Toddler's Mother/Peaches/Jane Doe #3

[SinSeven007]

I agree there has to be a possibility of more than one killer. Theres a big difference i feel between a street level worker and a high end escort. These women with the tattoos might not even be sex workers. Then again I have read on here about Johns branding their women with tattoos.

 

[Super Sleuth]

I have the same feeling.They are related somehow.

I wonder.... if this is like a bad family situation. Like really bad. You see these cases where there's an abusive male in the house and they abuse and kill members of the family and the rest are too scared to talk. Or if they try to get away they are killed as an example? Is it possible that this male may have raped younger members of the family? This may be where Baby Doe came from?
Just thinking outloud.

So are we looking for a black man or a white man?

 

[Evey]

What I wouldn't give to know if Cherries could be matched to Peaches and Baby Doe through dna testing. Cherries was between 35-50 when murdered.

https://letsfindthem.wordpress.com/...ed-cases-of-unidentified-females-found-in-ny/

This made me curious cause same type of tattoo and wasn't there a girl in the Ohio murders called lemon? It may be her last name unless she has that as a nickname which is a pattern.

 

[Momof3kids!]

HI,

I am fairly new to this forum so this may have already been covered.
I was curious about the design on the peach and did a little research on peach tattoos. I found one similar tattoo on an Allman Brother forum of all things. This person said that his peach had a bite taken out of it and that the drop is peach juice dripping. There were many Allman brother's fans on the forum who had peach tattoos which led me to think that maybe she was an Allman Brother's fan. I then did research to see if they played any concerts in the area at that time...and yes they did.
June 21, 1997 Jones Beach Music Theater in Wantag.


http://allmanbrothersband.com/modul...ent&tapers=&eid=770&day=21&month=06&year=1997


Here is the link to the Peach Forum
http://allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=73293.

 

[Evey]

THANK YOU!:tyou:
Y'all may be on to something with peaches, cherry and baby doe.
Possible connections:
1.) Peaches is baby doe's mother. No connection to Cherry.
2.) Cherry is both Peaches and baby doe's mother.
3.) Cherry and Peaches are family and baby doe is Peaches or Cherry's.
4.) Cherry is grandmother, Peaches is Cherry's daughter, and baby doe is Peaches daughter.

Is that all the possibilities? Which ones can be immediately dismissed?
I've always thought that Cherry and Peaches were somehow connected. Just never sure how.

I'm still sick and highly medicated for the pain so if half of what I say doesn't make sense just laugh with me! :blushing:

To me the tattoos both seem newer but if cherry is related or the mom then maybe they went and got the tattoo together and someone got them after. What was under the peach? I want to know what other murdered or missing girls have a fruit name or tattoo and are near there or a place where the killer or killers has striked before. Did anyone find the baby havjng tmkse earrings at that age odd? They were earrings an older lady wears and why pierce a babies ears so maybe the jewelry has some other meaning

 

[DakotaMayi]

HI,

I am fairly new to this forum so this may have already been covered.
I was curious about the design on the peach and did a little research on peach tattoos. I found one similar tattoo on an Allman Brother forum of all things. This person said that his peach had a bite taken out of it and that the drop is peach juice dripping. There were many Allman brother's fans on the forum who had peach tattoos which led me to think that maybe she was an Allman Brother's fan. I then did research to see if they played any concerts in the area at that time...and yes they did.
June 21, 1997 Jones Beach Music Theater in Wantag.


http://allmanbrothersband.com/modul...ent&tapers=&eid=770&day=21&month=06&year=1997


Here is the link to the Peach Forum
http://allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=73293.

:welcome:

 

[Evey]

So Cherry and peaches heads agent showed up yet? Either we have a very smart evolving killer(maybe the one son who changed his story) living near. Or we could have two dueling killers which how would they know the other exists?and shouldn't the pillow case be zoomed in on cause it's a unique design but I doubt it's from his home. Who knows maybe it's a crazy lady killing all the girls herb husvand sleeps wrh. If Edward Wayne edwards or the green river killer has been at large when the last known kill takes place then could it be one of them?

 

[PositiveLight]

I would like to bring attention to one more case in approximate areaI, a bit to the west on the LI island, the same waters. For some time already I do have strong feeling that the case might be related even though it is relatively recent discovery, 2015.

Dismembered parts of female found in different locations and at different times around Calvert Vaux Park. Some limbs washed up on the shore, some found in trees, gruesome. Head never located. She had tattoo as well. It would be great if some of you had a look at the case and tattoo and unscramble first letter.

We all call her "Monique" even though first letter to some (and to me) does not really look like M. I have thought of Ronique but never heard of such a name. By google it seems that Ronique is used mainly by African American women.

Please share your thoughts.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...d-in-Calvert-Vaux-Park-Mar-15&highlight=13810

This case was on my list I was working on last night!
Great minds!

