GUILTY IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 #4

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Boodles said:
He couldn't answer because he didn't want to. The PC document is intended to convince a judge that LE has sufficient evidence to support the issuance of an arrest warrant. LE does not want to let on any more details than benefits themselves as they conduct their investigation. Oh, you can bet they know mucho more that what was published in the PC document! But granted, additional info, such as DNA results, continues to trickle in. In my experience, they don't share very much with the public unless/until there is a trial.
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I was just about to write almost the same thing. They have said all they are going to said. They don't want to make any mistakes a Defense attorney can run with.

Loose Lips Sink Ships!
 
mom2six said:
There seems to be unexplained time spent at the scene, in this crime. Maybe they did retrieve the casings? There were three shots fired, so not so many casings to collect. Your point about the casings being in weird places is a good one. The family did also have a professional cleaning crew come in after the initial release of the scene on day one and before investigators returned on day two. I hope the cleaners were interviewed on whether they happened to find any casings.
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I'd be surprised if LT spent time searching for the casings. IMO, he was in a big hurry to get out of the house after the shooting. That's why he was seen walking on the neighboring street talking loudly on the phone, looking for his ride. The others didn't even want to go back to pick him up, and they sure weren't going to wait around for him to find the casings.

As for the cleaning crew, by the time they came in I'm confident LE had gone over the crime scene with a fine tooth comb.

JMO
 
bessie said:
As for the cleaning crew, by the time they came in I'm confident LE had gone over the crime scene with a fine tooth comb.

JMO
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RSBM. It doesn't appear that is the case, since the molding with the bullet in it was recovered the second day.
 
mom2six said:
RSBM. It doesn't appear that is the case, since the molding with the bullet in it was recovered the second day.
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What they missed the first day was a bullet hole in the base of the stairwell. The bullet had to be recovered from under the stairs. That's different than overlooking something as obvious as a casing lying around on the floor. Apparently, when the examination revealed an exit wound, they knew a bullet had to be somewhere in the house, so they returned to find it.
 
Significance of the casings is fingerprints and as an indicator as to what kind of gun was used, right ?

Am I missing anything else that it might be used for ?

I think if there is ANY DNA from these perpetrators in the house, that is just as significant as casings with prints. I still think that cell phone records and making transaction with her atm card is convincing evidence that they were at the residence. I don't see lawyers having a tough time convincing the jury they were there and committed the murder, even if the gun is never found. (or the casings)

I don't know whether the house could have been properly processed in a day or not, as I have no idea what the actual crime scene looked like and how much there was to process. But if they did process it all in the time noted, then cleaning the house the next day might be rather standard. Anyone know about this ?

Although I do get that they might have not known about the bullet going through here until later, it does make me wonder how thorough they could have been to miss a bullet hole in the area we'd assume the body was laying. If there are no casings, then they would likely be searching for bullet holes as you want to determine how many shots were fired. Bullets in body + Bullets in house = shots fired.

But regardless of all this, I have to believe that the police gave clearance for the cleaning in a standard way. I also find it plausible for anyone in that situation would want the house cleaned as quickly as possible, rather than having a bloody mess that only serves as a reminder. Should they have waited ? Or is the contention here that law enforcement was incompetent ?
 
The bullet casing question is important because it is the reason given in the probable cause that the weapon was a revolver. That excludes all non revolvers of the same caliber. A gun was given to LE from under the bed at ABull's house, but it is excluded because it is a revolver. LT is posted with a revolver on FB, so that increases circumstantial evidence as the shooter. BUT, if the weapon was misconstrued, the actual weapon could go unknown and there might be much to learn from the weapon (prints, ties to other crimes....) I'm not going one way or the other with the competency of IMPD. I am neither going to assume they did an excellent job at the scene, not that they blew it. I think the truth lies in the middle.
 
Mom2six: did you mean excluded because it's NOT a revolver?

A gun was given to LE from under the bed at ABull's house, but it is excluded because it is a revolver.
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Case No. 49G05-1512-F1-044923

Charges: TAYLOR, LARRY JO, Jr.

1. 35-42-4-1(a)(1)/F1: Rape Rape when compelled by force or imminent threat of force and with an enhanci

2. 35-42-4-1(a)(1)/F1: Rape Rape when compelled by force or imminent threat of force and with an enhanci

3. 35-42-4-1(a)(1)/F1: Rape Rape when compelled by force or imminent threat of force and with an enhanci

4. 35-43-2-1/F2: Burglary with a deadly weapon.

