Man Dragged off United Airlines/Flight Overbooked, April 2017

[Gunslinging Granny]

Airline staff claims he took a swing at security/police and he has a history of anger management issues, magical thinking and "poor decision making" these things are absolutely relevant. IKD who you are, if you are the slightest bit aggressive with police you are asking for trouble


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Watch the two different videos by passengers. There's no evidence that he took a swing at anyone. There is evidence that he was holding on to his seat with both hands while being pulled (assaulted).

 

[neesaki]

I want to clarify the plane was not overbooked thats just what UA is putting out. They were booked full with paying passengers, they needed 4 crew in the plane's destination city and the next flight wasn't until 3 the next day. So they were kicking off 4 paying passengers for their crew.

IMO they should have never boarded the plane and handled this at the gate. They can refuse boarding at the gate but dragging a man off(regardless of his shady background) is crazy.

I agree, we've been bumped from flights before, but accepted the money and on one occasion it also included a hotel room for the night. Well, on second thought when they asked we voluntarily gave up our seats thinking it would pay off, but it ended up not and we wouldn't make that mistake again. That said, we were informed of the situation BEFORE boarding the flight. I can just imagine how my husband would react if we had already boarded and they told us we had to get off the plane, it would definitely NOT be pretty. :scared:

I can't for the life of me figure out why United handled it in this manner. But I also wonder why this man left the plane, then turned around and came back on, and why he carried it to the lengths he did, but then I'm sure I must be missing something. I also don't think it's good policy to remove paying passengers for employees. They should have figured something else out and done whatever necessary to avoid a physical altercation, just inexcusable, IMO.

 

[Ironside]

Watch the two different videos by passengers. There's no evidence that he took a swing at anyone. There is evidence that he was holding on to his seat with both hands while being pulled (assaulted).

The videos do not show the entire showdown.

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[Gunslinging Granny]

I'm afraid to fly because my close friend died in the 1985 Delta crash in Dallas. If I had been in the plane when that man was being assaulted and drug off unconscious or halfway unconscious, I'd consider suing United for emotional distress and additional PTSD.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I agree, we've been bumped from flights before, but accepted the money and on one occasion it also included a hotel room for the night. Well, on second thought when they asked we voluntarily gave up our seats thinking it would pay off, but it ended up not and we wouldn't make that mistake again. That said, we were informed of the situation before boarding the flight. I can just imagine how my husband would react if we had already boarded and they told us we had to get off the plane, it would definitely NOT be pretty. :scared:

I can't for the life of me figure out why United handled it in this manner. But I also wonder why this man left the plane, then turned around and came back on, and why he carried it to the lengths he did, but then I'm sure I must be missing something. I also don't think it's good policy to remove paying passengers for employees. They should have figured something else out and done whatever necessary to avoid a physical altercation, just inexcusable, IMO.

I think he had a concussion after his head was whacked on the armrest. He looked dazed. He likely underwent concussion testing today at some health center.

 

[shadowdancer]

Isn't it convenient that none of the other numerous witnesses in the area saw the alleged swing that the passenger supposedly took at the officers trying to remove him from the plane? Only the staff members saw it.

I can smell something and it ain't lavender...

 

[LaneGirl]

This is the account of a passenger I read about on reddit...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...litzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories#

 

[LaneGirl]

UA apologizes...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/business/united-airline-passenger-overbooked-flights.html?_r=0

 

[shadowdancer]

I read somewhere that a passenger offered to volunteer for $1600, and the supervisor laughed in his face.

They are going to wish very dearly that they paid that $1600, because Dr Dao's settlement will be many, many times that amount.

 

[1&2&3]

This really upsets me! The ticket agent should have been counting people in the first place so that this never happened. The agent should have known how many employees had to get on that flight before he started loading it! The mistake is at the ticket agents desk.

Next, only employees that need that flight to get them to their connecting city for their flight in a timely manner are permitted on an overbooked flight. For example, the employee cannot go hours ahead of their time to report if there is a later flight that will get them to the city in time to report to work. There are rules for this.

Every person on that flight, in a seat, has the freedom to fly or take the bump. There are different reasons for each person and no one should be forced to give up their seat! Where are our rights and freedoms!

The first thing that comes to mind is IF you checked luggage and bump to another flight, what are the chances of losing your luggage? Great, in my opinion in the world today!

Lastly, this mans background is of no concern to any of us. This one incident is of prime importance and needs to be dealt with only! There are few of us that would like to be ORDERED off a plane! Each of us would have a different reaction, many would not go quietly. IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

This is the account of a passenger I read about on reddit...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...litzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories#

Soon after, the airline deboarded the plane to clean up blood from the incident.

What a **** show.

 

[Cryptic]

He's an internal specialist with five children, four of whom are ALSO doctors. What an absolute travesty.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4401444/Name-man-hauled-United-flight-Chicago-revealed.html

The plane was full of other people with important (at least to them) plans and needs as well. There is no indication that the doctor presented evidence of a pending surgery the next morning that would warrant de-selecting him as a "volunteer". So, the fact pattern is:

- A human (neither his social status, nor the social status of his children matter), bought a ticket whose contract allows modifications to be made to the arrangements.
- He then repeatedly refuses to adhere to the contract. Perhaps he thinks that he is exempt?
- Once the contract is enforced, he tries to force his way back on the plane (bad idea after 9-11).
- The humanis is educated. He knows that following 9-11, disruptions on planes of any sort, by any person, for any motivation are taken very seriously. This is true even for doctors.
- He then wonders why force was used..... .