 

[PositiveLight]

Wow, PositiveLight... you have been busy haha so much to catch up on today.

Ty for this. I'm getting lost in dates and doe's.

Could Baby Doe be Cherry's child?

I still think its all all too much of a coincidence that Peaches has a Caeserean scar for Baby Doe (can we name this poor baby?) not to be her child.

We didn't know for so long that Peaches and JD were one and the same so surely this information about Baby Doe is just wrong.

You're welcome!
I too want to give her a name. It's so sad for her not to have at least a nickname.

 

[PositiveLight]

So are we looking for a black man or a white man?

Good question. Peaches and Cherry are described as Hispanic or African American with light skin. We don't know Baby Doe's race though. So it could be hispanic, african american or white man. I think if we knew baby doe's race it would greatly help. Especially if it is some type of family/rape situation. Maybe baby Doe was killed because she was evidence of an incest situation?
I'm trying to look at all options here. Because it does seem like there is more than 2 killers working the area. So there could definitely be different motives.
This case comes to mind when I think of cherry, peaches and baby doe. Maybe something similar occurred? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Wesson

 

[PositiveLight]

Found this. Possible, I guess.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/santiago_monique.html

Excellent work!
You may be on to something! Her tattoo may have been to cover the birthmark?

 

[PositiveLight]

These are a few I came across last night.
Males and females. Some to rule out I'm sure. Monique is in this list also.

Possible victims- \
unidentified 25-40 year old female. NamUs #13810 found 01/04/2015 dismembered- "Remains (hand) were initially discovered by bystander. Foot and torso with associated
limbs were located on later dates." Possibly died in 2014- skeltonized. on map looks to be near Lower Bay. Calvert Vaux Park Brooklyn, NY Has tattoo on right calf that
possibly says Monique.


Unidentified male- Bones found in garbage bag located off shoulder of New York State Thruway I-87 near mile marker 94.5 northbound. NamUs UP # 14974


NamUs UP # 13203 may 25, 2014 found. Isolated partial adult left femur found on shoreline by passerby. Queens NY.


NamUs UP # 14423 Parital mandible found. Discovery circumstances unknown


NamUs UP # 14680 Kingston, NY Male looks like they only found the skull - found october 3 2009 30-50 yrs old Hispanic


NamUs UP # 2732 Skeletal remains found scattered along shore of pier in New York Harbor. Male Torso recovered- 35-55 yrs old. Found May 08, 2008




NamUs UP # 5551 Male torso found floating in East River near Pier 11 by a passenger on a New York Waterway boat. Skull was found in East River near 18th
street on July 29th 2007 and linked via DNA. 25-35 yrs old. Torso found on july 19, 2007

 

[PositiveLight]

I find it interesting that the monique Mountain_Kat found had a birthmark on her right leg and the body with monique tatt was on the right leg. Maybe it was to cover the birthmark?

 

[PositiveLight]

To me the tattoos both seem newer but if cherry is related or the mom then maybe they went and got the tattoo together and someone got them after. What was under the peach? I want to know what other murdered or missing girls have a fruit name or tattoo and are near there or a place where the killer or killers has striked before. Did anyone find the baby havjng tmkse earrings at that age odd? They were earrings an older lady wears and why pierce a babies ears so maybe the jewelry has some other meaning

I also found the type of earrings odd.
My granddaughter has pierced ears since she was 5 months old. Always wore very tiny diamond studs. Those earrings just look odd for a young child to wear.

 

[PositiveLight]

HI,

I am fairly new to this forum so this may have already been covered.
I was curious about the design on the peach and did a little research on peach tattoos. I found one similar tattoo on an Allman Brother forum of all things. This person said that his peach had a bite taken out of it and that the drop is peach juice dripping. There were many Allman brother's fans on the forum who had peach tattoos which led me to think that maybe she was an Allman Brother's fan. I then did research to see if they played any concerts in the area at that time...and yes they did.
June 21, 1997 Jones Beach Music Theater in Wantag.


http://allmanbrothersband.com/modul...ent&tapers=&eid=770&day=21&month=06&year=1997


Here is the link to the Peach Forum
http://allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=73293.

Welcome!!!!!
Great research!!! Very interesting!!!

 

[PositiveLight]

So Cherry and peaches heads agent showed up yet? Either we have a very smart evolving killer(maybe the one son who changed his story) living near. Or we could have two dueling killers which how would they know the other exists?and shouldn't the pillow case be zoomed in on cause it's a unique design but I doubt it's from his home. Who knows maybe it's a crazy lady killing all the girls herb husvand sleeps wrh. If Edward Wayne edwards or the green river killer has been at large when the last known kill takes place then could it be one of them?

