Toddler's Mother/Peaches/Jane Doe #3

[Evey]

I also found the type of earrings odd.
My granddaughter has pierced ears since she was 5 months old. Always wore very tiny diamond studs. Those earrings just look odd for a young child to wear.

Exactly. My grandma has ones like it also. Kids always are given the ones like you mentioned. Makes me wonder is it's a hint. For all we know if cherry is the mom or grand mom then maybe it's some hint and both her and peaches have jewelry belonging to her as a hint. I just don't ever see any kid that's small ever wearing those types and dangly ones as well. It would be dangerous to have on. So I doubt the baby had them before.

 

[Evey]

I think we have several very smart evolving killers.
How do they contact each other if they do? Well there is always the dark areas of the internet that I could see them connecting with each other. I mean there are ways on the internet that people buy and share kill videos. Disgusting I know. I don't want to go to those places though. I don't think my mind could survive it honestly. But this does make me wonder now.... I wonder if these victims deaths were recorded and sold. Oh Dear Lord. It's too early to be thinking this dark. Poor girls and guys!
I want answers for them. So terribly. I want Baby Doe to have a nickname at least. Can we call her Darling Doe?

Either the dark web or these are too friends(maybe no enemies) who were rivals all their life and it's one trying to out do the other. Maybe even a small group that all try to out do the other living around there. I feel Hackett and the police chief could know who it is and are covering it up because this person knows the bad things they've done abd they're scared to say. It couldn't be some eyes wide shut type club that make snuff films but I've heard no actual ones exist but who knows.

 

[watergirl62]

... years back there was a father/son duo plus 6 more guys they employeed who were running a prostitution ring in NY city and if you read the article they actually tattooed their girls and some of the guys lived in Manhattan and Brooklyn…

Here are those links to the story about the cab drivers…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...-sons-prostitution-ring-busted_n_1449107.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/queens_father_son_ran_brothel_on_geNRERscHvZSaTp1x3os4J

Wow. Thanks ShelliMack82.

I think that cherries and Peaches tats look relatively new. DH said he thought cherries black ink looked faded. My thought was that maybe they were tatted by their killer. That story follows my line of thinking somewhat.


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...branding them with tattoos — including a bar code on one woman’s neck, according to officials.

At least one of the women had a heart tattoo on her breast with the word “Vee,” which is the dad’s nickname.

At least three of the women had tattoos featuring the son’s nickname, “King Koby.”


The nicknames as part of the tattoo! Hmm...

 

[Evey]

A 16 inch chain seems way too. It and the word chain is usually what rappers wear so ehh aren't they calling it a necklace? Also as someone who has many tattoos I think that's shading because to cover something up you have to add a lot of black or dark stuff cause any good artist doesn't want to fail at it and the skin should be more scarred I feel. As far as DNA go I think the manorville person knows dropping things in different counties makes stuff harder and knows New York doesn't really do familial DNA and it must be someone who can be in the area with totes without it seeming odd. A few questions is does he drop the hands feet etc off of each person in any pattern year or location wise? And no skulls? If so then does he keep the skulls? And why wasn't the baby more eaten by wild animals? A hungry one can smell dead stuff and would get through a blanket or towel but maybe she as in a tote? The male Asian I think tricked him by seeming to be a women so he killed him in anger for fooling him and I read he was trans and a lot of trans people take to prostitution to make money for surgery and often fall victims to harm. Also based on all I've read the girls are not high class escorts this person targets ones who often are desperate for money for drugs who won't have as much security or people looking for them. Because even if they were gorgeous before drugs I always see pretty girls worn down by drugs look wise. To the person they'll be less missed where a high class one will. I wonder if he has a order he leaves the parts also. It's like he's sprinkling a bit here a bit there. We need to list jobs this person could do and not seem odd and how close any homes are. This person could come to fish and kill a girl after then having bloody stuff or a tub might seem normal.

