Sievers Sidebar #3

[msboo]

MsBoo. Do you know these answers....LE has some burner phones from CWW, I do not remember if he has any from MS. With the burner phones from CWW, LE can retrieve other phone numbers. Does LE actually need the burner phones themselves to retrieve ALL their incoming and outgoing calls, texts, possible emails? Or just having phone numbers enough to get the info LE needs?

Thanks

IF anything, I'm a true dumba$$ when it comes to tech stuff. I do know that there are apps for this type of recovery off smart devices & more so you well know that LE forensic techs are super capable---burner phones probably pose different approaches. But... what we put out there digitally can be followed back thru that 'path' it takes. I want to ask a friend more, who was a state trooper & is now with our state ATF, about this. He did online investigating into pedofiles posing as young kids in social media (his assignment between trooper & ATF duty). As I said, that digital trail lives forever.

 

[Frigga]

Ya know- his "sexy momma" moniker for her was really starting to get to me. His endless compliments of her outward appearance too. I don't know about any of you- but maybe once in awhile (like on a date night or romantic weekend) I would want to hear that but I don't want to be known for being sexy- not even to my husband- incessantly.

I especially don't want my daughters thinking that is what makes them valuable. It's objectification and for all the wrong reasons. My husband is the first (and better be best) example to my daughters and son. They are watching, listening, paying attention or intuiting. I don't think for a moment their girls weren't.

Don't get me wrong, if I am dressed up for a special occasion I like it when my husband tells me I look nice or I look pretty- but to always hear that- takes away from all of the many things I want to be valued for. Someday looks fade, we get old and if my husbands attraction is hinged soley on my appearance- then what?

I want to be told I have a kind heart or beautiful eyes, that the way I mother our children is amazing- that I make him feel happy or special- that our talk last night was amazing, insightful or helpful... That's what I want my husband to recognize or find valuable about me and I certainly don't want my daughters hearing that sexy crap or being complimented for their attractiveness or looks, first or foremost.

He is so sex crazed, shallow and superficial and he certainly was driven by appearance and status. I think Teresa was attracted to status and appearance too, if I'm being honest, I don't think it was just him and she just went along with it. We don't have to make her a saint to make her life, work and service valuable. We don't have to pretend she didn't like those things nor overlook it- that serves no one. The truth does. She did not deserve to be lied to, manipulated or murdered. It doesn't make her a bad person but I don't think she minded the drivers, private tutors, expensive food, dinners and private beach clubs or designer clothing or handbags- even if they were used. There are a lot of people who care nothing for those things- who value other more simple, deep and intrinsic things.

To say that I am bothered by these texts and exchanges would be an understatement and many people played different parts in them- not just Mark.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I wonder if all swingers are actually married or in love with the person that they bring with them. Some guys just want to sleep with your spouse. So maybe some bring fake girlfriends along to occupy you while they get the opportunity to be with yours truly.

Now I understand trading baseball cards. But your spouse?

Ward Cleaver and Archie Bunker are definitely rolling over in their graves for how things have changed in the name of a fun marriage. Jmo

 

[bluesneakers]

I wonder if all swingers are actually married or in love with the person that they bring with them. Some guys just want to sleep with your spouse. So maybe some bring fake girlfriends along to occupy you while they get the opportunity to be with yours truly.

Now I understand trading baseball cards. But your spouse?

Ward Cleaver and Archie Bunker are definitely rolling over in their graves for how things have changed in the name of a fun marriage. Jmo

You slay me.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I'm sorry guys. Every person that knew Mark said the same thing. Mark cared about the kiddies and he was very protective of them.

Okay. Can we now agree that he only cared to use them for his benefit to keep him to have access to Teresa's money.

Now I do understand why people home school their kids. But in this case. I understand exactly why Mark forced the kids to be home schooled. Jmo.

Mark wasn't a teacher nor a real office manager nor an accountant to handle the taxes on a long form irs tax basis.

Jmo. He lead Teresa to feel like he was on things but he had a addiction of stealing her money.

So every time I see a picture of Mark smiling in the snow with the kids. I realize that it was only a cover up. Jmo.

 

[FelicityLemon]

:thinking: Shenanigans?
Do we have a brilliant real estate person here who could tell us what's what?

11/17/2000: MS & TS buy a house for $48k
07/29/2004: they sell it to Mark's business (Universal Communications Unlimited, LLC) for $60k
10/14/2005: UCU, ltd sells it back to MS & TS for a loss at $58,100k
02/27/2006: UCU, ltd sells it back to MS & TS for NA (four months later)
02/27/2006: MS & TS sell it to an individual for $110,000
02/27/2006: That individual sells it to his own name, Inc.

I get transferring into protection, but is the above kosher?



http://tampa.blockshopper.com/property/163128381600000510/4933_14th_avenue_s

 

[human]

I think you can sell a house every two years without paying capital gains?