I think we have several very smart evolving killers.
How do they contact each other if they do? Well there is always the dark areas of the internet that I could see them connecting with each other. I mean there are ways on the internet that people buy and share kill videos. Disgusting I know. I don't want to go to those places though. I don't think my mind could survive it honestly. But this does make me wonder now.... I wonder if these victims deaths were recorded and sold. Oh Dear Lord. It's too early to be thinking this dark. Poor girls and guys!
I want answers for them. So terribly. I want Baby Doe to have a nickname at least. Can we call her Darling Doe?

 

[PositiveLight]

Okay I found a few very interesting posts on Vanessa Marcotte's thread. It is describing the different types of killers and how they are distinguished. I think it would be a great time to share this to see if there are definite patterns to the killings. Can we possibly separate them into groups by this? To decide in a way which killings go with which killer? I'm not sure how to share this though from one thread to another.
I will link it and let someone with better skills do it the proper way!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...gust-2016-4/page51&highlight=Vanessa+Marcotte
post # 754 and 755 by Indy Anna. (GREAT JOB INDY!)

 

[DakotaMayi]

I think we have several very smart evolving killers.
How do they contact each other if they do? Well there is always the dark areas of the internet that I could see them connecting with each other. I mean there are ways on the internet that people buy and share kill videos. Disgusting I know. I don't want to go to those places though. I don't think my mind could survive it honestly. But this does make me wonder now.... I wonder if these victims deaths were recorded and sold. Oh Dear Lord. It's too early to be thinking this dark. Poor girls and guys!
I want answers for them. So terribly. I want Baby Doe to have a nickname at least. Can we call her Darling Doe?

That's precious. Little Darling Doe :heartbeat:

 

[No it's not]

What about the murder of Rosa Delagado in Connecticut, 1997. Both she and her daughter Rosita Camacho went missing and later Delagado was found decapitated and without hands in a lake. Her boyfriend, a former police officer, Julio Camacho, was up on rape charges in 2000.

Good post! JC (ex PO) definitely needs to be looked at. Crazy guy and dangerous. I am interested in any victims found (disfigured) prior to '98 and between 2009 and app. 2014 in connection with him.

His MO (rape) was to arrest a girl, drive away with her and take advantage of her. They did not prosecute him for 5 other cases, since he pleaded guilty to raping one victim in the back of his car in end of '97.

They did not get him for murder of Rosa C., whose torso (no head, no hands) was found app. 180 miles away - and in another state- from where JC lived (Hartford, CT). Gilgo beach is only about 130 miles from Hartfort, CT.

Little Rosita - Rosa's 3 y old daughter- is still missing. Both, mother and daughter disappeared on the same day after seen talking to JC.

-Nin

 

[ShelliMack82]

As I have posted on “Cherries thread I think that Peaches/Toddler and Cherries and others are connected. For the sake of continuity, I will call this killer the Manorville Butcher and I am currently working on a map which I am including the following vics whom in my opinion are his vics...
Vic 1 (that we know of IMO from where bodies were found) Fire Island Jane Doe or Jane Doe #9 to some;
Vics 2 and 3 IMO are Peaches and Unknown Toddler;
Vic 4 Jane Doe #6 where partial remains were found in 2000 not too far from where in 2003 Jessica Taylors torso would be found, I feel like this vic was killed and or abducted close to the time of Peaches and Toddler because of the way Jane Doe #6 was placed close to the toddler;
Vic 5 Jessica Taylor whose torso was found in Manorville in 2003 but her other remains would be found 8 years later very close to the remains of Jane Doe #6 whose partial remains would be discovered very close to Jessica Taylors torso.
Vic 6 Cherries and I believe he changed his dumping grounds because something disrupted him and he still was killing in 2007 but had to find a new place to dump but still in comfort zone.

Although with my theory Asian Male and other bodies will be added but I am still sorting through all this… I think these are similar and that the GB4 murders are a separate monster. They were whole and wrapped up in burlap, My Manorville guy tears them up leaves them all over the place but yet somewhat in the same vicinity. I have actually saw another similarity in these dismemberments in the locations which they are dumped and I am sure I am not the only one whom has seen this connection they are all dumped either in or right on the border of state park land so could possibly be someone that works for the parks service or has some kind of connection to it… Also another theory of mine is years back there was a father/son duo plus 6 more guys they employeed who were running a prostitution ring in NY city and if you read the article they actually tattooed their girls and some of the guys lived in Manhattan and Brooklyn… I added the link below to that story… Idk like I said I am just getting into all this in the past couple months but any input on my theories is greatly appreciated… and one more question maybe someone could answer if there is some kind of familial connection between the killer and the toddler has LE run the DNA through the system of previous offenders to see if there is a match to anyone?? I think that if it hasn’t been done would be a great thing to do just to check it may turn up nothing but it may turn up something… like I said any feedback or discussion on this is welcomed it has become an obsession of mine and I really want to help in any way I can…

Here are those links to the story about the cab drivers…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-sons-prostitution-ring-busted_n_1449107.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/queens_father_son_ran_brothel_on_geNRERscHvZSaTp1x3os4J