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So we have definitive proof he was a terrorist and definitive proof he wasn't gay...yet people still don't believe it?

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Thanks to all of you who are providing info with articles, videos, etc...Much appreciated.
 
So we have definitive proof he was a terrorist and definitive proof he wasn't gay...yet people still don't believe it?

:facepalm:

Thanks to all of you who are providing info with articles, videos, etc...Much appreciated.

How can you prove someone wasn't gay??

Gay men act straight. Even Oscar Wilde had a wife and children.
 
Terror Begins at Home
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/terror-begins-at-home

In fact, though, there is a connection between domestic violence and mass shootings, and in acknowledging that connection there is some hope for helping to prevent both. A recent analysis of mass shootings, conducted by the research-and-advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety, found the link to domestic violence “noteworthy.” Using the F.B.I.’s definition of mass shootings as incidents in which four or more people are murdered by guns, the Everytown researchers were able to document a hundred and thirty-three such shootings between January, 2009, and July, 2015. They found that “in at least 76 of the cases (57%), the shooter killed a current or former spouse or intimate partner or other family member, and in at least 21 incidents the shooter had a prior domestic violence charge.”

snip>
It’s time to recognize domestic violence and misogynistic anger for the warning signs they often are. Seung-Hui Cho, the perpetrator of the killings at Virginia Tech—until Orlando the deadliest shooting by a single gunman in U.S. history—had previously been charged with stalking female students. One of the two Boston Marathon bombers, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, had been arrested, at his apartment, for domestic assault and battery of a woman. Terror, it seems, sometimes begins at home.
 
I was surprised to hear that the owners of Pulse we're not allowed to reenter The Establishment until just a couple of days ago on Wednesday.

It doesn't appear they have plans to rebuild anymore.

:moo:
 
Is there an article where the ex-wife says he was gay? Or that he appeared to be gay, had gay tendencies, acted gay, looked gay. I know lots of men that appear to be gay, look gay or have gay tendencies and are not gay. Lot's of guys/men that are momma's boy will give off gayness.

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_30006402

“How many snipers from Palestine deserve a bow from our heads as respect to them?” the mother wrote in a post on Oct. 6, 2013. A photo included with the post praises one fighter who “killed 11 Zionists.”

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news...-mother-in-law-proclaimed-support-for-/nrmtx/

It's not the only time Mateen invoked ISIS during his rampage early Sunday. In the middle of killing 49 people, Mateen also called 911 to pledge allegiance to the terror group and CNN affiliate News 13 to say, "I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

The families of the islamic terrorist always try to deflect the reason why. Yet even the wife's mother supports hamas another terrorist group. So I don't believe anything they say.
 
Is there an article where the ex-wife says he was gay? Or that he appeared to be gay, had gay tendencies, acted gay, looked gay. I know lots of men that appear to be gay, look gay or have gay tendencies and are not gay. Lot's of guys/men that are momma's boy will give off gayness.

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_30006402

“How many snipers from Palestine deserve a bow from our heads as respect to them?” the mother wrote in a post on Oct. 6, 2013. A photo included with the post praises one fighter who “killed 11 Zionists.”

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news...-mother-in-law-proclaimed-support-for-/nrmtx/

It's not the only time Mateen invoked ISIS during his rampage early Sunday. In the middle of killing 49 people, Mateen also called 911 to pledge allegiance to the terror group and CNN affiliate News 13 to say, "I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

The families of the islamic terrorist always try to deflect the reason why. Yet even the wife's mother supports hamas another terrorist group. So I don't believe anything they say.

She said he did things straight men don't do, and that she wondered if he was totally straight.

“In his family structure, homosexuality was really not tolerated,” she said. “And one of the directions of his life was to be a perfect son.”

When she was asked "Do you think he was gay?" she said "I don't know."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lked-wife-kid-massacring-49-people-there.html
http://time.com/4369577/orlando-shooting-sitora-yusufiy-omar-mateen-gay/
 
She said he did things straight men don't do, and that she wondered if he was totally straight.

“In his family structure, homosexuality was really not tolerated,” she said. “And one of the directions of his life was to be a perfect son.”

When she was asked "Do you think he was gay?" she said "I don't know."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lked-wife-kid-massacring-49-people-there.html
http://time.com/4369577/orlando-shooting-sitora-yusufiy-omar-mateen-gay/

bbm, exactly. But she knew he bought lot's & lots of ammo and she went with him to scope out the club, and do not think for one (1) minute she didn't know what he was going to do. She knew, she didn't know when. That is what I believe and I think I am right. jmo She should be watched for the rest of her life in this country, she is not to be trusted. jmo
 
bbm, exactly. But she knew he bought lot's & lots of ammo and she went with him to scope out the club, and do not think for one (1) minute she didn't know what he was going to do. She knew, she didn't know when. That is what I believe and I think I am right. jmo She should be watched for the rest of her life in this country, she is not to be trusted. jmo

Links? When did she accompany him to buy ammo? When did she scope out the club?