Taking business losses works out somehow to your benefit. Hubby explained it to me once and it made sense st the time but ai forget how it works.

People do this kind of thing all of the time to avoid tax liabilities. All legal.

I wonder if they had advice for these transactions

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Ya know- his "sexy momma" moniker for her was really starting to get to me. His endless compliments of her outward appearance too. I don't know about any of you- but maybe once in awhile (like on a date night or romantic weekend) I would want to hear that but I don't want to be known for being sexy- not even to my husband- incessantly.

I especially don't want my daughters thinking that is what makes them valuable. It's objectification and for all the wrong reasons. My husband is the first (and better be best) example to my daughters and son. They are watching, listening, paying attention or intuiting. I don't think for a moment their girls weren't.

Don't get me wrong, if I am dressed up for a special occasion I like it when my husband tells me I look nice or I look pretty- but to always hear that- takes away from all of the many things I want to be valued for. Someday looks fade, we get old and if my husbands attraction is hinged soley on my appearance- then what?

I want to be told I have a kind heart or beautiful eyes, that the way I mother our children is amazing- that I make him feel happy or special- that our talk last night was amazing, insightful or helpful... That's what I want my husband to recognize or find valuable about me and I certainly don't want my daughters hearing that sexy crap or being complimented for their attractiveness or looks, first or foremost.

He is so sex crazed, shallow and superficial and he certainly was driven by appearance and status. I think Teresa was attracted to status and appearance too, if I'm being honest, I don't think it was just him and she just went along with it. We don't have to make her a saint to make her life, work and service valuable. We don't have to pretend she didn't like those things nor overlook it- that serves no one. The truth does. She did not deserve to be lied to, manipulated or murdered. It doesn't make her a bad person but I don't think she minded the drivers, private tutors, expensive food, dinners and private beach clubs or designer clothing or handbags- even if they were used. There are a lot of people who care nothing for those things- who value other more simple, deep and intrinsic things.

To say that I am bothered by these texts and exchanges would be an understatement and many people played different parts in them- not just Mark.

I agree. It's sexist. Like she's just a sex object to him.

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[debbiegarcia36]

:thinking: Shenanigans?
Do we have a brilliant real estate person here who could tell us what's what?

11/17/2000: MS & TS buy a house for $48k
07/29/2004: they sell it to Mark's business (Universal Communications Unlimited, LLC) for $60k
10/14/2005: UCU, ltd sells it back to MS & TS for a loss at $58,100k
02/27/2006: UCU, ltd sells it back to MS & TS for NA (four months later)
02/27/2006: MS & TS sell it to an individual for $110,000
02/27/2006: That individual sells it to his own name, Inc.

I get transferring into protection, but is the above kosher?



http://tampa.blockshopper.com/property/163128381600000510/4933_14th_avenue_s

Were the above transfers between the Sievets and the LLC in title only or is there a lender involved? It doesn't make sense to me. Probably need a financial advisor to weigh in.

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[Jessicades]

I believe that the "Seacrest" reference is related to Seacrest Country Day School in Naples. My children attended the school at the same time as the Sievers' girls. I remember Mark Sievers very clearly, and not favorably at all. I believe they attended for at least 2012 and 2013 before leaving. I know one of the ladies mentioned was a Seacrest Mom and the other one looks familiar. Maybe he used Seacrest as a way to remind him of how he knew people?

What was the general impression other parents had of MS? Helicopter parent?

 

[IQuestion]

I think you can sell a house every two years without paying capital gains?

Taking business losses works out somehow to your benefit. Hubby explained it to me once and it made sense st the time but ai forget how it works.
People do this kind of thing all of the time to avoid tax liabilities. All legal.
I wonder if they had advice for these transactions

HUMAN and FELICITYLEMON As all things in the tax code, IT DEPENDS! First of all, it would have to be your primary residence for 2 of the last 5 years. And you can only exclude the first 250K of gain if single/ 500k gain if married. And there are extenuating/unforeseen circumstances (health, job transfer, etc) that can allow a taxpayer to get a prorated amount if they do not meet the full 2 year time period.
I looked over the transaction history and (without going into details) there are NO shenanigans.
People often add their spouse to title when they get married, refi or take out an equity line (Heloc). Or they think they can change the title (because they read a book?) and it has to be corrected before they can sell the property. BTW I am not a brilliant real estate person, I have just seen so many transactions like this....it can get confusing trying to figure the original tax basis.

