Phone Calls and Phone Records

They simply could have been mistaken, seems everyone was confused with dates and times. I think we should go by TH's own timeline. She was setting up her appointments that day. She told him two o'clock or even a little later.

but that was before she couldn't find the Zimmerer's residence, right? My question is, did she continue to look and find the place, or did she wait until later and go back after she went to SA's. JZ sure didn't help the timeline at all LOL
 
Maybe that message was a conflict in her own story. Did they ever retrieve the message as they did with SA. Maybe that's what the Zipperer's planned to say, as in she was lost and never arrived? I still can not find the calls to where shes actually calling them to set up a time and another call where she left said message. Only one known call at 2:12pm. The her being lost came from testimony from JoZ.
 
I could be wrong Mystic, but the Zipperer appt. may have been scheduled before that day, or it was a rescheduled appointment.
 
I could be wrong Mystic, but the Zipperer appt. may have been scheduled before that day, or it was a rescheduled appointment.

Yes I am not 100% sure exactly when that came in, One Says it came in later on the 31st. the other says she faxed it early that day with no other appointments on it, even though she had that Reshoot she faxed into the office at 12:13 or 18 about that reshoot. Which would have been CS/SS. remember not one time that day did she actually meet the person calling in making the appointment.

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copying part of my post over from the other thread to try to keep the phone call info in here....


The 2:41 call... I have looked everywhere, I can't find anything!!!!! Kratz says in the BD closing arguments that it was her "last call". The defense argues in the SA trial that it is the last phone call on record to show a cell site location, Buting doesn't say it's incoming or outgoing, but apparently on her bill, if it was outgoing it showed the number she dialed, if it was incoming, it didn't show the number at all, (according to the testimony) so I'm leaning towards it being an incoming call. I'm thinking they don't know who that call came from.

MysticJynx.... I can't believe that there is no information about this call, not who it is from, who it was too.... just shows how little they investigated after they knew SA was involved.
 
I believe in the phone testimony also, they mention they did not have records of incoming calls through Cingular unless they too were Cingular users. So how come the one that one that Det. MW gets in the beginning from RH has some incoming calls listed, Like the one from Auto Trader, Unless she really did call Auto T. and those were all her outgoing calls only?

Should that piece of paper Det MW received, be in the records, would it have been added as evidence?
 
I know that some of the calls were identified by just cross referencing them, like SA dialing out, the call coming through to TH's phone.

I'm just surprised that we can't find and there is no mention in the trial's about that call *sigh*
 
Where was TH at 2:41pm?

What happened to TH after 2:41pm?

Her phone stopped pinging to a cell tower after 2:41pm.

What happened to TH's phone to cause it to not ping to a cell tower?

Who last saw TH (and verified it was her)?
 
Where was TH at 2:41pm?

What happened to TH after 2:41pm?

Her phone stopped pinging to a cell tower after 2:41pm.

What happened to TH's phone to cause it to not ping to a cell tower?

Who last saw TH (and verified it was her)?

1. I'm guessing TH was either with her previous client or driving somewhere as the bus driver saw her at 3:40 pm

2. No one really knows what happened to TH after 2:41 pm

3. No, her phone stopped pinging at 4:35 pm - it might have been working between 2:41 and 4:34 pm

4. No one knows what happened to TH's cell phone - dead battery/disabled/destroyed

5. Steven Avery was the last one to see her unless the bus driver saw her right before she left the Avery property and after she concluded
business with SA
 
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Ok...found this on another website--take it for what it is....It appears to be the phone calls from SA's phone. It shows that he called TH's phone at 2:41pm, so there is actually 4 phone calls he makes to her, 3 from his cell and 1 from the Janda's.

11:43 am (from Janda's)
02:24 pm (from SA's cell phone *67)
02:41 pm (from SA's cell phone *67)
04:35 pm (from SA's cell phone NO *67)

She talks to her office from 2:27:16 until 2:32:01 (4:45 minutes) He calls at 2:35--she lets it go to voice mail (hence, the CFNA)...call forwarded to voice mail at 2:41pm on her records. His phone records show the call was not answered. He left a 1:20 minute phone call. Was that phone call on her VM when her family listened to the message is what I want to know!! If it was not---then SA, deleted the voice mails.