The quotes I gave were from his ex-wife Sitora Yusifiy. She hadn't seen him in years and she lives in Colorado.
 
The one who says she doesn't know if he was gay is the ex-wife who hasn't seen him in years. She hasn't gone with him to any clubs or buy ammo. The second wife hasn't been talking to the press.
 
coddling the enemy is not on the list of kind things either. jmo
 

She said he did things straight men don't do, and that she wondered if he was totally straight.

“In his family structure, homosexuality was really not tolerated,” she said. “And one of the directions of his life was to be a perfect son.”

When she was asked "Do you think he was gay?" she said "I don't know."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lked-wife-kid-massacring-49-people-there.html
http://time.com/4369577/orlando-shooting-sitora-yusufiy-omar-mateen-gay/

If I was asked about my ex whom I hadn't seen in years, the answer would be I don't know. I have no idea what has been going on since we were together. How could I answer something like that NOW? I can say what I thought he was years ago.

I'm a horse trainer and sell horses. People ask will the horse do this? Will it do that? All I can say is what it HAS done. I can't say what it WILL do. Or, if the horse has been somewhere else for several years and ends up back in my barn, I can just tell you what I know about it, not what it did when it was somewhere else. IMO
 
How can you prove someone wasn't gay??

Gay men act straight. Even Oscar Wilde had a wife and children.

Here's my problem with the gay thing.

Until club goers started saying they had contact with him thru dating sites and apps, nothing was said about him being gay.

Now the FBI have said that they have checked the sites, apps, shooter's phone plus the phones of the people claiming this, and NOTHING was found. Nowhere.

So... if these club goers had not claimed to have contact with him in that way.... we would not be having this debate right now, because there was nothing about him being gay before that.

IMO MOO etc.
 
Here's my problem with the gay thing.

Until club goers started saying they had contact with him thru dating sites and apps, nothing was said about him being gay.

Now the FBI have said that they have checked the sites, apps, shooter's phone plus the phones of the people claiming this, and NOTHING was found. Nowhere.

So... if these club goers had not claimed to have contact with him in that way.... we would not be having this debate right now, because there was nothing about him being gay before that.

IMO MOO etc.

Actually, there were quotes from people who knew him when he was younger who said he was or might be. They are quoted on here somewhere.
 
Several days after this abomination, I knew at some point I would have to go down there. I also trusted myself that I would know "when " I could do so. It mattered to me.


As many of you know, I went down there last Monday fully aware that the scene was was blocked off. On that visit, I had to see to the media, from all over the world , caring about this story. It mattered to me.


I decided last night that today would be day. I would go early, so that if I got lost I did not have to attempt to find my way with traffic all about. I was also aware that it was an experience I wanted to do in quiet, without a lot of people around. That, too, mattered to me.


On my way down there it was moving that all the signs above the expressway, usually warning of an upcoming traffic delay, today , mentioned June 12.


Over the past week , I began to notice that my furry friend had been staying a bit closer to me, knowing instinctively that I needed her presence a bit more these days. . That mattered to me.


On the way to the center , I passed impromtu memorials, many large, at random locations on the side streets. .As I got closer I could see the the vast open space adorned with colors - rainbow colors,, and "ojects" of all sizes and shapes.


As i was getting closer , the magnitude of what had transpired, grew. I had forgotten my Kleenex. Upon getting closer, the creativity of the community, and many others, struck me profoundly.


While finding a parking space I saw that a parking meter, still claiming that the parking space was "for media only". Another reminder of enormity of the past week. For some reason I was glad that it had accidental been left. It mattered to me.


I saw lighters left about, so that visitors could light a candle, if one could find one that, unlike like the victims, had not flickered away, I found one, and lit it. That also, mattered to me.


I begin to see the pictures of those forever seared into our hearts and minds. Although unknown personally, they had become familiar faces for many of us here. Too familiar. For incomprehensible reasons. In all likelihood it shall remain so.-forever.


Magic markers were left all about the memorial. Many of those that had been there before, some many times, knew that many others would follow, and experience a yearning to leave their words as well. That mattered to me.


There were about 8 people doing what they needed to do for themselves, each in their own way and mind. For those that were there with someone, their conversations consisted of whispers. It was solemn ground, filled only with stillness. Walking slowed down, too much to take in. That too, mattered to me.


