UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #15

[TheTruthWillOut]

@Ruthbullock.

From memory the bike on the poster was just an example of anything unusual being recently abandoned/dumped/discarded.

Bike man is interesting to me because he is smartly dressed (uniform like) and riding a bike all around the centre of BSE at ~04:00 talking to taxi drivers. My first thought is he is looking for someone? I'm surprised he hasn't come forward yet or been recognised (AFAWK).

 

[mrseeker]

The phone is the complication to any theory. If he did accidentally drop it or leave it on the top of the bin, seems he would have gone back for it. How long does a young person go without thinking about their phone? I give it about 15 mins. The phone should be with him. I tend to think he walked back and got into trouble. I think the person spotted near the beet factory in light clothing was him. If you were attempting to walk to Honington from the HS you would pass near the Beet Factory. I think the logical route walking would be the A143 not the A134. I know the police searched the A134 route but wonder how much they check the A143 and the fields west of it. If he took the 143 and decided to take a short cut he would be much further east than where police searched. It's possible this area has been searched as well, just not in the press so much. But the phone being separated does make we wonder about suicide or foul play.

I guess is also possible when he realized he lost the phone, he was far enough away he concluded it was not worth going back for that old phone, or he never realized it before having an accident.

 

[eagle eyes]

The phone is the complication to any theory. If he did accidentally drop it or leave it on the top of the bin, seems he would have gone back for it. How long does a young person go without thinking about their phone? I give it about 15 mins. The phone should be with him. I tend to think he walked back and got into trouble. I think the person spotted near the beet factory in light clothing was him. If you were attempting to walk to Honington from the HS you would pass near the Beet Factory. I think the logical route walking would be the A143 not the A134. I know the police searched the A134 route but wonder how much they check the A143 and the fields west of it. If he took the 143 and decided to take a short cut he would be much further east than where police searched. It's possible this area has been searched as well, just not in the press so much. But the phone being separated does make we wonder about suicide or foul play.

This still doesn't present us with a reason he wasn't seen on cctv?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Can someone confirm where the bin lorry went after the Sainsbury's pickup in Mildenhall? Did it get tipped/sorted somewhere close to Mildenhall (but not the HWRC) or did the bin lorry tip it at a incinerator further afield? I feel this still isn't clear but might just be me...

 

[Amonet]

I have no solid theory on the bike, it's just always struck me as odd that from the very first day they asked people to look for an abandoned bike. I wonder if it has less to do with Corrie taking a bike and more to do with man on bike being seen later without a bike. Struggling to make any logical connections at the moment, it just strikes me as strange- bikes at that time of the morning aren't peoples usual choice of transport after a night out. Although we did have a case of my friends bike dissappearing one night after they had gone to bed and it reappeared the following evening with an anonymous note, thanking the owner for saving them from walking home.

That's not a bad idea, really. 'Borrow' a bike and ride back to Honington, then come back later Saturday on the bike, leave it where it was found and walk back to the car to drive back? It's still illegal to be drunk in charge of a bicycle, but it seems like a valid idea that fits with the only facts we really do know for sure -- that Corrie was in BSE, so was his car, he'd been drinking, and he had quarters at Honington.

If there are any cameras that are taking 'snapshots' rather than real-motion footage, then it's easier to evade them at bike speed.than at foot speed. People were asked if they'd seen Corrie walking down those roads, but he'd look somewhat different on a bike and you'd have less chance to take notice of a cyclist's appearance? He'd be riding without a helmet, though, and that might make him stand out, especially if the bike was wobbly due to the drink.

Surely if a bike did disappear from the horseshoe that night, it would have been noted and passed onto the Corrie investigation team? My other problem with this idea is that we'd have a missing bike as well as a missing man, and even if a body has degraded over time, the bike would just rust, and if it had had an accident then it'd probably be too buckled for someone else to take before both bike and rider could be found?

 

[mrseeker]

This still doesn't present us with a reason he wasn't seen on cctv?