5. 35-43-4-2(a)/F6: Theft where value of property is between $750 & $50k.

6. 35-42-5-1(2)/F3: Robbery Taking property by putting someone in fear while armed with a deadly

7. 35-42-3-3(a)/F3: Criminal Confinement while armed with a deadly weapon.

8. 35-43-4-2.5(b)(1)/F6: Auto Theft where intent is to deprive owner of value or use of vehicle (stole

https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=22349821
Case No. 49G05-1512-F2-044927

Charges: WATSON, JALEN EMMANUEL

1. 35-43-2-1/F2: Burglary with a deadly weapon.

2. 35-43-4-2(a)/F6: Theft where value of property is between $750 & $50k.

3. 35-42-5-1(1)/F3: Robbery Taking property by force or threatening the use of force while armed

4. 35-42-3-3(a)/F3: Criminal Confinement while armed with a deadly weapon.

5. 35-43-4-2.5(b)(1)/F6: Auto Theft where intent is to deprive owner of value or use of vehicle (stole

https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=22349913
 
MaxManning said:
Significance of the casings is fingerprints and as an indicator as to what kind of gun was used, right ?

Am I missing anything else that it might be used for ?

I think if there is ANY DNA from these perpetrators in the house, that is just as significant as casings with prints. I still think that cell phone records and making transaction with her atm card is convincing evidence that they were at the residence. I don't see lawyers having a tough time convincing the jury they were there and committed the murder, even if the gun is never found. (or the casings)

I don't know whether the house could have been properly processed in a day or not, as I have no idea what the actual crime scene looked like and how much there was to process. But if they did process it all in the time noted, then cleaning the house the next day might be rather standard. Anyone know about this ?

Although I do get that they might have not known about the bullet going through here until later, it does make me wonder how thorough they could have been to miss a bullet hole in the area we'd assume the body was laying. If there are no casings, then they would likely be searching for bullet holes as you want to determine how many shots were fired. Bullets in body + Bullets in house = shots fired.

But regardless of all this, I have to believe that the police gave clearance for the cleaning in a standard way. I also find it plausible for anyone in that situation would want the house cleaned as quickly as possible, rather than having a bloody mess that only serves as a reminder. Should they have waited ? Or is the contention here that law enforcement was incompetent ?
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Processing a crime scene can take hours or days, depending on the circumstances. In this case, there was no body to process at the scene, and the processing began in the early in the day after a search warrant was obtained. If I recall correctly, news video showed crime lab vehicles at the house after nightfall. So, say the processing time was 8-10 hours. That's not unusual, nor an indication that procedures weren't carried out correctly. It's also not unusual for investigators to return to a scene to search for additional evidence as a case unfolds and new details come to light.

As for calling in the cleaning service, I know some have remarked that it was done too soon. I disagree. A bloody crime scene is a bio-hazard, and cleaning should occur as quickly as possible. Once the crime lab specialists go through and photograph and video record the scene, take swabs, and collect evidence, there's no reason to leave biological material exposed.

With regard to the bullet hole, in a perfect world, one could say it should have been found. But the bottom of a stairwell is a good place to miss a bullet hole, particularly if the hole was near the top of the riser hidden by the overhanging nosing of the bottom tread where one would have to almost get down on the floor to see it.

Do we know AB was lying at the bottom of the stairs? You're not the first one to say that, and I'm not sure why. Did that notion come about because the bullet went through the base of the stairwell? The bullet could have traveled from across the room. And how would they have known she was lying down when she was shot? Without the body present, I don't think they could have known immediately. Nevertheless, they should have checked along walls and baseboards, which they probably did. But as I said, that bullet hole could have been obscured. I'm not making excuses for anyone, only trying to point out what's reasonable. I think that once they obtained information from the physical exam, and reviewed the video and photographs, they were able to put the picture together and determine where that bullet might have landed.

JMO
 
A couple of items to note, the address given for JW is two miles by foot south of the location where the car was ditched. If they didn't want to walk two miles, there's a bus that runs south on N. Illinois. I found that of interest, recalling the discussion of why they chose that spot to leave the car.

LT's address is about a mile from the intersection where he was dropped off.

Both are within five miles of Sunnyfield Ct.

DG's address is a half mile from the apartment complex where the Nov. 3 rape and robbery took place. So far, he's not been charged in that crime.
 
bessie said:
Case No. 49G05-1512-F1-044923

Charges: TAYLOR, LARRY JO, Jr.