 

[msboo]

HUMAN and FELICITYLEMON As all things in the tax code, IT DEPENDS! First of all, it would have to be your primary residence for 2 of the last 5 years. And you can only excluded the first 250K of gain if single/ 500k gain if married. And there are extenuating/unforeseen circumstances (health, job transfer, etc) that can allow a taxpayer to get a prorated amount if they do not meet the full 2 year time period.
I looked over the transaction history and (without going into details) there are NO shenanigans.
People often add their spouse to title when they get married, refi or take out an equity line (Heloc). Or they think they can change the title (because they read a book?) and it has to be corrected before they can sell the property. BTW I am not a brilliant real estate person, I have just seen so many transactions like this....it can get confusing trying to figure the original tax basis.

True, IQ..... I don't know beans bout taxes like IQ, since she/he works in this area BUT my husband is a retired builder/developer. I used to hear about this or that person doing what used to be a one-time thing selling a home & getting a big tax break up to a certain amount, etc. I saw that post earlier but didn't comment because I couldn't explain it very well.

What are ya'll doin up this late anyway? LOL

 

[jggordo]

Were the above transfers between the Sievets and the LLC in title only or is there a lender involved? It doesn't make sense to me. Probably need a financial advisor to weigh in.

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At this point I believe the IRS has a team of forensic accountants, and LEO has brought in a team as well to pick up on any fraudulent activities MS has done. IRS fraud is such a literal black and white crime that it can be prosecuted so much more quickly than the crime of Murder.

JMO's

 

[Dmacky]

True, IQ..... I don't know beans bout taxes like IQ, since she/he works in this area BUT my husband is a retired builder/developer. I used to hear about this or that person doing what used to be a one-time thing selling a home & getting a big tax break up to a certain amount, etc. I saw that post earlier but didn't comment because I couldn't explain it very well.

What are ya'll doin up this late anyway? LOL

msboo ~ It only looks late to us because of the time differences. For members on the west coast 2:18am is actually only 11:18pm for them. There is a 3 hour time difference.
Since you and I both live in the same state and are on EST, my question for you little missy is what are YOU doin up so late? :wink:

 

[mikeinmo]

msboo ~ It only looks late to us because of the time differences. For members on the west coast 2:18am is actually only 11:18pm for them. There is a 3 hour time difference.
Since you and I both live in the same state and are on EST, my question for you little missy is what are YOU doin up so late? :wink:

You do realize Dmacky some of us are natural bats and night owls (especially at my age)

 

[msboo]

At this point I believe the IRS has a team of forensic accountants, and LEO has brought in a team as well to pick up on any fraudulent activities MS has done. IRS fraud is such a literal black and white crime that it can be prosecuted so much more quickly than the crime of Murder. JMO's

Well their finances had to be a mess all due to MS. IRS will discover lots but the only assets are Jarvis, the Mercedes, don't know about the van (seems gone period as evidence?) and his condo in MO, right? Might be enough to satisfy back & current taxes BUT there will be FINES so no tellin'. IRS will come 1st, then there's their lender.... anyone know how much their loan was for, like was it over the original proposed construction PLUS$$$ student loans? Most docs we sold to did that but had no trouble.
Can this effect $$ from TS estate, as in insurance? IQ, AZ.... anyone?

It only looks late to us because of the time differences. For members on the west coast 2:18am is actually only 11:18pm for them. There is a 3 hour time difference.
Since you and I both live in the same state and are on EST, my question for you little missy is what are YOU doin up so late? :wink:

LOL... you're funny, Dmacky! Woke up, couldn't doze back off sooooooo just had to LOOK SEE. I thought the same thing after I posted.

 

[IQuestion]

Ya know- his "sexy momma" moniker for her was really starting to get to me. His endless compliments of her outward appearance too. I don't know about any of you- but maybe once in awhile (like on a date night or romantic weekend) I would want to hear that but I don't want to be known for being sexy- not even to my husband- incessantly.

I especially don't want my daughters thinking that is what makes them valuable. It's objectification and for all the wrong reasons. My husband is the first (and better be best) example to my daughters and son. They are watching, listening, paying attention or intuiting. I don't think for a moment their girls weren't.

Don't get me wrong, if I am dressed up for a special occasion I like it when my husband tells me I look nice or I look pretty- but to always hear that- takes away from all of the many things I want to be valued for. Someday looks fade, we get old and if my husbands attraction is hinged soley on my appearance- then what?

I want to be told I have a kind heart or beautiful eyes, that the way I mother our children is amazing- that I make him feel happy or special- that our talk last night was amazing, insightful or helpful... That's what I want my husband to recognize or find valuable about me and I certainly don't want my daughters hearing that sexy crap or being complimented for their attractiveness or looks, first or foremost.