They are going to wish very dearly that they paid that $1600, because Dr Dao's settlement will be many, many times that amount.

United would wish that I was on the jury. I don't see the guy as a martyr at all. This is doubly so after he forced himself back on the plane. After 9-11 disruptions on planes are ended quickly. It does not matter whether the person in question is a doctor or an unemployed refugee from Iraq.

There are different reasons for each person and no one should be forced to give up their seat! Where are our rights and freedoms!

They don't apply in this case. Each ticket is sold with a clause allowing for bumping. People are free use their economic freedom to establish their own airline with different rules, to not enter into the contract by buying a ticket, or to say, hire a private charter aircraft.

 

[shadowdancer]

Call me cynical and uncaring, but the plane was full of other people with important (at least to them) plans and needs as well. There is no indication that the doctor presented evidence of an emergent need (say, a pending surgery the next morning) that would warrant de-selecting him as a "volunteer". So, the fact pattern is:

- A human (neither his social status, nor the social status of his children matter), bought a ticket whose contract allows modifications to be made to the arrangements.
- He then repeatedly refuses to adhere to the contract. Perhaps he thinks he is exempt?
- Once the contract is enforced, he tries to force his way back on the plane.
- As an educated human, he knows that following 9-11, disruptions on planes of any sort, by any person, for any motivation are taken seriously
- He then wonders why force was used..... .

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So that makes it ok to cause this man to have blood pouring from his mouth?

Victim blaming much?

 

[LietKynes]

He has had quite the troubled past. O.O

"The father of five, who has won sympathy globally over the incident, was given a suspended jail sentence for illegally obtaining and trafficking controlled substances by fraud and deceit....... He was also found to have in engaged in sex with a male patient- Brian Case, who he knew from the church they both attended - and then supplied him with drugs, including Oxycontin, in exchange for sexual favors.

The sexual liaisons, which happened motel rooms, were recorded by undercover agents. He paid $200 in cash each time he met Case.

The secret sex and drugs life of the doctor first came to light in in July 2003 when police alerted the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure of the allegations against him.

In October 2003 he was indicted by a Jefferson County Grand Jury for 'criminal acts of trafficking in a controlled substance, obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit, and unauthorized prescribing, dispensing or administering of controlled substances'.

His medical license was suspended later that month."


Much more including excerpts from the court mandated psychiatrist's findings at the link.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dail...gged-United-swapped-drugs-secret-gay-sex.html


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RSBM

Just my .02 that despite his troubled past... this had little or nothing to do with this case.
My god that was disrespectful of United.
HE PAID FOR HIS FLIGHT. What part of that do they (United) not understand ?

They should have upped the price until they had a taker -- or just put their staff on a different flight and/or different airline.

Yes, he could have just left and not refused or made a 'scene'. But it wasn't like he was on the flight illegally. His ticket was paid for.

Off-topic : Love your avatar, keeleydoll !! Is that your bunny ??
My son had a dwarf Hotot growing up ; and your av. reminded me of her !!

 

[bluesneakers]

So that makes it ok to cause this man to have blood pouring from his mouth?

Victim blaming much?

Even UA is taking responsibility and saying he was mistreated.

 

[shadowdancer]

United would wish that I was on the jury. I don't see the guy as a martyr at all. This is doubly so after he forced himself back on the plane. After 9-11 disruptions on planes are ended quickly. It does not matter whether the person in question is a doctor or an unemployed refugee from Iraq.

Sorry, but it is clear from the videos that the mans head got bashed against the arm rest. The video of the man after he returned to the plane is very consistent with concussion and/or shock.

I expect his medical report during the lawsuit will detail his injuries so we will get that information then.

 

[Cryptic]

So that makes it ok to cause this man to have blood pouring from his mouth?

Victim blaming much?

When he forced his way back on the plane (a very bad idea after 9-11- it does not matter what his social status is), and then continued to resist, he risked injury to himself. In this case, the injury was relatively minor.

 

[Cryptic]

Sorry, but it is clear from the videos that the mans head got bashed against the arm rest. The video of the man after he returned to the plane is very consistent with concussion and/or shock.

Ok, he was hit in the head. People trying to force themselves on a plane are taking certain risks. Though United could have handled it differently, people having temper tantrums and trying to force themselves on a plane need to realize that force can be used against them.

 

[shadowdancer]

When he forced his way back on the plane (a very bad idea after 9-11- it does not matter what his social status is), and then continued to resist, he risked injury to himself. In this case, the injury was relatively minor.

We have crossed posts here, I have addressed this in the post above yours.

 

[bluesneakers]

When he forced his way back on the plane (a very bad idea after 9-11- it does not matter what his social status is), and then continued to resist, he risked injury to himself. In this case, the injury was relatively minor.

We don't know the full extent of his injuries.