At 4:35pm he calls her phone call, this time not using *67, I presume to locate the phone. His phone records show the call was answered and then disconnected.

So here is my question--we don't have her call history from 11/2/05--so I want to know--IF he took out the SIM card from her phone, it would not register a call on her carrier--but if he placed HIS sim card in her phone to delete the message--would it register on HIS carrier?

His phone records can be found at this link:
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CFNA doesn't mean she let it go to voicemail. It means she purposely typed a code that would forward calls to voicemail.

Where are you getting that he called her at 2:41? I was under the impression that was someone else?
 
Lets go way back, back to the beginning of her being reported missing. Was Cpl L who asked for assitance from Det MW. The first of information she gave to MW was that she had already called AS at Auto T. and got the names of her three appointments from Oct 31. Those names at the time were C. Sip., B. Jan., and G. Zip. First thing MW did was get a hold of C. Sip, C. Sip told him he made the appointment but who handle it was S. Schm. Det. MW then calls S. Schm. who told him yes TH called him about 1:10pm that afternoon and arrived sometime between 1:30 and 1:45pm. TH took pictures of the car he and C.Sip. were selling, He wrote her a check and off she went north on county highway A.

So he already knows the three appointment names from Auto T. when Det MW arrives at TH's address. He meets with roommate SB who says he saw her last on Oct 30 about 2pm. He remembers that on Tuesday Nov 1 her truck was no where to be found. (found this to be a weird statement, since she still wasn't reported missing for 2 more days.) He meets with Teresa's Parents KH and TH, they do not offer to much detail, just that its not in her character to just disappear like this. They get permission from the Roommate SB and her parents to go into TH's bedroom, and remove a few items. Things they remove was her PERSONAL JOURNAL, Some of hair from her hair brush and a picture of her.

While at her home taking statements from the roommate and parents, TH's Friends show up with a printed out copy of TH's phone bill from the Cingular Website. This is where the and how the investigation gets pointed at STEVEN AVERY! Who ever printed out the phone records and did the search for who they were and wrote them on the paper for MW to see. And I do believe the info on reverse directory names for the numbers were done by her FRIEND, RH. Would love to see this piece of paper that was printed by said friends. Not only was it missing phone calls it had the wrong name for one of the Reverse Directory numbers. The bill they give the Detective in the beginning. the one he is starting his investigation on was faulty. For one it said the last call on her phone that day was 2:27pm. Who ever gave her this bill left off the call that was not blocked by steven avery at 4:35pm. The only reason I can explain that is because the person printing the bill knew had he printed out that call it would have printed the mysterious call of 2:41pm the CFNA feature was used. Why would the friends leave off the last of her calls, those seemed rather important to trace her steps. So since SA's call at 4:35pm was not on this copy of the bill there was no way to connect Steven Avery by name. Detective MW at this time was only given the names from AS from Auto T. Which were C. Sip which equals S Schm. since he already made this call. So when he sees that S Schm. is one of the numbers that was on her bill, he knows that was one of her appointments. He sees the name G. Zip. Who was also a name given by Auto T. so he knows he should probably check out that residence. However the call at 11:43 on that bill given to him by TH's Friend RH, reflected B. Jan.'s phone number but who ever did the reverse directory look up prior to giving Det MW this copy of the bill, put down that this number belonged to none other than STEVEN AVERY. We all know now seeing her records including the states summary that the number belonged to B. Janda and TH did indeed leave a message there.

However now when Det. MW is wrapping up this meeting at TH's house, he calls over to Manitowoc Co. Sheriff Dept. and gets Sgt Colborn. MW asks AC to check out two residences G.Zip and S Avery. Colborn offers only to go to S. Averys. It is not until after Sgt AC calls Det. MW back that he is told that B.Janda was who set up the appointment at the Avery Property.

