Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #13 *Arrest*

[staunchcharacter]

Good Morning America interview with TC's wife and daughters this am.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-ten...apping-student-daddywe-home/story?id=46782948


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well that was super sad to watch. Incredible how he abandoned his entire family to go on the run like this.

 

[staunchcharacter]

The FBI specialist in the Good Morning America episode said, that "of course they could have" crossed into Canada or Mexico. He said there are remote places where it's possible to cross.

He is speculating, of course.

And Holy Smokes, JC says she loves him and forgives him, but can never trust him. While his girls try to encourage him to do the right thing by offering support and reminding him of a scripture verse he often talked about with them while growing up.

JC also said she didn't know about TC and Elizabeth's relationship and neither did anyone else bc Tad had always liked everyone and was often helping others etc.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

BBM

I think she forgives him because that is the Christian thing to do. Clearly it is heartbreaking to have a person you have loved and trusted for decades betray you and abandon the life and family you created. You can't turn off love just like that. But the betray of trust in her eyes clearly warrants divorce. I'm sure they are also being mindful of what they say because they want him to just come home and if she goes on there and says "eff that ***hole.." it isn't going to help much with convincing him to give up. I imagine she has had many moments where she is thinking eff him, of course.

 

[Blythe]

Shame is TC's family's explanation for why he ran away. I can reason that.

It doesn't explain why he kidnapped or even just took ET with him unless, IMO, he felt he was helping her escape something as well.

Was her motive also shame? Or was it fear? Or was it something else? Or was she fully taken against her will?

 

[pegs]

Watched GMA and thought JC did well. I suspect that, while really hurting, she is a strong woman and it wouldn't surprise me if throughout her marriage she has been the responsible and reliable person and Tad was like a 3rd child that never grew up.

I felt bad for the daughters, they kept saying they wanted him to come home. I hope they realize if he is captured or turns himself in, he won't be going home. JC also kept saying it wasn't the Tad she knew, again I question if she is somehow giving him a pass? Like this just happened out of the blue or he is not completely responsible? It makes me still wonder if a culture of denial regarding the severity of this still may persist in that town. Perhaps they were coached too as a way to tug at Gramps heartstrings...IMO a longshot because it is pretty obvious he is bankrupt in that area. JMHO.

 

[MsMtOlympus]

Just an FYI. I contacted the state parks in all 50 states. I know some are very unlikely, but it cannot hurt. I asked each of the parks to pass the information onto any other relevant areas so hopefully they will. Also, I was talking with my husband tonight and he mentioned national lakes which I will contact tomorrow.

:yourock:

This is wonderful, thank you PP!

 

[BIC]

Watched GMA and thought JC did well. I suspect that, while really hurting, she is a strong woman and it wouldn't surprise me if throughout her marriage she has been the responsible and reliable person and Tad was like a 3rd child that never grew up.

I felt bad for the daughters, they kept saying they wanted him to come home. I hope they realize if he is captured or turns himself in, he won't be going home. JC also kept saying it wasn't the Tad she knew, again I question if she is somehow giving him a pass? Like this just happened out of the blue or he is not completely responsible? It makes me still wonder if a culture of denial regarding the severity of this still may persist in that town. Perhaps they were coached too as a way to tug at Gramps heartstrings...IMO a longshot because it is pretty obvious he is bankrupt in that area. JMHO.

I guess to them even if he comes home to be punished that would still be better than burying him or just never even seeing him again. This whole case is just so sad for so many people it makes my stomach turn.

 

[OtisC]

Shame is TC's family's explanation for why he ran away. I can reason that.

It doesn't explain why he kidnapped or even just took ET with him unless, IMO, he felt he was helping her escape something as well.

Was her motive also shame? Or was it fear? Or was it something else? Or was she fully taken against her will?

I could be completely wrong on this, but, I think in his mind he needed an escape. Not just a geographical escape but, also, from regrets. At his age, he may feel trapped in a life without purpose and a waning time of opportunity. At some point in life, several us wonder "what might have been". This is especially true when you compare your everyday life with what is posted on social media. The reality is that life is not meant for a few great moments, it is about everyday moments. I think Tad got caught up in comparing his real life to the fantasy life he envisioned.