There was a homeless man sleeping about 15 feet away, his torn back pack,and sun burnt cheeks, reminded each of us a different kind of misery. I noticed about 8 folding chairs facing toward the flowers, reefs, pictures, candles,with goodbyes all over them. We had, after all, made promise not to forget them. One elderly man sat, hands clutched. That too,mattered to me.


Many of the flowers had begin to wither. They had, however, unlike the people we all were forced to say goodbye to, had lived their lives as designed.. Fresh flowers , in some places, stood out in the bright sunshine, reminding me that people had laid them recently,fulfilling the promise not to be forgotten. That mattered to me.


I bought a small candle, and set it down but chose not to light it. I would save it for others that were sure to come behind me. I grabbed a magic marker and continued to absorb what I was immersed in.


I knew that I would wait, until, I saw and felt the item that called out to me for my words. It happened , for reasons that shall remain unknown to me, and sat down.. I had not noticed that the marker was bright red,and had leaked upon my hand. In much the same manner as copious amount of blood, had left the confines of the victims my right hand was red. The red ink on my hands, chilling in its own way, was, startling, but befuddling fitting .


The reasons why certain words heaped an intense sadness upon me remain unclear.


There were various separated beds of collections, appearing as if when one area become to much, another one had started and blossomed. Too big, and intimacy might be lost. prohibiting one of the ability to see the weary words surrounding me. The ache was profound.


There was an area where big sheets and blankets lay beside one another, with words scrawled upon them, in a wide array of colors and handwriting. There was very little room left for a future visitor that would too, have the same compelling need to need to witness what lay before me. I was flooded with memories of my little sister and and I doing the AIDS quilt decades earlier. in Washington.


My first thought was, how far we we have come, HIV being a monster of hate, while only the opposite was before me.Love. I quickly reminded myself there was more than enough hate continuing to fetter in other lands being oblivious to the reality that others of my ilk were deemed worthy of having their heads lobbed off, or heaved off high buildings.


I could not help but remember the irony I experienced when a few, very few, spewed hate of the same magnitude that had given birth to June 12.


As a gay man, I could grasp the notion of a safe haven, in our bars, being yanked away. Although i rarely attend with the ferocity I did decades ago I could easily understand that truth. Hopefully, there will a balance between moving on while never quite forgetting as well. It mattered to me.


A bright pink and orange, gay, colorful couch was in the bright sunlight - it too had little room left for another who yearned and needed to leave sentiments. I could not help but think that couches are where people lie down to rest. Usually in peace. Our 49 had nothing of the sort. That too mattered to me.


One of the areas had no one there, I enjoyed not being surrounded , far away from grief that passed me bye at the other locations. Behind me I saw people kneeling down randomly , when their need to do so, compelled them, to pick their own special space where and when it was their moment to do so.It mattered to me.


I noticed that the city had made signs of our gay and festive rainbow flag that was created in celebration , decades ago, for those of us lucky enough to celebrate " being". The signs claimed "Orlando Strong". The hung from street lights. I never particularly cared for those words, the word "Orlando" had made it too close. Strong I had not felt since the 11th.


In reality strength never accompanies powerlessness,lack of comprehension, confusion,grief or anger. In unison, together , they are actually draining and weakening.


In passing other swollen eyes, there was a need to make quick eye contact , to give a nod of comfort , to share a similiar yet unique sadness. The breif glances provided comfort. No words were necessary or spoken, with one another in passing.That, as well mattered to me.

I found comfort in finding out that items in the memorial would be saved and placed somewhere where visitors could , forever, feel what that night meant to the world. That, too mattered to me.


Upon returning to my car, I elected to drive the short distance to Pulse. On this Sunday , it was a small gathering. There remained a small police prescience . One police car was feet away from the collection that had amassed at the front of the horror. Its presence, was, in truth a unneeded reminder that all was not well. Another cop car was on the other side, parked in the car wash where the killers van had been. White and orange plastic barricades lined the actual road.


The black screening that had been put up in the unsuccessful hope to block what had occurred inside was laden with more words from others that felt to need to be at the location of such loss and despair.That, too, mattered to me.


There was a large box truck, behind the black screening that was too high to be blocked.. It was a disaster clean up vehicle. Its presence, at this point in time, reminded me of the intensity of the cruelty that had transpired behind closed doors.

Through the screening I saw two men in white boo-hazard suits and blue gloves walking toward the truck with another gentleman in regular clothing. Over time, I noticed that every car on the 4 lane road, in front of the club ,tapped their brakes. Every single one. That mattered to me.

