She may be a goddess, but no one ever said she smells like one.Fitting company for one who even smells like a goddess, then.
She may be a goddess, but no one ever said she smells like one.Fitting company for one who even smells like a goddess, then.
I can't see her telling him she was planning a murder, or had committed one. He already considered her mentally unstable, and that would only have confirmed it, and driven him further away, and I think she would know that.
I think later on, when the truth came out that she had killed him, she sold the abuse story to him hard, and knew well how to do that with him in particular, which is how she got his cooperation with the pedo letters, but telling him, or anyone else, before she absolutely had to, would never serve her purpose.
She may be a goddess, but no one ever said she smells like one.
I can see red faces and thought bubbles that say "Yeah, if Goddesses smell like used dishwater."No one else but her did, but that's exactly what she said to her fellow Purple Plummers before she went off to crawl in the lap of a dishwasher.
I can see red faces and thought bubbles that say "Yeah, if Goddesses smell like used dishwater."
I don't see any evidence that she got or needed any help in the earlier stages, up to the point that she had been in jail for two years. Once she settled on the abuse and pedo stories she needed help, and IMO that's when she roped Matt in and turned him to her side.I don't think she told him on June 3 that she was on her way to kill him. But I think she asked for his help in some way that would make him worry afterwards about having been an accomplice.
And I kinda guess that Matt was the first person she pitched a self defense to...like, omg, Matt, you'll never believe what just happened and what he forced me to do.
But....JMO, and open to being persuaded otherwise.
I loved your description. Did I lose track of a bouncing ball, though? Not sure what you mean about me thinking what you said was irrelevant?
I was responding about the trial video link someone had posted, which was exactly what I was about to go in search of for another thought, watched a section of it and ....up popped that statement by her that they did not make a sex video that day.
JM wrote in his book that they had made a video, which is.....puzzling.
The link to this part of cross was posted in the other thread a bit ago, I guess? Thought it was here.
In any case, Day 25, 1 of 3 by David Lohr, JM on cross about June 4 sequence, at 22:03:
She admits that they did NOT make a video that day.
In his book though JM says they did. Eh??? She said no, JM!!!
I don't see any evidence that she got or needed any help in the earlier stages, up to the point that she had been in jail for two years. Once she settled on the abuse and pedo stories she needed help, and IMO that's when she roped Matt in and turned him to her side.
There was no way to turn Matt into an accomplice by simply spilling the beans to him. All that would do would send him into the nearest police station and confirm every thought he ever had about her mental instability. Just because she was with him just before and called him just after doesn't mean he was party to what really was on her mind. No one was, and no one really could be. She played roles with everyone, and the roles she played closely surrounding the event were just as contrived and convincing as any other roles she played. Her truth was for herself alone, and she did not consider anyone else worthy or even capable of sharing in it. All of her relationships were by the proxy of the roles she played, and those roles were always blameless and pristine, and could not thrive in the atmosphere of a murder. She alone could accept and deal with that.
In Chapter 7 JM discusses the taped interview with Flores. Jodi tells Flores they had made a video in addition to the pics from that day.
"We also made a video that day and we deleted it".
Flores: "on that camera?"
Jodi "on his camera" Arias confirmed
Flores then tells her videos are harder to recover than pictures
Day 24, 3 of 3, 16:15-17:05.
JM on cross, asks her whether or not she told Samuels one of the sex pics was of actual intercourse.
She says-- painful minutes summarized, he must be mistaken, that was about the video we took. I couldn't figure out the timer on the camera.
Referring to my post from yesterday, the next day the camera is discussed again and she's having to admit she wasn't familiar with it, which is when JM asks- so you couldn't figure out how to make a video, right? And she replies -- right.
I know. I think it's just one more lie she couldn't keep track of..
How would she have roped him in enough after the fact to the degree he was willing to forge letters and commit perjury for her in a murder trial? Especially if, as you believe, he would be willing to go to the police if he became convinced she was dangerously mentally unstable?
My mind is still open as to whether or not she told him afterwards, but I think you underestimate her ability to manipulate people to do her will, and to scramble their brains.
She called Matt the first moment she turned her phone back on. Why in your opinion was that more important to her than trying to repair her alibi ASAP with Ryan Burns?
Why do you think she felt the need to lie about the amount of time she spent with Matt on the June 2, and what they did?
PS. What could be more thrilling to the demented power freak she was than to have Matt unwittedly serve as an accomplice of some sort, then to share that secret of a murder he felt too connected to and guilty about to tell anyone about?
In Chapter 7 JM discusses the taped interview with Flores. Jodi tells Flores they had made a video in addition to the pics from that day.
"We also made a video that day and we deleted it".
Flores: "on that camera?"
Jodi "on his camera" Arias confirmed
Flores then tells her videos are harder to recover than pictures
Manipulation isn't just the ability to get people to do things for you against their own best interests, it involves accurately assessing the persons own psychology and changing your own behavior and molding yourself into someone the person can innately trust and then pushing their boundaries beyond where they would normally go but always acting as a reassuring foundation of trust that they can repeatedly refer back to to reassure themselves that they are doing the right thing when they inevitably begin to question their own behavior.
Matt was already aware that Jodi was mentally unstable. The worst thing she could do would be to say, "actually, I'm a murderer". This would make the above image of trust untenable and preclude any form of manipulation.
As far as why she called Matt right away, my theory is that not only does she play roles with others continuously, she seeks self-assurance through the successful performance of those roles. She knew that Matt considered her mentally unstable, and she had just committed a murder. If she could convince Matt that she was fine, normal, mentally stable, she would feel more that way herself, through the role she was playing for Matt.
As far as bringing Matt over to her side at trial, it's a lot easier to manipulate someone when you're the victim than when you're the aggressor. Once she came up with the pedo/abuse story she was playing the victim for everyone. All she had to do with Matt was make it personal, make them a team, make him the hero rescuing the damsel in distress. He broke the law by being a noble knight in shining armor.
I'm not familiar with how she twisted the June 2 time with Matt, can you fill me in?
Sorry, see the rest of the post. Phone typing sucks.
This time it would seem JM lost track of one the truths he managed to get her to spit out.
It matters, at least for those who don't believe sex pics were taken that day, much less a video.
ETA....IMO she told Samuels they had intercourse to double down on trashing Travis, but forgot the pics didn't show that. She could and did say anything she wanted to about a video that was deleted and unrecoverable.
He wouldn't feel guilty (why should he?) he would feel creeped out, and run to the police.
I think the confusion is that she said both. They made a video, and that she didn't know how to make a video, so they didn't make a video.
As to not knowing how, she specifically refers to not getting the timer right.
I think it's reasonable to assume that some video footage was shot, but it wasn't what they wanted, it was somewhat uncontrolled, inadvertent, and haphazard.
This covers both statements. "We shot a video." and "I didn't know how to shoot a video."