I agree. I think the police are wrong. I think he walked out. Unless the police are wrong about the vehicles. Remember nobody is looking for Corrie until Monday. So when did the police stop looking at CCTV? For all we know he fell asleep somewhere well hidden and woke up on noon Saturday. Not likely. But the police claim four vehicles came and went from the HS during the time in question. Well what is their definition of the time? I am sure there were a lot more vehicles than 4 if you keep watching til at least noon. I think the police have missed something. Either he is in another bin picked up later, or he walked out, or he was let in to a building, or he was riding in a vehicle...he didn't just disappear. I think the most logical is he walked out after he relieved himself. But that darn phone is quite the complication no matter what theory. I remember years ago when i was a manager for a company. We had on cctv an employee had left a secure area with money instead of depositing it in this area. The security team sent me the tape and i viewed it following their report. Sure enough I saw the employee take money from a drop and disappear out of the frame. then on another camera leave the room. The employee insisted this did not happen. So i asked for the original tape not the dub. I continued to watch after the employee departed only to find out he had never departed. The person we saw leaving was actually another employee who wore the same uniform, same hair color, body shape and features. My point is, the police at some point have to decide what time frame is relevant, and they might be absolutely wrong. They are wrong about something or we would know.

 

[ZaZara]

I was wondering if Corrie was seen in the horseshoe area on earlier occasions?

Is there any CCTV material that puts him there around the same time at an earlier date? Like when he disappeared for some hours when he was out with his mates?

The reason I ask is that I found it strange that he did not return to his car, but went almost in the opposite direction. IMHO he might have had some relationship with someone who works late shifts or has a partner working early.
Wherever they met, Corrie did not have the key (and had to sleep in the street).

I also wondered if C had visited the HS before. It would suggest that there was some reason/ pattern behind him doing so. Also it is worth thinking he might be waiting for someone whose shift ended at 3 to 3.30, perhaps someone who worked in a nightclub (Flex?) or food joint.

BBM

Yep, a pattern. Instead of trying to infer something from the way he appears on the CCTV, try to find out if he came there more often. A different kind of pattern so to speak.

Something else that made me think that there may be a pattern and / or that Corrie had this planned, is that originally he would be going out with his friends, but due to a misunderstanding ended up left behind and had to take his own car.

Some years ago I knew someone who was a Corrie-like type of person. Outgoing and a friend of many, but he also had a part of his life he kept secret to most. He used to do things like that. Would somehow "miss" an appointment, then join the group later using his own car. So it seemed as if he was with his friends, and you could not really say that he wasn't, but at the same time he had his own agenda. Which, in the case of Corrie, led him to the HS at a certain moment. He could not have done that if he had been obliged to return in the car with his friends.

I find it hard to believe that he would have gone into one of those bins of his own accord. Not the way he was dressed in designer white and pink.
If he stayed in or near the HS and did not go into a building, he might have stepped into a car that was parked there and stayed parked.

IMHO so if CCTV would put him in this area more often around the same time of the night, this might shed a new light on the case.

 

[Shiressleuth]

@Ruthbullock.

From memory the bike on the poster was just an example of anything unusual being recently abandoned/dumped/discarded.

Bike man is interesting to me because he is smartly dressed (uniform like) and riding a bike all around the centre of BSE at ~04:00 talking to taxi drivers. My first thought is he is looking for someone? I'm surprised he hasn't come forward yet or been recognised (AFAWK).

I mentioned the talking to taxidrivers yesterday and also wondered if he could be a copper? What about a mil policeman? I have read that barracks towns sometimes have persons "keeping an eye out" to make sure personnel are safe especially since the suspected abductions and the Lee Rigby case. JMO.

 

[mrseeker]

I mentioned the bike before. I had wondered if a bike rider had just found the phone and took it. I am not sure if we have any real estimates of the speed the phone traveled other than it was too fast for walking.

 

[DanceCard]

the police have always said C could not have left the HS unseen 'on foot'.

Really? The police have 'always' said this?

I've been asking for a link of a direct quote of the police saying this for quite some time now. Can you link it please?
I saw some throwaway comment in MSM over the past couple of days that could be loosely saying similar, but so far I've only ever heard or read this coming from the family.
I think there are some other posters here too who haven't been aware of this.

 

[Colin]

Out on a road bike in the middle of the night dressed head to toe in dark clothing is plain weird. Was he looking to buy/sell drugs? Was CM talking to this guy at any point? Could drugs have been purchased for a party? Perhaps an overdose occurred followed by a cover-up?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I mentioned the talking to taxidrivers yesterday and also wondered if he could be a copper? What about a mil policeman? I have read that barracks towns sometimes have persons "keeping an eye out" to make sure personnel are safe especially since the suspected abductions and the Lee Rigby case. JMO.

The only reason I would say this isn't likely is that surely the military would have informed the Police on the quiet so as not to have his picture all over media?

