "reliable news", I mean first hand accounts from a doctor, lawyer, LEO, or other reputable source, not family, not friends, not anything hearsay or from a "reliable source" who is un-named.

...What I don't understand is why everyone here is jumping on that train. I didn't suggest that your comment was directed specifically at me, but "everyone here" sounds all-inclusive. I don't necessarily share everyone's sentiments about any of the players in this case.

There has been a civil lawsuit filed against Nick Gordon. Based on the suit, there is likely evidence indicating that he may have had something to do with Bobbi Kristina's injuries. This doesn't necessarily mean that Nick intended to kill BK, but her (possibly) fatal injuries might eventually turn into a murder investigation. For now, the criminal investigation is ongoing, and details won't be revealed until it's completed. My guess is that will be after Bobbi Kristina passes and an autopsy is done to determine COD.

I don't have an opinion on the $11K that Nick supposedly transferred into his bank account as we don't have information about how the couple handled financial transactions while living together. I doubt the civil lawsuit was filed without some evidence to back up the claims. :moo:

 

[swedie]

Thank you!!! I can't say thank you enough!

It is getting really difficult to be in the minority here, however we are all entitled to our own opinion and I have mine.

I am not "defending Nick Gordon" and I have said this time and again. I merely point out that NO ONE here has heard anything from a reliable source enough to be crucifying him on this site (or anywhere else for that matter).

Imagine if we find that he really did nothing, loves BK with all his heart and is truly going through some real guilt and turmoil merely for the fact that he couldn't save her? How would you all feel then?

BBM - Well he had a strange way of showing it don't you think?

Interestingly enough how no one who personally knows him is coming to his defence...other then his lawyer. Even his own birth mother gave up on him years ago allowing WH to deal with her troubled son. Hmm. Time will tell and I don't think it's going to come as a surprise to many. We'll see. MOO.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

For anyone who hasn't read it, the civil lawsuit is included here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2015/06/24/bobbi-kristina-nick-gordon-lawsuit/29233597/

 

[sunflowerchick]

BetteDavisEyes, thank you for clarifying. I appreciate and respect your opinion and I apologize for getting so defensive. I am frequently in the minority here because I tend to be more skeptical and less judgmental than most. It gets so bad at times that I don't always post and have considered leaving altogether.

Problem is I truly believe in the "cause" and this site is the best I have found so far. Perhaps that is why I get so defensive. I do not want this site to turn into an unreliable or tabloid-type source of information. It is for that reason that I need to see something really proven before I accept it as fact.

IMO in this case, that hasn't happened. There has been no proof of anything. I don't think we have even had any factual confirmation (from a legitimate medical person responsible for her care), of BK's condition as of yet however we can agree that it is grim, at best.

As for Mr. Gordon, I will wait until we have something more concrete before forming my opinion. I think we can agree that he has indulged in some pretty stupid behavior. Drugs, partying, meddling in financial affairs and things he shouldn't be meddling in? Sure, that's likely. An abuser, calculated murderer, manipulative user? Only time will tell.

 

[sunflowerchick]

BBM - Well he had a strange way of showing it don't you think?

Interestingly enough how no one who personally knows him is coming to his defence...other then his lawyer. Even his own birth mother gave up on him years ago allowing WH to deal with her troubled son. Hmm. Time will tell and I don't think it's going to come as a surprise to many. We'll see. MOO.

1. I don't pretend to know the nature of Nick's relationship with BK so I have no idea if he "had a strange way of showing it" or not. In the images I have seen, he appears to be truly distraught and we know he has engaged in destructive behavior. That could just as easily be related to his devastation because he loves BK as it could be anything else.

2. His birth mother HAS come out to defend and help him. Wasn't she on Dr. Phil with him? For me, whether someone has a support group or not doesn't make their guilt or innocence. It isn't a popularity contest.

 

[giagreen]

BetteDavisEyes, thank you for clarifying. I appreciate and respect your opinion and I apologize for getting so defensive. I am frequently in the minority here because I tend to be more skeptical and less judgmental than most. It gets so bad at times that I don't always post and have considered leaving altogether.