So here they are sending someone over to the Avery lot before they even know Avery = Janda's appointment. The only way for that to happen is the person who told Det. MW that the call at BJandas that morning was STEVEN AVERY!

That is who we should be looking at the one who printed that bill that was used in the start, to mislead investigators over to STEVEN Avery, not just the Avery yard via B. Janda.

JMO
 
CFNA doesn't mean she let it go to voicemail. It means she purposely typed a code that would forward calls to voicemail.

Where are you getting that he called her at 2:41? I was under the impression that was someone else?

His records show he called her at 2:35 and it was not answered--her phone didn't register the call until 2:41pm

I'll find the website that I found that states that if a call is forwarded to VM--then it records it as CFNA.

I presume she was in between towers--(which we know her phone switched towers around that time) that the VM didn't register until the new tower picked up her phone at 2:41pm.
 
His calls to her are 2:24, 2:35, 4:35.

The 2:41 call is a complete unknown (to us).
 
His records show he called her at 2:35 and it was not answered--her phone didn't register the call until 2:41pm

I'll find the website that I found that states that if a call is forwarded to VM--then it records it as CFNA.


Then why was this 2:41 call not given to the detective early on. I believe that call made at 2:35pm was never connected to her phone so it did not register. The Call at 2:41 was someone else. And in order to give Cops the phone bill with that 4:35 number actually pointing to Steven Avery was not listed on the first of the investigations bill Detectives received from her friend RH. They were working with a phone bill that said TH's last phone call that day was 2:27pm. Why would someone mislead investigators unless they themselves were hiding something.
 
Using Call Forward No Answer with Voice Mail
When you subscribe to Voice Mail, the Call Forward No Answer feature is automatically set to forward to your mailbox. If you use the Call Forward No Answer feature to forward your calls to a different number (instead of going to your mailbox), your calls will go to the number you specify.

To change Call Forward Busy back to forward to your mailbox:


  1. Press *92#.
  2. Enter three zeros (000) followed by your 7-digit wireless number. (If you have Combined Voice Mail, enter two zeros and a one (001) instead of three zeros.)
  3. Press Send. You'll hear a confirmation tone.
http://support.sasktel.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/11036/~/using-wireless-call-forward-no-answer
 
Then why was this 2:41 call not given to the detective early on. I believe that call made at 2:35pm was never connected to her phone so it did not register. The Call at 2:41 was someone else. And in order to give Cops the phone bill with that 4:35 number actually pointing to Steven Avery was not listed on the first of the investigations bill Detectives received from her friend RH. They were working with a phone bill that said TH's last phone call that day was 2:27pm. Why would someone mislead investigators unless they themselves were hiding something.

NO--NO look at HIS phone records.....
Line # 92... 10/31/2005 14:35|10/31/2005 14:35|Not Answered|1 920 (blocked out) | *6792073 | 1 920 737 | 1 MTL | 1822| 1822|3701| GBayCell370x|9999 | 3701 | 9999 | GbayAppl | 0 | 418 | 195 | no answer (Calling party|

Look at the call at 2:24pm...it is identical!!!!
 
My thoughts on the bill ....

2:41 was an incoming call, her bill did not show incoming numbers, it only showed numbers she dialed out. So that is why the 4:35 number was also not mentioned... or any subsequent calls because they didn't have the numbers on the bill, they were only cross-referencing the last numbers she dialed (because they were on her phone) I would think it would still be something that is pretty important to tell LE that her last incoming call was at 2:41.

Her FRIEND saying that is was STEVEN AVERY when it was actually B.Janda.... that I don't know how to explain LOL If it was AutoTrader that told them she was actually meeting STEVEN AVERY, then that would mean that they lied somewhere along the way, wouldn't it? I guess TH did tell them during that 2:27 call that "it was actually the Avery brothers"(I still don't know how she knew this if she hadn't been there yet) <<<< but that still doesn't say STEVEN AVERY.
 
HIS records do not SHOW a 2:41 call. It wouldn't just show up 6 minutes later on her records if it was the 2:35 call.

Unless her phone didn't pick it up until she reached the next tower....which her phone records show a switch between towers at that point!!!
 

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