OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #11

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To me the thing that stands out about this crime is the number of houses visited that night. If this was all over drugs then I feel only CR1's or KR's house would have been targeted and the only way DR and the kids would have been involved is if they were there at the time. I cannot see any drug dealers/cartels bringing that much heat down on themselves over a few hundred pot plants or going door to door hunting people down. Yes, whole families are killed over drugs but that is usually because the family was in the house at the time with the primary target. Ditto for a robbery. The cartels/dealers are fully aware of how hard it is to do business with tons of LE wandering around and killing 8 people would bring every cop in the state (not to mention DEA and FBI) running, so I don't think the drugs had anything to do with it. Burglars don't go door to door either, if they suspect money then they go to where they think it is in a smash and grab sort of way so that kind of rules out robbery as a motive.
The only way I can put this together is to start with the assumption that the primary targets were CR1, KR, FR and DR since they are the heads of household in the targeted houses. GR, HG, CR2, and HR were just there. In other words I do not think the killer would have hunted for them if they were somewhere else at the time, like at a friend or relatives house. It also explains why other relatives living close by were passed over on the way to kill KR.
So I wondered what these 4 had in common. Not drugs since I think LM was correct in saying he didn't think his daughter was involved in the grow operations. She might have known about it but it is unlikely she would have been actively involved in the selling. As someone else on here said the only thing that all 4 had in common was cars e.g. selling, fixing, buying.
So I started looking at that and found a statement made a few months ago about the AG of Ohio saying he was cracking down on used car lots for not giving titles and stolen cars being "refurbished" with VINs from salvaged cars. That meant the risk involved in such activities increased greatly. I looked at the car lot DR kept linking to and found the owners name, looked on her website and noticed her manager's name was the same as owner of the BB lodge they all worked at and the same one who gave interviews to the press.
I don't think stolen cars would be motive to kill 8 people though so I wondered what would be worth killing that many people for. Hunting them down at different houses even. The only thing I came up with is a career. A career that could potentially be worth many millions of dollars (e.g one mega hit song).
The public is fickle where their entertainers are concerned. Drugs don't ruin a career. The public has sort of come to expect that of entertainers thanks to Elvis, Michael Jackson and others. They might frown on them being connected to selling them but they could also deny knowing about the selling and it would be hard to prove they did know. The only thing that will tank a career is something that affects the public directly, like Milli Vanilli who lip synced their songs and tanked overnight because their fans felt deceived.
Being involved with stolen cars could potentially be (or be perceived to be by someone who had a direct interest in that career) unforgivable also since it affects all of us in the fact that if it is not our car that was stolen, a spike in stolen cars causes a rise in car insurance all over the nation. The insurance companies are not going to lose money and we see such rises after every hurricane or other natural disaster. That costs everyone who owns a car. Serving time in prison for selling stolen property could tank it too since extended time spent out of the spotlight usually means people forget about you. Protecting such a career that could be worth millions would be a good motive if you had a substantial interest in that career.
I also read somewhere that throwing money on a dead body is a sign that person got too greedy. Given that and the AG's vendetta on stolen cars I am wondering if CR1 and KR decided since the risk was greater the pay should be too. That they may have communicated that with a threat to go to LE if they didn't get that pay raise. Extortion would be a motive and would also explain why everyone who knew about it had to go. Killing that many people would also serve to warn anyone else who knew about it to keep quiet. (LM's statement in an interview of "Are they going to kill me? Maybe or maybe not. I don't know." could be interpreted as a sign of fear for his life or his surviving families lives because of what they knew.)
It would also explain why those all those cars were towed. It would even explain why LM's son JM's truck was towed since relatives and ex relatives usually buy vehicles from family feeling they would get a better deal. Could also be the reason he didn't have tag since you need a title to get one. Maybe the reason LM was so angry about it being towed is he knew and he was fearful about his son buying stolen property?
Any thoughts on this theory anyone? I hope I have not broken any TOS rules with this post. If so please delete it.

I said that. I did a logic problem layout and the only "known" I could find connecting all 4 scenes were cars. And interesting that cars are getting towed. I still wish we knew for sure how many were towed.

Although .... I have played around with the barn door and window scenario at Dana's place (door and window gone, boarded up). I wonder if there was something out of place in the barn that made LE remove those to look for evidence. Even with the rumor Chris Jr. was found "by the woods, in the woods, near the woods" I didn't see a tarp covering a body anywhere near the door. Plus, we really don't know for sure where he was found.
 
There's actually $$ to be made in crime scene cleanup, if you have a strong stomach. Not to be too graphic, but the Rhoden crime scenes haven't been released yet. Think about that. I don't think I could handle getting near the door at this point, much less try to bag and clean.
I'm sorry, but if it were me who inherited the trailers? I'd just burn them to the ground. Who'd want to clean them up to live in any of them? Can't imagine. {shudder}
 
I'm sorry, but if it were me who inherited the trailers? I'd just burn them to the ground. Who'd want to clean them up to live in any of them? Can't imagine. {shudder}

Depend on the actual shape of the trailers. I'm not afraid of ghost.And as a single mom for years a home sometimes is a hard thing to come by.
 
