Was Burke Involved? # 4

[HarmonyE.]

Except, he said, as a child, he was scared.

He may have been scared about what was going to happen to him when the cops found out what happened. But once he felt confident nothing was going to happen to him he was unconcerned and happy to get on with his life.

 

[swb]

I've read every Douglas book. He's a genius but when it comes to the Ramsey case.....he didn't know his *advertiser censored* from his elbow.

IMO he was brought in early by Team Ramsey to taint him so he couldn't be a factor further down the road if he was ever brought in by BPD, FBI,etc. to help advise them on the case. Once Douglas claimed it was an intruder, Ramseys had no more use for him. Douglas claimed IDI without even getting to look at any of the evidence. One interesting thing about his profile of the killer is that half of it would fit someone in the house.....especially Patsy.

I always thought there are at least two people on earth who could've solved this case if they were handed all the files and could've interviewed the Ramseys.....Douglas and Ressler. Ressler is dead and Douglas ruined his reputation to an extent by defending the Ramseys when he didn't know all the facts.

Very Good analogy, agree completly!

 

[OliviaG1996]

Except, he said, as a child, he was scared. And Officer French said he was crying as he walked to the car. And he was curious, we heard him in the background of the call asking questions.

Of course BR is going to backtrack and say he was scared. I don't recall hearing he said that on the morning of the 26th, other than from JR, maybe.

When did Officer French say he was crying? FW didn't mention BR crying on the way to his house. Quite a shift of emotions if this is true.

 

[Tortoise]

Of course BR is going to backtrack and say he was scared. I don't recall hearing he said that on the morning of the 26th, other than from JR, maybe.

When did Officer French say he was crying? FW didn't mention BR crying on the way to his house. Quite a shift of emotions if this is true.

I don't understand why you say of course he would backtrack. It's what he said when he was asked why he stayed in his room, there wasn't anyone with him for him to say it to, when he was left in there alone.

Officer French said he was crying in his report. His report is in this link https://shakedowntitle.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/file-nov-23-6-43-55-pm.jpeg?w=676

 

[Tortoise]

"I did not speak to him other than to walk him to Mr [redacted] vehicle. He seemed confused and was crying" - Officer French

 

[OliviaG1996]

I don't understand why you say of course he would backtrack. It's what he said when he was asked why he stayed in his room, there wasn't anyone with him for him to say it to, when he was left in there alone.

Officer French said he was crying in his report. His report is in this link https://shakedowntitle.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/file-nov-23-6-43-55-pm.jpeg?w=676

I say of course he would backtrack because he voiced no concerns about his sister to LE while she was still presumed missing. Instead, he stuffed his face with a sandwich. He was asked why he stayed in his room years later.

Thanks for the source. Seems BR gets his acting abilities from his mother.

 

[Ambitioned]

I say of course he would backtrack because he voiced no concerns about his sister to LE while she was still presumed missing. Instead, he stuffed his face with a sandwich. He was asked why he stayed in his room years later.

Thanks for the source. Seems BR gets his acting abilities from his mother.

And the coldness/detachment. When he was being questioned about what happened, he was asked if he had any questions for the cops. He said yes and then, "Is that a real Rolex?" :shocked2: Wtf?!

Just getting on with his life I suppose.

 

[CorallaroC]

Now, as sleuthers go back to refrencing JR/PR interviews and various books written (including the ones written by the R's) please pay attention to any mention of BR staying in the basement of their hosts. IIRC, there are mentions of BR staying in the basement at the Paugh house in Atlanta shortly after the murder, again mentioned by Pam A. in her book/novel What the Pilots Wife Knew, and other references.

For a boy whose sister was murdered or at least found dead in a basement I should think that child would be at least a little uncomfortable being in one let alone sleeping in one (basement).

Just my observation of the historical record and my opinion...

 

[Wasp27]

This is what gets me...unless any one of us has been in the same or a highly similar situation then we cannot deem what is normal and what is not. I remember being burkes age exactly and my parents for divorced, we moved, and then boom my mom got breast cancer and went through chemo, puking and lost all her hair. And you know what I was worried about???? Other kids making fun of me or asking why my mom was bald. I was so mad and angry at the world and one time i blew up and said to my mom literally on her bed sick with cancer I hope you die! Kids cant process grief the way adults are supposed to. His reactions then and now to me are totally normal considering the circumstances. Another case in point, I have a friend whose sister was killed by a semi in front of her own eyes. She moved on pretty quick...that's how kids grieve

 

[Wasp27]

were incapable of imagining what he was going through bc we're all adults now. But don't any of you remember the strange world that is childhood? If not go read a Stephen king book, he'll capture it perfectly for you.

 

[southernmimi]

were incapable of imagining what he was going through bc we're all adults now. But don't any of you remember the strange world that is childhood? If not go read a Stephen king book, he'll capture it perfectly for you.