 

[Evey]

Also as someone who has a friend who lives in New York and is a high class hooker I know some do *advertiser censored* and cam so I wonder if those girls also did. She said most know it's dangerous but they won't quit cause they need the drugs or are some pimps properly. She has made it seem there's a group or site where all these girls or whatever upload incidents and warnings about violent or creepy johns. I want to ask her if they have any entries that seem like this case. I know she said there's a copy cat of the Kensington ripper at work now in Vegas. If we could interview enough girls who work the street then maybe one common creepy guy will come to mind. If they know someone isn't a cop and that they'd be anonymous and given some money(I hate using someone's addiction and need for money to get them to open up but that's likely why they would) that they'd jump at having knowing they can get their fix after. Have they found out if any of the girls had sex before death or could have some common std like the perp passed it from girl to girl? Also what if other bodies were related and the person kills family like moms and daughters. It is like he just decides when to leave the next part of the body. To those who assume the chief or Hackett did it, wouldn't the other people who got calls recognize their voice from interviews? And who else found the one neighbor whose son changed his story later very off? I wonder if the man who killed himself sold those burlap bags and couldn't live with himself knowing he helped someone hide a body. And one thing is if we could see what drugs if any are in them because I noticed one Ohio case had higher class pills that someone who's a drug addict who's selling herself for drugs wouldn't have. They'd want what's cheap to have their fix and anything not as cheap would be a treat and perhaps something the guy provides. I never see anything saying sex had happened with any of them before death. And what parts are still missing if cherries and peaches?

 

[Evey]

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I'm leaning more of a girl too~~not too many people pierce both ears of a male infant.

Just one idea but what if it's a and the killer pierces the ears then takes the earrings off another corpse and disguises it as a female to trick us. And even if those are letters under the tattoo I think no killer would leave that's part of her skin if the letters showed any clues or was relevant. For all we know if this is one person he dismembers ones for specific reason. Maybe race? And then the others he either had more respect for or knew someone was on to him or got lazy and has a gf now or wife so cutting someone up isn't so easy now. And who knows maybe he did the tattoos himself. Cause the photos looked new. The weather and all that should make the tattoo fade worse and look bad but they almost seemed brand new. He could be trying to make us think the dismembered not ID'd ones are also hookers so we don't know what or who they are and to me dismembering someone says to me they made him rage or he hated them cause as far as I know only non white people were cut up and all the whole ones were white as far as I've seen. The baby to me is the key and the whole earrings etc are to confuse us cause who knows maybe this dude killed his wife and kids and be grandkid and those are them. If there was any cases in New York for a missing group of family members that would be intriguing. Cause the question is why is he trying to fool us and what is he hiding and to me not cutting the baby shows the kid meant something to him in a way he couldn't bring himself to do the same to the baby. Could be his wife cheated and had the kid so he killed them. I wonder if it's possible to tell when the ears got pierced but if there wasn't enough body to find out the sex of it then the earrings would be on the ground where the ear lobes had been right?

 

[Evey]

Wow. Thanks ShelliMack82.

I think that cherries and Peaches tats look relatively new. DH said he thought cherries black ink looked faded. My thought was that maybe they were tatted by their killer. That story follows my line of thinking somewhat.


*snip*

...branding them with tattoos — including a bar code on one woman’s neck, according to officials.

At least one of the women had a heart tattoo on her breast with the word “Vee,” which is the dad’s nickname.

At least three of the women had tattoos featuring the son’s nickname, “King Koby.”


The nicknames as part of the tattoo! Hmm...

I think the same thing and wonder if the killer does or did do tattoos for a living at one time. Also can't they take someone's DNA and construct a face etc now? I saw it mentioned in a Vanessa marcotte thing but don't know the name. Everything I've read sounds as if they've not found any skulls. Before I wrote anymore long things I better pass out. It still makes me mad I can't get my phone to stay in paragraphs when I post. For the past three days cause of reading these threads I've had serial killer dreams and hope I don't today

 

[jessr927]

I am familiar with NamUs' system of matching missing persons against unidentified persons, due to working on the Mount Vernon NY Jane Doe case with Mount Vernon PD - I think I phrased my original question wrong - since Cherries and Peaches are both unidentified, would NamUs have even run a match against them both? And my 2nd question is, what led to them running DNA from Peaches against Darling Doe? (i.e., what made them think they might be related that would warrant running a test?)

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The only way to determine if they were related would be by DNA. The public wouldn't have access to that information on Namus. Namus basically lists circumstance behind the disappearance, physical attributes of the missing person, sometime pictures/sometimes not, whether a DNA sample is available and entered into CODIS, whether fingerprints or dental records are available.