As I walked away, I was struck by the thought that at that very moment I was doing the very same thing that the 49 innocent kids had done on that night leaving.....................................

On my drive home, I passed a giant electronic,billboard, with "Orlando Strong" reminding me the widespread impact June 12 has had here.

Although having only been up a couple of hours, I felt as if I needed sleep, I was zapped,spent and weary.

Was I glad I followed my compulsion to experience this day. Indeed. I was correct in knowing when I emotionally available to do so. could do so. When strong enough - in quiet. That mattered to me as well.


Upon my return home I had hoped for a dreary thunderstorm.Both clouds and hunger evaded me..............
 
Actually, there were quotes from people who knew him when he was younger who said he was or might be. They are quoted on here somewhere.

I'm sorry I must have not seen those. All I can remember is a few from the club claiming they had contact with him on gay apps. I had the news on constantly after the shooting (I had pnuemonia when shooting happened and I was home all of the dang time) and I do not remember ANYTHING about him being gay until a club goer said so. All I have read about his younger years was what a bully he was and temperamental and in grade school he was violent.
 
Several days after this abomination, I knew at some point I would have to go down there. I also trusted myself that I would know "when " I could do so. It mattered to me.


As many of you know, I went down there last Monday fully aware that the scene was was blocked off. On that visit, I had to see to the media, from all over the world , caring about this story. It mattered to me.


I decided last night that today would be day. I would go early, so that if I got lost I did not have to attempt to find my way with traffic all about. I was also aware that it was an experience I wanted to do in quiet, without a lot of people around. That, too, mattered to me.


On my way down there it was moving that all the signs above the expressway, usually warning of an upcoming traffic delay, today , mentioned June 12.


Over the past week , I began to notice that my furry friend had been staying a bit closer to me, knowing instinctively that I needed her presence a bit more these days. . That mattered to me.


On the way to the center , I passed impromtu memorials, many large, at random locations on the side streets. .As I got closer I could see the the vast open space adorned with colors - rainbow colors,, and "ojects" of all sizes and shapes.


As i was getting closer , the magnitude of what had transpired, grew. I had forgotten my Kleenex. Upon getting closer, the creativity of the community, and many others, struck me profoundly.


While finding a parking space I saw that a parking meter, still claiming that the parking space was "for media only". Another reminder of enormity of the past week. For some reason I was glad that it had accidental been left. It mattered to me.


I saw lighters left about, so that visitors could light a candle, if one could find one that, unlike like the victims, had not flickered away, I found one, and lit it. That also, mattered to me.


I begin to see the pictures of those forever seared into our hearts and minds. Although unknown personally, they had become familiar faces for many of us here. Too familiar. For incomprehensible reasons. In all likelihood it shall remain so.-forever.


Magic markers were left all about the memorial. Many of those that had been there before, some many times, knew that many others would follow, and experience a yearning to leave their words as well. That mattered to me.


There were about 8 people doing what they needed to do for themselves, each in their own way and mind. For those that were there with someone, their conversations consisted of whispers. It was solemn ground, filled only with stillness. Walking slowed down, too much to take in. That too, mattered to me.


There was a homeless man sleeping about 15 feet away, his torn back pack,and sun burnt cheeks, reminded each of us a different kind of misery. I noticed about 8 folding chairs facing toward the flowers, reefs, pictures, candles,with goodbyes all over them. We had, after all, made promise not to forget them. One elderly man sat, hands clutched. That too,mattered to me.


Many of the flowers had begin to wither. They had, however, unlike the people we all were forced to say goodbye to, had lived their lives as designed.. Fresh flowers , in some places, stood out in the bright sunshine, reminding me that people had laid them recently,fulfilling the promise not to be forgotten. That mattered to me.


I bought a small candle, and set it down but chose not to light it. I would save it for others that were sure to come behind me. I grabbed a magic marker and continued to absorb what I was immersed in.


I knew that I would wait, until, I saw and felt the item that called out to me for my words. It happened , for reasons that shall remain unknown to me, and sat down.. I had not noticed that the marker was bright red,and had leaked upon my hand. In much the same manner as copious amount of blood, had left the confines of the victims my right hand was red. The red ink on my hands, chilling in its own way, was, startling, but befuddling fitting .


The reasons why certain words heaped an intense sadness upon me remain unclear.


There were various separated beds of collections, appearing as if when one area become to much, another one had started and blossomed. Too big, and intimacy might be lost. prohibiting one of the ability to see the weary words surrounding me. The ache was profound.


