UID Victim: The Female Toddler, UP9704, found Gilgo Beach Apr 2011

It interests me that the toddler was not dismembered, but her mother was. Also the toddler was left with her blanket correct? These two things lead me to believe that the mother was the target and the toddler was collateral damage and viewed as a burden. It also tells me that possibly the killer wanted only to make an example of the mother, yet not the child, b/c the mother was dismembered. I kind of feel like the child was just "there" when the mother was murdered and the killer just had to rid of the child somehow. I've wondered often if the child was murdered before being left off the side of the road or if she passed away due to the elements :( How did the child die? This would tell us much about her murderer.

Also, I'm not positive that peaches and the toddler are victims of LISK. I've been thinking more along the lines of a domestic relation or someone who was associated with the mother on a daily basis. Why would Peaches Doe be left with her tattoo (LISK presumably removes tattoos) and other items of evidence like the rubbermaid tub and pillow covers AND the toddler left with jewelry and a blanket, yet her killer made sure to obscure her identity by dismembering her? I think Peaches was intended to be found with some identifying features to leave an impression on those who knew her, but could not come forward. It could have been a pimp wishing to intimidate his other working girls or drug runners.

I don't think LISK would be so disorganized to leave Peaches like that and also have the added burden of murdering her while her child was with her. Also LISKS proven victim profiles are typically young women who appear to be caucasian (the 4 in burlap). *However he could have made exceptions to this early on with his first victims b/c he was less savvy and had to choose victims of opportunity/anyone high risk regardless of race.*

as far as the race of the toddler and mother, I tend to think biracial black and white. JMOO :)
How do you know LISK erased tattoos?
 
Didn't LISK try to cut off Jessica Taylor's tattoo, but there was enough left to make an ID of the tat? Wasn't Manorville Jane Doe missing a tattoo as well that the killer cut off?
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likely serial killer on Long Island[FONT=&amp] has been identified as 20-year-old Jessica Taylor, a woman[/FONT] whose dismembered body was found in Manorville in July of 2003, with her head and hands missing, and a tattoo gouged off her hip, just off Halsey-Manor Road[FONT=&amp], Suffolk County police said Monday. "

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http://archive.longislandpress.com/2011/05/09/jessica-taylor-identified-as-skull-on-ocean-parkway/

'This woman would have been last seen alive in the late summer/fall of 2000,' said Dormer, who added the woman probably had some kind of tattoo or identifying mark on her right ankle since that part of her was cut off by her killer." (LI Press)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Doe-remains-locatedv-Nov-2000-amp-April-2011

Yet whoever murdered Peaches did not cut off her tattoo! Which makes me think the Toddler and Peaches were victims of a whole other monster than LISK. Then again, maybe LISK realized he messed up with his disposal of Peaches and leaving the tattoo and decided to remove the tattoos from that point forward. Could be him, couldn't be him.
 
Hello, I thought the same question and did some digging to at least identify the styles of the mother's bracelet's. The one style is an "Omega" bracelet and the other is an "X" Link, both Yellow Gold. It doesn't seem as if these pieces were mass produced for a Jewelry chain like Zales, Kay, etc... Here are the links to the sites where I found similar style bracelets:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/391618637096?clk_rvr_id=1155933711231&rmvSB=true#cvip_desc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14k-Italian...345725?hash=item33c6e6c97d:g:QSAAAOSwaB5Xtzs7

I also like to note that I believe the jewelry found on the mother is Gold Plated since it appears to have little spots of silverish metal showing.


Is there any way to determine where the jewelry may have been purchased?
 
It was the jewelry of the times nothing special, Kmart quality. too bad it wasn't better jewelry and engraved.
 