1. 35-42-4-1(a)(1)/F1: Rape Rape when compelled by force or imminent threat of force and with an enhanci

2. 35-42-4-1(a)(1)/F1: Rape Rape when compelled by force or imminent threat of force and with an enhanci

3. 35-42-4-1(a)(1)/F1: Rape Rape when compelled by force or imminent threat of force and with an enhanci

4. 35-43-2-1/F2: Burglary with a deadly weapon.

5. 35-43-4-2(a)/F6: Theft where value of property is between $750 & $50k.

6. 35-42-5-1(2)/F3: Robbery Taking property by putting someone in fear while armed with a deadly

7. 35-42-3-3(a)/F3: Criminal Confinement while armed with a deadly weapon.

8. 35-43-4-2.5(b)(1)/F6: Auto Theft where intent is to deprive owner of value or use of vehicle (stole

https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=22349821
Case No. 49G05-1512-F2-044927

Charges: WATSON, JALEN EMMANUEL

1. 35-43-2-1/F2: Burglary with a deadly weapon.

2. 35-43-4-2(a)/F6: Theft where value of property is between $750 & $50k.

3. 35-42-5-1(1)/F3: Robbery Taking property by force or threatening the use of force while armed

4. 35-42-3-3(a)/F3: Criminal Confinement while armed with a deadly weapon.

5. 35-43-4-2.5(b)(1)/F6: Auto Theft where intent is to deprive owner of value or use of vehicle (stole

https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=22349913
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Thank you for finding and posting, Bessie. Interesting that it is LT charged with the rape.
 
Just like to note re the Cleaning Crew - all we know is, the van was in the driveway.

We don't know if they were let in or the scene released by Police.

Are Davey and Weston back in the home?
 
Boodles said:
http://www.wthr.com/story/30787132/suspects-in-blackburn-murder-charged-in-november-3-rape-burglary

INDIANAPOLIS -Two suspects in the murder of a pregnant Indianapolis mother have been charged in a different rape and burglary.
Larry Jo Taylor Jr. and Jalen Watson have been charged for their alleged roles in a burglary and rape of a woman November 3 at her west side apartment.
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This was both distressing and enlightening to read. Distressing because it depicts what poor Amanda must have endured. Enlightening because it clues us in a little more on just how ruthless they are. Thank goodness they're stupid, as well as mean. They left behind fingerprints, DNA, and dumped the car within walking distance of LT's residence. Can't get much dumber than that.
 
It's to bad they didn't get caught before they escalated into murder.
 
pappa rob said:
It's to bad they didn't get caught before they escalated into murder.
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Ain't that the truth! Now I'm wondering if they were responsible for another murder.

According to this new affidavit, Detective T was following up on a homicide investigation which led him to two individuals (wonder who that might be), who turned over a black ski mask LT left at their apartment on November 10. These people also gave him the address where a laptop could be found. Thinking the laptop might be related to AB's murder, Detective T contacted Detective L, who then went to the address and questioned the occupant. There, he recovered the laptop and more stolen items. The occupant told him that JW and LT dropped off the property some time prior to November 10. It turned out that the stolen property was taken from the rape victim.

So my question is, what homicide was Detective T investigating that led him to take statements from the two individuals? Why did the people turn over a ski mask from LT? And why give up an address where a laptop stolen by JW and LT was located? Why talk about LT and JW at all? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it sounds like they might be suspects in a separate homicide.
 
bessie said:
Ain't that the truth! Now I'm wondering if they were responsible for another murder.

According to this new affidavit, Detective T was following up on a homicide investigation which led him to two individuals (wonder who that might be), who turned over a black ski mask LT left at their apartment on November 10. These people also gave him the address where a laptop could be found. Thinking the laptop might be related to AB's murder, Detective T contacted Detective L, who then went to the address and questioned the occupant. There, he recovered the laptop and more stolen items. The occupant told him that JW and LT dropped off the property some time prior to November 10. It turned out that the stolen property was taken from the rape victim.

So my question is, what homicide was Detective T investigating that led him to take statements from the two individuals? Why did the people turn over a ski mask from LT? And why give up an address where a laptop stolen by JW and LT was located? Why talk about LT and JW at all? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it sounds like they might be suspects in a separate homicide.
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If they were involved in another homicide, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. In looking at the crime map, they should have been investigating the other multiple robberies all in a 5 mile radius that I saw as potentially related to these guys. Back in June there were 3 robberies on the same day in succession, less than a half mile southwest of blackburns. Then a month later a rape.
 
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