Saying that... I was thinking from the little we know, could it be possible he was actually looking for Corrie? Someone mentioned that Corrie had plans to go to a house party somewhere and could this person have got worried he didn't show and went looking for him?

 

[Amonet]

In Nicola's video where she walks around the horseshoe area that isn't fully covered by cctv she seems to walk all the way to the street that running man appeared to turn down?

I wondered before if he could have gone back to Hughes doorway to check for Corrie's lost phone and then ran back to a car that was waiting for him (with Corrie in it) but Corrie's phone was actually on a bin in the horseshoe (left on top of a bin when he went to pee) so he ran back empty handed, the car they're in drives off and Corrie's phone goes in the bin lorry.

So I was wondering after watching that footage if a car could have been there, probably nothing to do with running man, but could Corrie have gone around that corner to a waiting vehicle while the Greenwoods camera was rotating? I can't remember which road is which now, but Nicola was standing outside the Cornhill centre opposite a road, not a pedestrianized street. So if cars could go down that road, would they have been noted by the police, or did the police assume that Corrie would have to get in a vehicle 'in' the horseshoe?

 

[kaytee]

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[Ruthbullock]

@Ruthbullock.

From memory the bike on the poster was just an example of anything unusual being recently abandoned/dumped/discarded.

Bike man is interesting to me because he is smartly dressed (uniform like) and riding a bike all around the centre of BSE at ~04:00 talking to taxi drivers. My first thought is he is looking for someone? I'm surprised he hasn't come forward yet or been recognised (AFAWK).

I didn't interpret it as an example of anything unusual, but that could be my misunderstanding. Attached a news article with the original poster for reference.
http://dalgetybaytoday.co.uk/specialists-called-in-over-fife-raf-serviceman-corrie

 

[Ruthbullock]

Really? The police have 'always' said this?

I've been asking for a link of a direct quote of the police saying this for quite some time now. Can you link it please?
I saw some throwaway comment in MSM over the past couple of days that could be loosely saying similar, but so far I've only ever heard or read this coming from the family.
I think there are some other posters here too who haven't been aware of this.

Quote from Suffolk police statement 21/10/16
The specialist RAF teams are joining police and Suffolk Lowland Search and Rescue volunteers to carry out line searching of wooded areas on possible routes Corrie may have tried to walk home.

There is no mention of not being able to leave on foot, or reference to how he may have left after this date- but at this point in the investigation, they obviously still believed he could be walking home (therefore on foot). I would think local police are pretty knowledgable of gaps etc in cc tv coverage as they will use it on an almost daily basis for allsorts of simple crimes around a busy shopping area. If they felt 100% he couldn't walk out, why not start by tracing any vehicles in the locality first rather than sending search parties out.

 

[Reallyodd]

I like the idea of the party, but surely someone taking him there or who saw him at the party would have come forward. Is there evidence that the ping of his phone showed it stopped at Tescos? If so has Tescos cctv been checked for this period of time to see if anyone is buying booze, cigarettes, condoms or the like? It would be a quiet time of the night so very few customers to look through IMO?

I guess that would depend on the circumstances of the party as to whether anyone would come forward. IIRC the pings showed him moving around BSE area for some time before it was picked up by the BM mast. The suggestion of Tesco was just me trying to fill in a bit of time so that it would be more likely to coincide with the bin lorry. I apologise if that has confused anybody. IMO the bin lorry is somewhat coincidental and I don't go along with the being in the bin theory. It was said that all routes out of BSE were checked on CCTV and I believe the Tesco roundabout was one of them. If he was on a bike, then he would be seen? If he was in a vehicle, probably wouldn't be. I doubt Tesco store would have been checked, but even if it has, maybe only the driver would have gone in.

 

[Rosegold68]

I'm late to this story, even though it's been around me for months

I'm thinking the answer to this will be most likely under our noses

 

[Reallyodd]

Two things that bug me:

1. That so much emphasis is on the HS, which is understandable as it was the last sighting of C, but he clearly did not stay there for very long. It's all been checked. Again, with the vehicles, too much emphasis on them, but what about vehicles elsewhere?

2. So much assumed reliance on CCTV being able to pick him up. Some of the cameras weren't working and some privately owned apparently not requested.

 

[Hexenb]

just had a quick look on the Forest Heath District Council website and it seems all taxi's require a three foot wide yellow/red taxi sign on the roof that that car doesn't appear to have?

I guess it is moot though as Police have already spoken to the driver.

My neighbour drives a cab the bubble (as he calls it) on the top can clip off really easy and he puts it in the boot .