Since there has been some speculation about what the actual race of Peaches and the toddler may be and the tattoo hasn't led to anything yet, I decided to look for missing mother/daughter duos from around the timeline. Here are the cases I found:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/westford_tiffany.html Tiffany Westford/Marie Dominique missing from Amityville, NY since November 13, 1993 (I know this case has been discussed for a while here but since I do not see it as being submitted, and the evidence about Marie being in Haiti haven't been verified I'm posting it).
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/munoz_nathalia.html Nathalia Munoz/Patricia Echeverri, missing from Franklin Square, NY since August 24, 1996
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1634dffl.html Cynthia and Makri Pfenninger, missing from Coral Springs, FL since May 6, 1994
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1859dffl.html Vivian Trout/Marina Lopez, missing from Miami Beach, FL since April 6, 1997
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2881dfok.html Angela and Lilia Burns, missing from Midwest City, OK since March 7, 1994
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1180dffl.html Kelsi and Kelli Krum, missing from Arcadia, FL since August 11, 1994
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1718dfnc.html Brenttany Hughes and Robby Ann Floyd Hughes, missing from Fayetteville, NC since December 1, 1996 (there were other children involved and there have been reports of the missing group also including adults relocating to Arizona and Alabama).
 
I thought Angela burns and her mom were a fantastic candidate. Then I found them on fb and it appears they're living in Mexico.
 
I also found Cynthia Pffeninger on fb and upon looking further realized she had also been officially located a few years ago
Thank you! You're apparently really good at searching fb -I might ask for some help with that in the future. So, that looks like it leaves:

Tiffany Westford/Marie Dominique
Nathalia Munoz/Patricia Echeverri
Vivian Trout/Marina Lopez (IMO mother probably too old)
Kelsi and Kelli Krum (It looks like the cousin might have been the perp and it looks like they're White)
Brenttany Hughes and Robby Ann Floyd Hughes (IMO I doubt it's them because there's other kids and adults involved)

So, it looks like the first two might be worth looking at more -they're also the ones who went missing from right on LI.
 
Thank you! You're apparently really good at searching fb -I might ask for some help with that in the future. So, that looks like it leaves:

Tiffany Westford/Marie Dominique
Nathalia Munoz/Patricia Echeverri
Vivian Trout/Marina Lopez (IMO mother probably too old)
Kelsi and Kelli Krum (It looks like the cousin might have been the perp and it looks like they're White)
Brenttany Hughes and Robby Ann Floyd Hughes (IMO I doubt it's them because there's other kids and adults involved)

So, it looks like the first two might be worth looking at more -they're also the ones who went missing from right on LI.

Tiffany has been talked about so many times I'm shocked she hasn't been submitted!!!! Let me know if you need anything! When I get a moment I'll look a little deeper on the web!
 
Tiffany has been talked about so many times I'm shocked she hasn't been submitted!!!! Let me know if you need anything! When I get a moment I'll look a little deeper on the web!

Me too! Thanks, I might PM you sometime when I'm sleuthing. I haven't had much luck on fb searches but I don't have anything specific I need help with at the moment.
 
It makes no sense... a mother and a toddler disappear and no one reports them missing?!
 
It makes no sense... a mother and a toddler disappear and no one reports them missing?!

This is what surprises me too. Sure the child probably wasn’t school age (so no head start teacher) but people tend to notice if a child disappears.

My only thought can be that somehow they were entirely off the radar - so much so that this child might not have even had a birth certificate. I’ve heard stories of Home births for those who fear Child Services might take their child - especially in drug cases

If there’s no official record of birth - it’s impossible to track if the person is missing


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Can someone correct me here. I thought years ago police said they had a suspect in these murders. However he was presently in jail and they did not have the evidence available to charge him yet? Is this correct or was this a different case?


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Can someone correct me here. I thought years ago police said they had a suspect in these murders. However he was presently in jail and they did not have the evidence available to charge him yet? Is this correct or was this a different case?


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Im not sure of the question. You used the phrase "years ago" and term" presently".
Are you referring to Burke?
 
my only thought about the police not wanting the help of the public is ??? This police dept has a lot of faults and now this is one more bad negative thing I have heard about this police department SAD
 

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