There was an area where big sheets and blankets lay beside one another, with words scrawled upon them, in a wide array of colors and handwriting. There was very little room left for a future visitor that would too, have the same compelling need to need to witness what lay before me. I was flooded with memories of my little sister and and I doing the AIDS quilt decades earlier. in Washington.


My first thought was, how far we we have come, HIV being a monster of hate, while only the opposite was before me.Love. I quickly reminded myself there was more than enough hate continuing to fetter in other lands being oblivious to the reality that others of my ilk were deemed worthy of having their heads lobbed off, or heaved off high buildings.


I could not help but remember the irony I experienced when a few, very few, spewed hate of the same magnitude that had given birth to June 12.


As a gay man, I could grasp the notion of a safe haven, in our bars, being yanked away. Although i rarely attend with the ferocity I did decades ago I could easily understand that truth. Hopefully, there will a balance between moving on while never quite forgetting as well. It mattered to me.


A bright pink and orange, gay, colorful couch was in the bright sunlight - it too had little room left for another who yearned and needed to leave sentiments. I could not help but think that couches are where people lie down to rest. Usually in peace. Our 49 had nothing of the sort. That too mattered to me.


One of the areas had no one there, I enjoyed not being surrounded , far away from grief that passed me bye at the other locations. Behind me I saw people kneeling down randomly , when their need to do so, compelled them, to pick their own special space where and when it was their moment to do so.It mattered to me.


I noticed that the city had made signs of our gay and festive rainbow flag that was created in celebration , decades ago, for those of us lucky enough to celebrate " being". The signs claimed "Orlando Strong". The hung from street lights. I never particularly cared for those words, the word "Orlando" had made it too close. Strong I had not felt since the 11th.


In reality strength never accompanies powerlessness,lack of comprehension, confusion,grief or anger. In unison, together , they are actually draining and weakening.


In passing other swollen eyes, there was a need to make quick eye contact , to give a nod of comfort , to share a similiar yet unique sadness. The breif glances provided comfort. No words were necessary or spoken, with one another in passing.That, as well mattered to me.

I found comfort in finding out that items in the memorial would be saved and placed somewhere where visitors could , forever, feel what that night meant to the world. That, too mattered to me.


Upon returning to my car, I elected to drive the short distance to Pulse. On this Sunday , it was a small gathering. There remained a small police prescience . One police car was feet away from the collection that had amassed at the front of the horror. Its presence, was, in truth a unneeded reminder that all was not well. Another cop car was on the other side, parked in the car wash where the killers van had been. White and orange plastic barricades lined the actual road.


The black screening that had been put up in the unsuccessful hope to block what had occurred inside was laden with more words from others that felt to need to be at the location of such loss and despair.That, too, mattered to me.


There was a large box truck, behind the black screening that was too high to be blocked.. It was a disaster clean up vehicle. Its presence, at this point in time, reminded me of the intensity of the cruelty that had transpired behind closed doors.

Through the screening I saw two men in white boo-hazard suits and blue gloves walking toward the truck with another gentleman in regular clothing. Over time, I noticed that every car on the 4 lane road, in front of the club ,tapped their brakes. Every single one. That mattered to me.


On my drive home, I passed a giant electronic,billboard, with "Orlando Strong" reminding me the widespread impact June 12 has had here.


Although having only been up a couple of hours, I felt as if I needed sleep, I was zapped,spent and weary..


Was I glad I followed my compulsion to experience this day. Indeed. I was correct in knowing when I emotionally available to do so. could do so. When strong enough - in quiet. That mattered to me as well. .


Upon my return home I had hoped for a dreary thunderstorm.Both clouds and hunger evaded me. .


As I walked away, I was struck by the thought that at that very moment I was doing the very same thing that the 49 Innocent kids had done on that night leaving.....................................

Cariis, thank you for going and thank you for sharing and writing so beautifully about it. Tragedy, heart, strength, pain, all of it matters.
:heartbeat:
 
Actually, there were quotes from people who knew him when he was younger who said he was or might be. They are quoted on here somewhere.

In addition, the wives second interview acknowledged that she was aware of his orinetation. In her first interview, she said later the FBI asked her not to reveal that

Grindr warns on its site to be careful if someone decides to delete their account, they are unable to retrieve it

I too have thought maybe the FBI would be able to do so, but the reality here is apparently they have not been sucessful in reading his phone either (blood and water from the broken walls messed it up bad). Unless they are not reveailing anything

But I doubt folks are willing to go on global tv, lying . You have to understand that his double life angers a lot of us. It is betrayal, for you to come in here , do what you did, while all this time you enjoyed the abiltiy to be in a safe zone yourself.
 
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