My understanding is that you can register~~not sure if there would be more information available or not~~I've never registered, but I'm sure someone here has. I believe Resolver has ties to Namus, you might want send a PM.

 

[watergirl62]

I think the same thing and wonder if the killer does or did do tattoos for a living at one time. Also can't they take someone's DNA and construct a face etc now? I saw it mentioned in a Vanessa marcotte thing but don't know the name. Everything I've read sounds as if they've not found any skulls. Before I wrote anymore long things I better pass out. It still makes me mad I can't get my phone to stay in paragraphs when I post. For the past three days cause of reading these threads I've had serial killer dreams and hope I don't today

Sometimes you have to just walk away... I tend to take very long breaks, as in last time I had to start a new profile.

 

[Cryptic]

Good question. Peaches and Cherry are described as Hispanic or African American with light skin. ]

Maybe Dominicans? Many Dominicans have both black and hispanic physical features. In addition, there are many Dominicans in New York. If the victims are Dominicans, the use of English instead of Spanish in the tattoos could imply that the victims were born in the United States and used English as their primary language.

 

[karmaskiss01]

Maybe Dominicans? Many Dominicans have both black and hispanic physical features. In addition, there are many Dominicans in New York. If the victims are Dominicans, the use of English instead of Spanish in the tattoos could imply that the victims were born in the United States and used English as their primary language.

I've thought of this SO much also! Many Dominicans & Puerto Ricans in New York and a lot of them are mixed. My brain automatically assumes Peaches, Darling Doe & Cherries are either Dominican or Puerto Rican ever since I started reading about them. Cherries was found with some papers that said some things in Spanish. People describe Peaches as light skin African American. It would make a lot of sense and for what it's worth I'm hispanic and my mother started to put small hoop earrings on me around toddler age.


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[Al Ka]

Just one idea but what if it's a and the killer pierces the ears then takes the earrings off another corpse and disguises it as a female to trick us.

The baby to me is the key and the whole earrings etc are to confuse us cause who knows maybe this dude killed his wife and kids and be grandkid and those are them. If there was any cases in New York for a missing group of family members that would be intriguing. Cause the question is why is he trying to fool us and what is he hiding and to me not cutting the baby shows the kid meant something to him in a way he couldn't bring himself to do the same to the baby. Could be his wife cheated and had the kid so he killed them. I wonder if it's possible to tell when the ears got pierced but if there wasn't enough body to find out the sex of it then the earrings would be on the ground where the ear lobes had been right?

Remains of baby were skeletal. There is no way they would know that toddler had pierced ears and it was probably an assumption, not a fact, due to jewelry just being there. The same reason why they would assume baby was a girl at the time.

Its very well possible that all the jewelry was mother's or even someone else. But if he wanted to confuse authorities, why leave jewelry with baby and also with extremities that obviously already by that would link them to each other (related or not) and also pointing to the same perp? And I agree that baby plays significant role in a case. No call girl would go on a job with baby in tow.

Wherever actual crime happened, perp had to get to his or her place for red/purple towel (no hotel stocks red towels, at least not in Europe), pillow case, blanket for baby, garbage bags and to get somewhere that big plastic container as well. I wonder why pillow case, a bit odd. Was Peaches stabbed and murdered in her own bed?

PS: did you notice... blanket for a baby...
no plastic container, no garbage bag, no other trash, but a blanket for her. However weird it sounds, it really does seem that he cared about her...

 

[dc20015]

