Oscar Pistorius - Discussion Thread #67 *Appeal Verdict*

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Did anyone notice that the judge couldn't seem to say that the verdict had been changed to murder, and said something like it wasn't necessary to say it?
 
soozieqtips said:
Can someone please tell me if OP is now free for the next 4 months? No community service because he can't be monitored while doing it, so he now has less stringent conditions than before. He's free to do what he wants for 5 hours a day. Does that include drinking, partying and going down to the shooting range?
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That was really interesting. Although his original conditions of house arrest were never published, Kelly Phelps et al plus many lawyers said it was a harsh punishment - not that I could see it - but he previously had the same hours of freedom. In what universe is only being able to enjoy 5 hours of freedom a day considered harsh punishment. Oh, that's right. He did have to sacrifice 2 days a month doing community service.

Normal conditions of house arrest ... we were led to believe ... said no socialising outside the home, no lunches, parties, travel etc. It sounds to me like he can pretty well do as he likes.

I also thought it was interesting that the judge said he had to surrender his passport!!! What??? That should have been done long ago.

There's something very, very wrong with the SA judicial system.
 
So Roux has 15 days to file for leave to appeal to Const. Court. Who will decide if this is granted or not, the SCA? And when will they sit to decide this?
 
JudgeJudi said:
That was really interesting. Although his original conditions of house arrest were never published, Kelly Phelps et al plus many lawyers said it was a harsh punishment - not that I could see it - but he previously had the same hours of freedom. In what universe is only being able to enjoy 5 hours of freedom a day considered harsh punishment. Oh, that's right. He did have to sacrifice 2 days a month doing community service.

Normal conditions of house arrest ... we were led to believe ... said no socialising outside the home, no lunches, parties, travel etc. It sounds to me like he can pretty well do as he likes.

I also thought it was interesting that the judge said he had to surrender his passport!!! What??? That should have been done long ago.

There's something very, very wrong with the SA judicial system.
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I'm disgusted by the whole farce. The murderer is still getting preferential treatment from a judge who thinks confining him to a luxury mansion amounts to 'punishment'. Is OP ever actually going to go back to jail? I am seriously beginning to doubt it. So much for justice. It seems OP has got away with murder and will be forever free while appeals go back and forth. In the meantime, what about Reeva's family? No justice for them apparently. Just empty words that make no difference because the murderer is back on the streets.
 
JudgeJudi said:
For my fellow Aussies - Baden-Clay's murder conviction has been downgraded to manslaughter on appeal!!!
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It's an absolute travesty!
Curtis Pitt, Attorney General might appeal the downgrade of GBH conviction - crossing fingers.
 
I would like Nel to explain why he didn't oppose bail if only to understand why a convicted murderer has now been given over 4 months to roam the streets and be among the public. I would like to know why that is right. Has OP suddenly become a peaceful humble person? Has his vicious temper been replaced by an inner calm? How exactly has he changed from the manic nutcase who gunned down Reeva in a toilet? Where are the psychiatric reports that prove he's a changed person and is no longer a risk to innocent people?
 
Marfa Lights said:
In-efffing-explicable!
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My guess is they know that Roux will be appealing on the grounds that Pistorius was denied the right to a fair trial and are playing along so they don't give him any ammunition to further his argument. They are playing the long game now and they can well afford to too IMO. The SCA judgement was strong and the will be asking for the longest possible sentence when the time comes. That will be their main consideration and they won't be too anxious about what happens in the meantime. Nel even mentioned today that they don't see Pistorius has any chance of successfully appealing to the CC but acknowledged he still has the right.

It's disappointing to see the smug murderer smirking and not be incarcerated like the common murderer he is but none of this should detract from the fact he is going back to prison and the NPA's job is to ensure that they do everything to ensure that is for as long as possible. If the conditions were too stringent Roux would argue that the time spent on bail amounted to a punishment and should be deducted from whatever prison time he is sentenced to. This chimes with what the presiding judge said when he was minded no to confine him to the house as it seemed like a "punishment".

Chillax folks. It simply means he will do more prison time eventually and every day that passes Oscar is a step closer to his rightful place.

Off topic: I do believe having watched his conduct this morning that, irrespective of the findings of Weskoppies, he is an out and out sociopath! There is definitely something of the night about that young man.
 