He saw an opportunity to not only escape but to do so as a hero for another person. In his mind, he is rescuing the pretty damsel in distress. He can reason why he is the hero for giving up his life in order to rescue her. He can justify his actions to himself by believing he is the strong and courageous hero he was always meant to be. Her following him and trusting him and giving herself to him only reaffirms the rightness of his actions.

I know this all sounds like a fairy tale and that is exactly the escape both Tad and Elizabeth and trying to capture. In reality it is basic emotional needs of men and women. Emotions are what drive so many of our decisions, especially irrational ones. Our mind then tries to create a world that justifies the decision. In this case, that world is a fantasy of the hero and the girl living in a tropical paradise forever.

This scenario is the primary basis for my theory that they are on the run, rather than hiding out, to that tropical paradise. For Tad, that very well could be a place and lifestyle he was exposed to on a mission trip in Central America. That place has the tropical weather, access to beaches, simple lifestyle, low cost of living, and far away from the past realities of life. At the same time, it is a place with less risk of being sought. It has the long term possibilities they see in their fantasy future.

From a drive time perspective, they could be there now.

How do they get caught? They may be found by an inquisitive vacationer or mission team member. They may seek medical help and recognized. Elizabeth may realize that this is just another case of entrapment for her and seek help. Tad may have a spiritual moment and turn himself in. These are all the positives and I hope it is the way this ends.

The above is my opinion only.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

BBM

I think she forgives him because that is the Christian thing to do. Clearly it is heartbreaking to have a person you have loved and trusted for decades betray you and abandon the life and family you created. You can't turn off love just like that. But the betray of trust in her eyes clearly warrants divorce. I'm sure they are also being mindful of what they say because they want him to just come home and if she goes on there and says "eff that ***hole.." it isn't going to help much with convincing him to give up. I imagine she has had many moments where she is thinking eff him, of course.

Agreed. She did say she rotates between grief and anger.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Kapua]

Well that was super sad to watch. Incredible how he abandoned his entire family to go on the run like this.

I won't be able to watch the whole show until later, but I am DVR-ing it. TC has a beautiful family. It was very courageous of them to go on camera and share their pain with the whole country. I hope it will bring enough attention to this case and more people will start looking for TC and ET.

I am sharing this morning's weather map. We get some chilly mornings and evenings on the left coast this time of year. If they are camping, they will need some serious gear. If they did come to CA, they may have turned back by now, in favor of sunnier shores.

 

[MsMtOlympus]

Watched GMA and thought JC did well. I suspect that, while really hurting, she is a strong woman and it wouldn't surprise me if throughout her marriage she has been the responsible and reliable person and Tad was like a 3rd child that never grew up.

I felt bad for the daughters, they kept saying they wanted him to come home. I hope they realize if he is captured or turns himself in, he won't be going home. JC also kept saying it wasn't the Tad she knew, again I question if she is somehow giving him a pass? Like this just happened out of the blue or he is not completely responsible? It makes me still wonder if a culture of denial regarding the severity of this still may persist in that town. Perhaps they were coached too as a way to tug at Gramps heartstrings...IMO a longshot because it is pretty obvious he is bankrupt in that area. JMHO.

BBM

Definite man-child syndrome going on here. I strongly suspect that while TC had the upper hand in terms of making household decisions (for example, I doubt JC would have run them to the ground financially not just once but twice) and dictating the overall dynamic of the relationship (as manipulators tend to do) my guess is that JC was both a mommy AND a wife to TC which he probably resented despite the fact that his immaturity gave her no choice but to take on both roles.

I have to be honest here and say that I disagree that the Cummins family "did well" or that Jill is a strong woman. TC is purposely not with a strong woman because his personality type requires a partner who exhibits subservient tendencies in order to feel in control and secure about themselves. Oh, and there's someone's name they didn't mention that REALLY NEEDED TO BE MENTIONED. It's like they're so in denial about the kidnapping aspect that they've talked themselves into a scenario where Tad ran off with a 22 year old stripper. I can only conclude from this interview that the family is deeply traumatized and will need time and therapy to get to the other side and in the meantime, should not be agreeing to press appearances.