Problem is I truly believe in the "cause" and this site is the best I have found so far. Perhaps that is why I get so defensive. I do not want this site to turn into an unreliable or tabloid-type source of information. It is for that reason that I need to see something really proven before I accept it as fact.

IMO in this case, that hasn't happened. There has been no proof of anything. I don't think we have even had any factual confirmation (from a legitimate medical person responsible for her care), of BK's condition as of yet however we can agree that it is grim, at best.

As for Mr. Gordon, I will wait until we have something more concrete before forming my opinion. I think we can agree that he has indulged in some pretty stupid behavior. Drugs, partying, meddling in financial affairs and things he shouldn't be meddling in? Sure, that's likely. An abuser, calculated murderer, manipulative user? Only time will tell.

Thank you. I agree with you all the way.
I've been reading along here and haven't posted because I just don't fit in with the judgemental ASSUMPTIONS that are being made about NG. I want to see facts and statements from LE before I go on and bash someone who very well may be innocent. If I wanted to make hateful comments based off of no actual facts I could just go on the comment section on a fb post about him.
We live in America where not only do we have freedom of speech but also the right to remain innocent till proven guilty. Lynching someone before we have actual facts is so wrong on so many levels and quite honestly naive.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I have no feelings or ideas on NG, so I haven't been saying anthing about it.

 

[bettybaby00]

Wasn't she recently flown to and from a specialist? Could this pic have been taken during transport?

Jimwas just listening to 1010 news and they said, the Houston family has banned/barred the Brown family--except BB--bc the hospice facility has PROOF that a Brown family member is Responsible for the pic that is allegedly being shopped to the tabloids.

So despicable!!!

ETA: I wasn't sure if this had been discussed has I haven't read all recent comments....

http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/06/bobbi-kristina-brown-family-banned-hospice-houstons-bobby-brown/

As far as NG goes, the only thing holding me back from believing he's guilty of something is the fact he hasn't been arrested and/or charged.

If he truly is involved I'm kinda dumbfounded that no charges have been filed. I mean this isn't a case of an assault/murder and the police have "no suspects."

Is it me, or should NG have already been charged if he is indeed involved?

 

[Emi]

Jimwas just listening to 1010 news and they said, the Houston family has banned/barred the Brown family--except BB--bc the hospice facility has PROOF that a Brown family member is Responsible for the pic that is allegedly being shopped to the tabloids.

So despicable!!!

ETA: I wasn't sure if this had been discussed has I haven't read all recent comments....

http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/06/bobbi-kristina-brown-family-banned-hospice-houstons-bobby-brown/

As far as NG goes, the only thing holding me back from believing he's guilty of something is the fact he hasn't been arrested and/or charged.

If he truly is involved I'm kinda dumbfounded that no charges have been filed. I mean this isn't a case of an assault/murder and the police have "no suspects."

Is it me, or should NG have already been charged if he is indeed involved?

Hey as far as Nick not being arrested is because an investigation is going on and because Bobbi Kristina is not dead yet. I believe he is 100% guilty

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[giagreen]

So why no domestic assault charges?

 

[Hiandmighty]

Can't they arrest him and upgrade charges later? She is grievously injured (if injured by him); do they have to wait until she dies? Wouldn't that make him a danger to society? Why is he free if he did something to her?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Last I read, the case has been turned over to the prosecutor for consideration. This was at the same time that the civil suit was filed. The burden of proof for a criminal case is higher than that of a civil proceeding. Perhaps there isn't enough evidence at this time to insure a conviction in a criminal trial. Perhaps when Bobbi Kristina passes and there's an autopsy, the COD will determine whether or not the alleged domestic assault caused the fatal injuries. At this time, I think the filing of the civil suit was a warning shot fired across the bow. Krissi's family is letting Nick Gordon know that they are going to hold him responsible if/when it's determined that her injuries resulted from domestic abuse. I think they are also letting him know that he cannot profit from photos, books, etc. that he might consider in the future. No way does Nick have the kind of money requested in the lawsuit. :moo:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Grief-stricken Bobby Brown arrives to see his daughter as prosecutors eye Nick Gordon for possible murder charges now that Bobbi Kristina is off life support