Paul Connelly said:
My guess is they know that Roux will be appealing on the grounds that Pistorius was denied the right to a fair trial and are playing along so they don't give him any ammunition to further his argument. They are playing the long game now and they can well afford to too IMO. The SCA judgement was strong and the will be asking for the longest possible sentence when the time comes. That will be their main consideration and they won't be too anxious about what happens in the meantime. Nel even mentioned today that they don't see Pistorius has any chance of successfully appealing to the CC but acknowledged he still has the right.

It's disappointing to see the smug murderer smirking and not be incarcerated like the common murderer he is but none of this should detract from the fact he is going back to prison and the NPA's job is to ensure that they do everything to ensure that is for as long as possible. If the conditions were too stringent Roux would argue that the time spent on bail amounted to a punishment and should be deducted from whatever prison time he is sentenced to. This chimes with what the presiding judge said when he was minded no to confine him to the house as it seemed like a "punishment".

Chillax folks. It simply means he will do more prison time eventually and every day that passes Oscar is a step closer to his rightful place.

Off topic: I do believe having watched his conduct this morning that, irrespective of the findings of Weskoppies, he is an out and out sociopath! There is definitely something of the night about that young man.
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Thanks, Paul. Excellent counsel. What do I owe you?
 
Oscar Pistorius is broke and needs 10,000 Rand by Friday to make bail. Time for him to start a Go Fund Me page.
 
Colin de France said:
....because he's useless and completely overrated.......can't deny the obvious....
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4 days ago David dadic tweeted that he'd be surprised if Nel opposed bail. Maybe it's a South African thing?

Is OP wearing a hair piece

Edited to add : or, after seeing PC's post above - maybe all the SA legal types are aware of the need to play the long game
 
Marfa Lights said:
Thanks, Paul. Excellent counsel. What do I owe you?
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Nothing, just continue to spread the word. Lol The reaction this morning just shows how much damage Judge Masipa has done to the reputation of the South African judiciary. We know from how Justice Leach and his fellow Judges redeemed her mistakes that it is not all bad and we need to resist the urge to think we are back to square one. His goose is cooked and he is now clutching at whatever straws he can. Nel will be more than happy to hand them out on the way to his prison cell.
 
mhiforme said:
I can understand why LemonMousse was so desperate to have Advocate Kenny Oldwage represent Oscar and not Roux.

Roux is a master. From the
moment he walked into the courtroom, he was in control. He knew exactly what he wanted, he explained it clearly to the judge and he even had the judge believe that house arrest at the mansion was a form of imprisonment and thus to harsh. Classic.

Well Oscar, the road ahead of you is long and arduous but vindication for you lies at the foot of the Constitutional Court in 2016. Godspeed.
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Yes, Roux's forum of choice is definitely the unsophisticated audience. On the other hand, I felt that he was flustered and out of his depth before the judicial gravitas of the SCA. So much so, in fact, that I almost began to feel sorry for him. Godspeed or not, I suspect that this is merely a temporary reprieve: He'll struggle before the Constitutional Court - if, of course, he manages to get a hearing there.
 
Colin de France said:
....because he's useless and completely overrated.......can't deny the obvious....
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Begining to wonder about Nel myself to be truthful! Not useless or overrated at all but disappointed he seemed confused and to lack authority and confidence when I expected more from him today.

I was going to say, "I expected him to come out with all guns blazing", but seems inappropriate in light of OP doing exactly that and murdering Reeva Steenkamp.
 
soozieqtips said:
I would like Nel to explain why he didn't oppose bail if only to understand why a convicted murderer has now been given over 4 months to roam the streets and be among the public. I would like to know why that is right. Has OP suddenly become a peaceful humble person? Has his vicious temper been replaced by an inner calm? How exactly has he changed from the manic nutcase who gunned down Reeva in a toilet? Where are the psychiatric reports that prove he's a changed person and is no longer a risk to innocent people?
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How many times have I asked that exact same question and to date, not one reply. Someone must know!
 
So I guess that the next 4 months will be all about OP not shooting dogs in front of their owners, trying not to gun down women who irritate him, and perhaps being seen to help old ladies across the road (rather than running them over or shooting them dead) and maybe a few more pics of smiling kiddies on knees to show how great he is with children.
 
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