 

[BIC]

I could be completely wrong on this, but, I think in his mind he needed an escape. Not just a geographical escape but, also, from regrets. At his age, he may feel trapped in a life without purpose and a waning time of opportunity. At some point in life, several us wonder "what might have been". This is especially true when you compare your everyday life with what is posted on social media. The reality is that life is not meant for a few great moments, it is about everyday moments. I think Tad got caught up in comparing his real life to the fantasy life he envisioned.

He saw an opportunity to not only escape but to do so as a hero for another person. In his mind, he is rescuing the pretty damsel in distress. He can reason why he is the hero for giving up his life in order to rescue her. He can justify his actions to himself by believing he is the strong and courageous hero he was always meant to be. Her following him and trusting him and giving herself to him only reaffirms the rightness of his actions.

I know this all sounds like a fairy tale and that is exactly the escape both Tad and Elizabeth and trying to capture. In reality it is basic emotional needs of men and women. Emotions are what drive so many of our decisions, especially irrational ones. Our mind then tries to create a world that justifies the decision. In this case, that world is a fantasy of the hero and the girl living in a tropical paradise forever.

This scenario is the primary basis for my theory that they are on the run, rather than hiding out, to that tropical paradise. For Tad, that very well could be a place and lifestyle he was exposed to on a mission trip in Central America. That place has the tropical weather, access to beaches, simple lifestyle, low cost of living, and far away from the past realities of life. At the same time, it is a place with less risk of being sought. It has the long term possibilities they see in their fantasy future.

From a drive time perspective, they could be there now.

How do they get caught? They may be found by an inquisitive vacationer or mission team member. They may seek medical help and recognized. Elizabeth may realize that this is just another case of entrapment for her and seek help. Tad may have a spiritual moment and turn himself in. These are all the positives and I hope it is the way this ends.

The above is my opinion only.

While I do respect your opinion, and think he may try to use something along those lines as a defense, I think it is much more simple than that. TC is attracted to young girls, has been grooming them for years, it finally caught up to him and it was either face the consequences of the investigation that was happening which would include not being able to be around all these girls after losing his job, so the only thing left to do is take ET and run. It is all for his personal satisfaction. IMO

 

[Deleted member 155000]

BBM

Definite man-child syndrome going on here. I strongly suspect that while TC had the upper hand in terms of making household decisions (for example, I doubt JC would have run them to the ground financially not just once but twice) and dictating the overall dynamic of the relationship (as manipulators tend to do) my guess is that JC was both a mommy AND a wife to TC which he probably resented despite the fact that his immaturity gave her no choice but to take on both roles.

I have to be honest here and say that I disagree that the Cummins family "did well" or that Jill is a strong woman. TC is purposely not with a strong woman because his personality type requires a partner who exhibits subservient tendencies in order to feel in control and secure about themselves. Oh, and there's someone's name they didn't mention that REALLY NEEDED TO BE MENTIONED. It's like they're so in denial about the kidnapping aspect that they've talked themselves into a scenario where Tad ran off with a 22 year old stripper. I can only conclude from this interview that the family is deeply traumatized and will need time and therapy to get to the other side and in the meantime, should not be agreeing to press appearances.

I don't think we know enough about the circumstances to judge, but I don't feel comfortable taking away from her interview or her strength. JC has been betrayed and humiliated and she is able to compose herself, gather her convictions, and look into a camera and tell all Americans very clearly that what Tad has done was wrong and plead with him to come back and make things right.

I think she has some core strength and I have no business suggesting she hasn't always had it. Especially in such a vulnerable time.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[pegs]

BBM

Definite man-child syndrome going on here. I strongly suspect that while TC had the upper hand in terms of making household decisions (for example, I doubt JC would have run them to the ground financially not just once but twice) and dictating the overall dynamic of the relationship (as manipulators tend to do) my guess is that JC was both a mommy AND a wife to TC which he probably resented despite the fact that his immaturity gave her no choice but to take on both roles.