•Bobbi Kristina's dad Bobby Brown and aunt Pat Houston were seen en route to Peachtree Christian Hospice Hospice in Georgia on Thursday
•The Fulton County, Georgia District Attorney's office is 'reviewing the case with greater interest' because Bobbi Kristina is likely to soon die
•Announcement comes just a day after her family filed a $40million suit against Gordon, alleging he stole money from Bobbi and abused her
•Gordon tweeted on Wednesday to 'keep praying' for Bobbi, then later deleted his Twitter account
•She was found unconscious in a bathtub in January - just hours before she was allegedly set to meet a friend to reveal problems with Gordon
•Incident came three years after her mother Whitney Houston died in a bath

By Chris Spargo and Wills Robinson For Dailymail.com

Published: 09:58 EST, 25 June 2015 | Updated: 18:59 EST, 25 June 2015

Bobbi Kristina's partner Nick Gordon could soon become the focus of a fully fledged murder investigation now that the 22-year-old has been taken off life support and is likely to soon die.

Prosecutors in Fulton County Georgia told TMZ that 'in view of the new circumstances regarding the health status of Bobbi Kristina Brown, we will be reviewing the case with greater interest'.

At the same time, Gordon, 25, has been hit with a lawsuit from Bedelia Hargrove, Bobbi's court-appointed conservator, claiming he was physically abusive on multiple occasions and stole from her while she was in a coma...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gation-Bobbi-Kristina-taken-life-support.html

 

[bettybaby00]

Can't they arrest him and upgrade charges later? She is grievously injured (if injured by him); do they have to wait until she dies? Wouldn't that make him a danger to society? Why is he free if he did something to her?

BBM

They do it all the time. I get that they e been investigating the situation, but it's been 6 months and it's not as if they have no suspect(s).

It does seem that charges may be imminent though, and that's good to hear.

 

[shana]

Last I read, the case has been turned over to the prosecutor for consideration. This was at the same time that the civil suit was filed. The burden of proof for a criminal case is higher than that of a civil proceeding. Perhaps there isn't enough evidence at this time to insure a conviction in a criminal trial. Perhaps when Bobbi Kristina passes and there's an autopsy, the COD will determine whether or not the alleged domestic assault caused the fatal injuries. At this time, I think the filing of the civil suit was a warning shot fired across the bow. Krissi's family is letting Nick Gordon know that they are going to hold him responsible if/when it's determined that her injuries resulted from domestic abuse. I think they are also letting him know that he cannot profit from photos, books, etc. that he might consider in the future. No way does Nick have the kind of money requested in the lawsuit. :moo:

^^^This!

Right on target! And thank you again, BDE, for telling it like it is.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

Verifiable facts in this case are practically nil. Speculation based on the tonnage of tabloid or otherwise fodder is what we do here.

~jmo~

ETA: And of course the civil lawsuit brought by the financial Conservator, which is most telling in its content.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

^ In a civil suit, the defendant doesn't have the option of pleading the Fifth and must answer all questions. As of now, Nick Gordon has yet to meet with LE for a formal interview, nor has he answered the family's questions about what happened the night prior to Bobbi Kristina being found unconscious in the bathtub. The purpose of the civil suit is to get Nick under oath to find out exactly what happened leading up to BK's ending up in a permanent vegetative state.

Until criminal charges are filed (if that's ever going to happen), the civil suit is the family's only recourse to find out what happened to cause Krissi's seemingly fatal injuries. Bobbi Kristina has been receiving intensive medical care since January 31 and has likely had numerous lab tests that indicate what drugs might have been in her system. If BK overdosed as Nick suggests, that will be part of the discovery process, and we'll eventually know if it's true or not. For now, there's not much more we can do besides speculate about the little information that's known about the case. :moo:

 

[Irisha]

BBM - Well he had a strange way of showing it don't you think?

Interestingly enough how no one who personally knows him is coming to his defence...other then his lawyer. Even his own birth mother gave up on him years ago allowing WH to deal with her troubled son. Hmm. Time will tell and I don't think it's going to come as a surprise to many. We'll see. MOO.

I admit I haven't read every article,post. Do you have a link as to why Whitney took Nick in, that he was a troubled son?

But we do have this Alex Reid that BK met at a Grammy Show 2 yrs. ago( supposedly) who months later claims she has texts from BK about abuse.