I agree with what you've written. I grew up as the only girl in a household of four children. Burke's behavior doesn't seem all that odd to me considering that he was only nine, and that we only know what others have told us. I'm doubtful that everything posted about him as a child has been totally correct. Many posters state they believe Burke murdered his sister out of jealousy, but I don't share those beliefs. I'll always go back twenty years to what my thoughts were at the time of JonBenet's death, and that is that her parents killed her. One by accidentally hitting her and the other by garroting her. Why they didn't decide to call for help rather than brutalizing this little girl is something I'll never understand.

 

[kanzz]

This is what gets me...unless any one of us has been in the same or a highly similar situation then we cannot deem what is normal and what is not. I remember being burkes age exactly and my parents for divorced, we moved, and then boom my mom got breast cancer and went through chemo, puking and lost all her hair. And you know what I was worried about???? Other kids making fun of me or asking why my mom was bald. I was so mad and angry at the world and one time i blew up and said to my mom literally on her bed sick with cancer I hope you die! Kids cant process grief the way adults are supposed to. His reactions then and now to me are totally normal considering the circumstances. Another case in point, I have a friend whose sister was killed by a semi in front of her own eyes. She moved on pretty quick...that's how kids grieve

You're absolutely correct about everyone processing grief differently - to an extent. I managed a hospice for about 3 years and lectured about grief as well as death & dying on occasion, so I have a little experience in this area. Your reaction to your mother's illness - with anger - was within the realm of normal. Burke Ramsey's reaction to JonBenet's death - with indifference - was not.

Also, your mother had an illness, your friend's sister was killed in an accident. JonBenet was brutally murdered in the home. For Burke not to fear for his own safety after that is quite telling.

But please.. Stephen King? Stephen King does not capture my childhood.

 

[icedtea4me]

He may have been scared about what was going to happen to him when the cops found out what happened. But once he felt confident nothing was going to happen to him he was unconcerned and happy to get on with his life.

Please provide the source where Burke is said to have said "I'm happy to get on with my life". Thank you.

 

[observation]

Please provide the source where Burke is said to have said "I'm happy to get on with my life". Thank you.

Much like JR stated he was ready to move on, BR stated he too wanted to move on with his life. It's in the DP interview. Apples never fall too far from the tree in my opinion.


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[Wasp27]

Read IT or The Body...of you can't identify with some of those kids feelings (which I find very universal) than that's cool. But king has always been able to capture that strangeness that is childhood imo

 

[HarmonyE.]

Much like JR stated he was ready to move on, BR stated he too wanted to move on with his life. It's in the DP interview. Apples never fall too far from the tree in my opinion.


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In his January 8, 1997 interview with child interview specialist Burke said "I'm basically just going on with my life".

 

[HarmonyE.]

Please provide the source where Burke is said to have said "I'm happy to get on with my life". Thank you.

In addition to what observation says above, in his January 8, 1997 talk with the child interview specialist Burke said (direct quote)
"I'm basically just going on with my life".

 

[HarmonyE.]

Read IT or The Body...of you can't identify with some of those kids feelings (which I find very universal) than that's cool. But king has always been able to capture that strangeness that is childhood imo

I agree that everyone grieves differently, but as kanzz says above, if we are to believe the Ramseys' story, Burke's fearlessness is truly remarkable considering the only other child in the household was kidnapped and brutally murdered in his home in the middle of the night. I don't think even Stephen King would conjure up such a fictional character for fear of it not being remotely believable. Unless, of course.....

 

[icedtea4me]

Much like JR stated he was ready to move on, BR stated he too wanted to move on with his life. It's in the DP interview. Apples never fall too far from the tree in my opinion.


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When Dr. Phil points out that some critics believe Burke seemed unfazed, at the time, by his sister's murder, Burke recalls, "I would just randomly cry out of nowhere." Looking at video showing him, at age 9, being interviewed about the gruesome murder of his sister, Burke explains about what some might call an unperturbed demeanor: "I guess this is the combination of sitting in there with this weird guy that I'd never talked to before asking personal questions - it’s a combination of that and at some point, you just have to move on. I’m not saying I moved on. Then kind of the other end is that I really didn’t get it, but you've got to stop crying at some point I guess."

http://www.drphil.com/videos/jonbenet-ramseys-brother-youve-got-to-stop-crying-at-some-point/

Why, gosh, golly gee! He did state those exact words "I wanted to move on with my life"!

 

[Wasp27]

Has anyone here ever been interviewed by a child psychologist as a kid???? Bc it is an extremely unnatural, uncomfortable situation. I remember this one lady was trying to test me for ADHD and I couldn't help but notice she started very deliberately tapping her pen...of course I lost focus! I feel immense empathy for Burke and support his lawsuit against spitz. Why is it so hard to believe that an intruder, likely a young man who worked for john in some way (and john probably was t even aware of him) felt slighted, maybe was suffering from a psychotic break, and did the crime? One he was in, and did the damage, he panicked. **** like this probably happens more than we think- not the exact situation but similar