I'm sorry, but if it were me who inherited the trailers? I'd just burn them to the ground. Who'd want to clean them up to live in any of them? Can't imagine. {shudder}
That property where the commercial growing was going on will most likely be taken over by the state. Also, it would also be hard to sell the property with a bunch of junk cars around.
 
That property where the commercial growing was going on will most likely be taken over by the state. Also, it would also be hard to sell the property with a bunch of junk cars around.

I don't know about that.I live in Wv and I think you have to be prosecuted before they can seize it.Consider everyone involved who lived there is deceased it may not be.
 
Could anyone point me to news footage that includes Robin Waddell's interview after the Rhoden murders in which he discusses his relationship with Christopher Rhoden and his family? I believe it was a day or two after the murders. Thanks!
 
Could anyone point me to news footage that includes Robin Waddell's interview after the Rhoden murders in which he discusses his relationship with Christopher Rhoden and his family? I believe it was a day or two after the murders. Thanks!

Video or print?
 
Twenty miles south of Piketon, Big Bear Lake Family Resort owner Robin Waddell has known the Rhoden family for decades, ever since Christopher Sr. started working at the resort — building decks or roofs, excavating, whatever needed done.


Waddell would hire the elder Chris Rhoden whenever he needed construction. He was good, Waddell said. He was reliable. He was a friend.


“It’s devastating that something like this could happen,” Waddell said. “And we don’t know what happened.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/04/24/manhunt-mystery-follow-ohio-bloodbath/83469888/

Robin Waddell, who owns the Big Bear Lake Family Resort just south of Piketon, said Christopher Rhoden often did work for him as a carpenter and helped out with his excavation business. He said Rhoden was a nice guy whose kids sometimes visited him while he was working.


"It's a large family," Waddell said. "There's a lot of them and they've been in this community for generations. So this is affecting a lot of people."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/rural-ohio-community-rattled-killings-family-members-38629512

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-style-murder-family-members-manhunt-piketon

Robin Waddell, the owner of the Big Bear Lake Family Resort in Lucasville, Ohio, said Chris Rhoden Sr. and his son Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden, worked for him several years in a seasonal capacity building docks, repairing fences and performing other carpentry-related jobs.


Waddell said Chris Rhoden was "a fantastic and talented contractor" and his son was "a really good kid."


Waddell said he was familiar with many members of the Rhoden family and saw no outward signs of problems or issues that could explain this tragedy.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/us/ohio-shooting-pike-county/
 
Yes it's easy from our desks/couches to say "I would do ______" But we don't know HOW we are going to react until faced with that situation. BTDT with someone trying to break into my apartment. You'd have thought I'd call the cops. Instead, I called my boyfriend who was visiting neighbors and a lot closer.
I froze. I never thought I would have done that.

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That's why the teach in CPR class, one of the first things you do is look at someone and shout, "call 911", because if you don't (and I've had it happen..), everyone will stand around frozen and watch.
 
That property where the commercial growing was going on will most likely be taken over by the state. Also, it would also be hard to sell the property with a bunch of junk cars around.

apparently not if they have already stated they are returning the scenes back to the family sometime this week. I honestly don't think these so called grow ops were big or as sophisticated as they have made them seem
 
there was a family that was shot, they owned about 50 pit bulls, the dogs went to rescue, but the family deaths, it all went quiet. Same kinda deal though.
 
apparently not if they have already stated they are returning the scenes back to the family sometime this week. I honestly don't think these so called grow ops were big or as sophisticated as they have made them seem

What makes you think that? Serious question.
 
I was thinking more about with being around drug clean ups at some point he would have smelled the grow with all the plants.

On second thought being around clean ups heavy not notice the smell.
 
dope is a herb, so unless it's touched, it don't smell
 
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Before he died, my brother-in-law was a mortician. He used to say, "Grief turns to greed about 24 hours after the burial".
Now, that's quotable! Wise man...[emoji15]

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That's why the teach in CPR class, one of the first things you do is look at someone and shout, "call 911", because if you don't (and I've had it happen..), everyone will stand around frozen and watch.

Bystander Effect.
 
What makes you think that? Serious question.

Which part? They stated last week they were releasing back to family this coming week. As for the size and sophistication well 1st it would take a whole lot of electricity, correct lights, irrigation etc none of which I've seen any signs of. In addition if they were using generators it would take a lot of gasoline to run 24/7 on gasoline. Those barns and sheds did not have natural lighting. To me they blew it out of proportion to either throw the suspects off or to throw the public off maybe both.
 
I have a question I'm hoping someone can help me with. In a crime scene report that was released, one deputy states that the trailer where CR and GR were found appeared to be unoccupied except for the 2 bodies. Does this mean that this trailer was empty of everything else, furniture and such?
 
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