He is so sex crazed, shallow and superficial and he certainly was driven by appearance and status. I think Teresa was attracted to status and appearance too, if I'm being honest, I don't think it was just him and she just went along with it. We don't have to make her a saint to make her life, work and service valuable. We don't have to pretend she didn't like those things nor overlook it- that serves no one. The truth does. She did not deserve to be lied to, manipulated or murdered. It doesn't make her a bad person but I don't think she minded the drivers, private tutors, expensive food, dinners and private beach clubs or designer clothing or handbags- even if they were used. There are a lot of people who care nothing for those things- who value other more simple, deep and intrinsic things.

To say that I am bothered by these texts and exchanges would be an understatement and many people played different parts in them- not just Mark.

FRIGGA Your post is balanced, thought provoking and you explain perfectly what makes a lot of this embarrassingly uncomfortable for me. (Please add to Closing Arguments?):goodpost:

 

[noel leon]

FRIGGA Your post is balanced, thought provoking and you explain perfectly what makes a lot of this embarrassingly uncomfortable for me. (Please add to Closing Arguments?):goodpost:

and me too....but Frigga I can tell all the way from california how sweet you are!

 

[msboo]

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE... aka “Oops, I did it again!” No matter how many times he says this, he still won't bag Brittany Spears. Bates 37211.

YES, FL​.... all MS 'Oops' moments! He was 'channeling' his inner BS.

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I'm curious to know what the women (his friends) think reading all this and am especially curious as to what their husband's think now that they see it all grouped together.

People wondered why an educated, intelligent and beautiful woman like TS could believe his lies. She wasn't the only one. He seemed to fool mental health professionals as well.

And it bugs me that young girls are involved and as someone posted before, children see and hear things - they are not stupid.

FACT: there will be collateral damage here, just no way around it. Some may fare better than others depending.

It seems patients had different experiences with MS, some fine-some not. I know one patient who early on just wouldn't hear that MS was suspect, office contact with him was pleasant, he was his 'jovial' self---his typical 'cover. This patient soon saw the light as evidence came out. Believe me, & I'm no mental health specialist, MS didn't fool any mental health professionals. IF by chance that happened then they weren't worth their salt, so to speak. YES, TS was 'educated, intelligent & beautiful', no doubt. AND she knew her husband. MS was just like the 'friends' he kept NOT the 'friends he fooled. Friendships exist on different levels & life is too busy. The inside always shows thru the cover unless one chooses not to look.

JMO. The door must always remain open as facts come out & chips fall where they may.

 

[FelicityLemon]

YES, FL​.... all MS 'Oops' moments! He was 'channeling' his inner BS.




FACT: there will be collateral damage here, just no way around it. Some may fare better than others depending.

It seems patients had different experiences with MS, some fine-some not. I know one patient who early on just wouldn't hear that MS was suspect, office contact with him was pleasant, he was his 'jovial' self---his typical 'cover. This patient soon saw the light as evidence came out. Believe me, & I'm no mental health specialist, MS didn't fool any mental health professionals. IF by chance that happened then they weren't worth their salt, so to speak. YES, TS was 'educated, intelligent & beautiful', no doubt. AND she knew her husband. MS was just like the 'friends' he kept NOT the 'friends he fooled. Friendships exist on different levels & life is too busy. The inside always shows thru the cover unless one chooses not to look.

JMO. The door must always remain open as facts come out & chips fall where they may.

OH, msboo - you said it all perfectly! I hadn't thought about any husband/bf discovering any affairs yikes One of my (sexist) thoughts was just how protective/angry/helpless a man would feel seeing all the sexual innuendo, machinations to meet for playdates progress and the crude attempts to elicit specific responses (oh, uh I guess I mean manipulate smacking my own forehead) grouped together or perhaps even seeing for themselves a single text for the first time. After the first time it happened I could see a woman telling her spouse what MS had written and either laughing about it or wondering if it was deliberate. I would and did tell my DH about one of his out-of-state friends always trying to insert sex into conversations. And then I forever after screened the phone calls before answering so I didn't have to talk to him.

I guess these people involved are in an unusual position given that their children had become friends and that one of the parents is a male stay-at-home. Man, what a set-up for a predator. What a foot in the door. Dangling children as bait. Providing such intense male attention, support and "you wanna talk? I'm here for you. seriously" "is there anything you need?" "i'm in your area. stop by for quick hello?" always so accommodating, "whatever i can do to help" sometimes he includes his wife: "whatever we can do to help". Aggressive social climber wannabe. I have to say that if any person male or female was that eager to go out of their way like he did to 'do things for me' it would signal something off. If the roles were reversed and MS was a woman saying and doing these things for the fathers, it would be like a neon sign.

It's just SO much clearer to see it all together in the documents. It may even surprise the women themselves when they see it clearly in the documents like this as opposed to an occasional 'slip' because this way, there is little doubt of his intentions.

There's also so much that's been redacted and even huge chunks that are completely missing. Hope we see some of that.

Are there any other homeschoolers here who have odd interactions with other parents like MS?