I have to be honest here and say that I disagree that the Cummins family "did well" or that Jill is a strong woman. TC is purposely not with a strong woman because his personality type requires a partner who exhibits subservient tendencies in order to feel in control and secure about themselves. Oh, and there's someone's name they didn't mention that REALLY NEEDED TO BE MENTIONED. It's like they're so in denial about the kidnapping aspect that they've talked themselves into a scenario where Tad ran off with a 22 year old stripper. I can only conclude from this interview that the family is deeply traumatized and will need time and therapy to get to the other side and in the meantime, should not be agreeing to press appearances.

You make some really good points here. Sure looks like that family and town have boatloads of denial and rationalization issues to deal with.

 

[OtisC]

While I do respect your opinion, and think he may try to use something along those lines as a defense, I think it is much more simple than that. TC is attracted to young girls, has been grooming them for years, it finally caught up to him and it was either face the consequences of the investigation that was happening which would include not being able to be around all these girls after losing his job, so the only thing left to do is take ET and run. It is all for his personal satisfaction. IMO

No doubt that this is for his personal satisfaction. He has a great need to be in control and be a hero. A young impressionable girl with emotional needs makes the perfect supporting actor in his fantasy.

The above is my opinion only.

 

[MsMtOlympus]

I don't think we know enough about the circumstances to judge, but I don't feel comfortable taking away from her interview or her strength. JC has been betrayed and humiliated and she is able to compose herself, gather her convictions, and look into a camera and tell all Americans very clearly that what Tad has done was wrong and plead with him to come back and make things right.

I think she has some core strength and I have no business suggesting she hasn't always had it. Especially in such a vulnerable time.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Beautifully stated and I greatly respect your perspective.

 

[Kapua]

I don't think we know enough about the circumstances to judge, but I don't feel comfortable taking away from her interview or her strength. JC has been betrayed and humiliated and she is able to compose herself, gather her convictions, and look into a camera and tell all Americans very clearly that what Tad has done was wrong and plead with him to come back and make things right.

I think she has some core strength and I have no business suggesting she hasn't always had it. Especially in such a vulnerable time.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This case needed more national attention, and JC and her daughters stepped forward to shine the spotlight on it on nationwide TV. Hopefully, leads will start coming in again, and Elizabeth will come home.

 

[pegs]

I am sure hoping that the GMA coverage generates some sightings! :copcar: It's time to bring ET home and put Tad Cummins where he belongs.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Good Morning America interview with TC's wife and daughters this am.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-ten...apping-student-daddywe-home/story?id=46782948


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I am very sad for the family. Made me cry. That situation must be mega painful. And the daughters are loving, forgiving gals it appears.
I just hope that JC can heal in time. I went through an abusive 30 year marriage. Crazy, he was the reverse in public. I had a death of a bf, and a couple bfs that cheated on me. Ay yi yi yi yi. Im healing with time. She seems like she is super nice, and has church support. Hoping she can have her own 'happy ending' as she journeys through this mess.
Something appears seriously wrong with TC, though, but she didn't see any signs of a problem. Don't know what that all means.
I definitely respect them for going public. It helps get the word out there.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Deleted member 172065]

I wonder if he did this though? I think LE would know and maybe wouldn't have issued the be on the alert to pharmacies. I'm hoping he didn't know about it. It would be nice to get a fix via a refill somewhere.

They never let me get more than one month with my prescriptions here.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Mom24]

You make some really good points here. Sure looks like that family and town have boatloads of denial and rationalization issues to deal with.

It's not unusual for the family and wives to be in denial and try to rationalize this kind of thing. Picture this, you're 50 years old, you got married at 19, raised children, have grandchildren. Not only did you have children, you had daughters, they were once 15, and they had friends around who were 15. Now you find out your husband groomed and manipulated a 15 year old and kidnapped her. This isn't another woman he ran off with, this is twisted and you're trying to understand it all in context. I sat outside a hospital room while a medical teams was trying to repair the physical damage done to a child who had been sexually assaulted by her mother's boyfriend. The mother was sitting in the hallway being restrained because she was mad at her daughter. The child was 10 years old and the mother was screaming that the child had enticed him because she couldn't face the reality of the situation. Everyone who knew TC is trying to figure out how they could have liked a pervert. It's hard to do. It's not shocking to me that the town is calling ET names and victim blaming, it's a stage of grief and when they get past it, they'll be there to really support each other and the true victims in this case.