A 16 inch chain seems way too. It and the word chain is usually what rappers wear so ehh aren't they calling it a necklace? Also as someone who has many tattoos I think that's shading because to cover something up you have to add a lot of black or dark stuff cause any good artist doesn't want to fail at it and the skin should be more scarred I feel. As far as DNA go I think the manorville person knows dropping things in different counties makes stuff harder and knows New York doesn't really do familial DNA and it must be someone who can be in the area with totes without it seeming odd. A few questions is does he drop the hands feet etc off of each person in any pattern year or location wise? And no skulls? If so then does he keep the skulls? And why wasn't the baby more eaten by wild animals? A hungry one can smell dead stuff and would get through a blanket or towel but maybe she as in a tote? The male Asian I think tricked him by seeming to be a women so he killed him in anger for fooling him and I read he was trans and a lot of trans people take to prostitution to make money for surgery and often fall victims to harm. Also based on all I've read the girls are not high class escorts this person targets ones who often are desperate for money for drugs who won't have as much security or people looking for them. Because even if they were gorgeous before drugs I always see pretty girls worn down by drugs look wise. To the person they'll be less missed where a high class one will. I wonder if he has a order he leaves the parts also. It's like he's sprinkling a bit here a bit there. We need to list jobs this person could do and not seem odd and how close any homes are. This person could come to fish and kill a girl after then having bloody stuff or a tub might seem normal.

I don't think we have the info to determine if the "Asian male" was transgender in the true sense.


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[jessr927]

Wherever actual crime happened, perp had to get to his or her place for red/purple towel (no hotel stocks red towels, at least not in Europe), pillow case, blanket for baby, garbage bags and to get somewhere that big plastic container as well. I wonder why pillow case, a bit odd. Was Peaches stabbed and murdered in her own bed?

That plastic container may have already been in the house where she was killed. My mother has almost the exact same tub, which she uses to store our childhood stuff such as art work, report cards, etc.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

She has made it seem there's a group or site where all these girls or whatever upload incidents and warnings about violent or creepy johns.

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Respectfully snipped by me...

I came across this website the other night. Had to search for it again....

https://fakesugardaddiesexposed.wordpress.com/report-a-bad-guy/

This one was interesting....
January 8, 2009 at 11:34 pm
[FONT=&amp] met this guy named Jim O—— trader1234 on sugardaddyforme.com[/FONT][FONT=&amp]He is a humongous scammer con artist and want to be rock star. He lives in NYC and LONG ISLAND. He tells girls he is “looking for a relationship” and not an “arrangement” he says this so he can spend time with you/have sex with you and not give you anything while pretending he may (if you are so lucky) decide to make you his gf.............

Hope it is ok to post this, if not mods please remove.[/FONT]

 

[BigCityAccountant]

He could be trying to make us think the dismembered not ID'd ones are also hookers so we don't know what or who they are and to me dismembering someone says to me they made him rage or he hated them cause as far as I know only non white people were cut up and all the whole ones were white as far as I've seen.

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I could be wrong, but I do believe Fire Island Jane Doe (Namus 9098) was white and also dismembered.

https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/9098

 

[No it's not]

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I could be wrong, but I do believe Fire Island Jane Doe (Namus 9098) was white and also dismembered.

https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/9098

White, correct:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1019ufny.html

-Nin

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I went down the rabbit trail of Kamiyah Mobley who went missing in 1998 from a hospital in Jacksonville FL. The suspect, a black female, approx. 25-35 yea, was dressed in a nurse's blue floral smock and green scrub pants. She may wear wigs and glasses.

So, I went back to Peaches Namus profile and noticed it states under clothing and accessories "dark colored flowered apparent pillow case". So, I'm guessing they don't know for sure it is a pillow case? If that is the case, could it be a nurse's smock similar to this one?

I know she was found in 1997 and the two are not related, but I wonder if there is more to the story here such as a kidnapping ring? I know its been mentioned here before.

 

[Al Ka]

Could the gold jewelry be Haitian jewelry?
Tiffany Susan Westford (missing at age 2 in 1993 from amityville ny) and her mother are missing (Marie Catherine Dominique(missing at age 29 since 1993 from same). Neither have been heard from since although suspected to have left the country.

Interesting suggestion. Amityville is on Long Island.

Check the jewelry

Adding links to their case
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/westford_tiffany.html
http://www.forthelost.org/family/twestford.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8479/1/

 

[DakotaMayi]

Could the gold jewelry be Haitian jewelry?
Tiffany Susan Westford (missing at age 2 in 1993 from amityville ny) and her mother are missing (Marie Catherine Dominique(missing at age 29 since 1993 from same). Neither have been heard from since although suspected to have left the country.

Great suggestion.

Just a point about Darling. Can't a composite sketch be completed for her? Does anyone know why one has not been done? I didn't think the skull was missing in her case?