OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #27

[Jax49]

There is a lot of info to extract from this interview today. Can anyone understand what "Bed Bath or Bed Fast" means at 3:36?

http://m.fox19.com/fox19/db/330522/content/KNdioPhG/gallery

Here's what I hear:

"We had to send a cop back in the house three times to find my grandson just because he's in between the bed and the wall."

ETA: I missed the "bedfast" comment the first time. It is at abt 2:40. Wonder who the invalid is?

 

[Betty P]

Here's what I hear:

"We had to send a cop back in the house three times to find my grandson just because he's in between the bed and the wall."

Yes, he's not happy.

Who was the woman who whispered in his ear at the end? He kind of smiled and said he had to go.

 

[smc1225]

Here's what I hear:

"We had to send a cop back in the house three times to find my grandson just because he's in between the bed and the wall."

I heard that too. And I don't remember that ever being mentioned.

 

[Betty P]

I heard that too. And I don't remember that ever being mentioned.

I've heard it before, but not sure if it was in the news media or a rumor. Supposedly, CRJr was found between the mattress and the wall. LE didn't find him at first.

 

[rsd1200]

There is a lot of info to extract from this interview today. Can anyone understand what "Bed Bath or Bed Fast" means at 3:36?

http://m.fox19.com/fox19/db/330522/content/KNdioPhG/gallery

Bedfast. They are confined to bed.

 

[Tiff23fr]

This link?

http://www.fox19.com/story/35453014...of-arrests-investigators-couldnt-catch-a-cold

Yes, thank you.
I picked up the bed and wall part on Junior, AM has had polygraphs, and couldn't understand the bedfast part.

 

[Audrey Horne]

Yes, he's not happy.

Who was the woman who whispered in his ear at the end? He kind of smiled and said he had to go.

Pretty sure that's JM's wife AM. She and Leonard are walking away with JM's and her son GM.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Ok, here's an updated version of the first few days surrounding the murders.

Note: I misspoke earlier. In Jody Barr's news report, he said LM told him AM texted DR around 1 AM the night of the murders.

Thursday, 4/21/2016


8am: Dana arrives at work - Hillcrest Nursing Home

11pm: Dana leaves work - Hillcrest Nursing Home - 14 miles away per CNN

Approx 11:20 pm - Dana arrives home



Friday, 4/22/2016

1 am: April Manley, sister in law of Dana Rhoden, exchanges text messages with Dana

[video=youtube;bf4ObgRJ_Xo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf4ObgRJ_Xo[/video]

2 am: James Manley texted Jake Wagner, ex-boyfriend of Hanna Rhoden and father of her oldest daughter

ibid


Between 2 am and 7 am - the following were murdered

Bodies found at 3122 UHR: Dana, Hanna Rhoden, Chris Rhoden Jr.
Bodies found at 4077 UHR: Chris Sr. and Gary (3 GSW to head)
Bodies found at 4199 URH: Frankie and Hannah Hazel Gilley
Body found near 799 LFR: Kenneth Rhoden (1 GSW to head)

From <http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306434-OH-Pike-County-8-people-from-one-family-dead-as-police-hunt-for-killer(s)-5/page55>


7:15 am: Bobby Jo arrives at Chris Sr.'s property to feed his animals. She says she was with two friends, identities have varied, not confirmed.

7:15 to 7:40?: She uses a key to unlock the front door and sees the bodies of Gary & Chris Rhoden Sr. Exact time not known
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/

7:49 am: Bobby Jo calls 911

ibid.



7:53 am: PCSO Dep. Music and Dep. Chandler are dispatched to 4077 Union Hill Road in response to the 7:49 911 call.

Approx 7:55 am: Billy Jo Manley runs next door to trailer of Frankie Rhoden & Hannah Gilley. Door is locked, she hears toddler inside, asks him to open the door. She then discovers the bodies of Frankie & Hannah. She takes the children outside to her car.

Ibid.

7:15 &#8211; 7:53 am Some time after discovering the bodies, Billy Jo Manley calls her brother James Manley. He and his son go to the home of Dana Rhoden and discover she is dead. According to his wife, James doesn&#8217;t go further into Dana&#8217;s home, though he can see her legs and hear a baby crying

Ibid

8:07 am: Dep. Chandler arrived "at a neighboring residence where he was flagged down by a subject. Dep. Chandler advised that he needed multiple ambulances due to multiple down at multiple residences."

8:12 am: Dep. Music, Dep. Ball, and Maj. Evans all arrived "on scene" where they were approached by [Redacted] who stated: "there are two more dead people here." [Redacted] pointed to the residence at 4077 Union Hill.

From <http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306434-OH-Pike-County-8-people-from-one-family-dead-as-police-hunt-for-killer(s)-5/page57>

8:21 am: PCSO request for assistance sent to BCI

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/us/ohi...g-pike-county/

From <http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306434-OH-Pike-County-8-people-from-one-family-dead-as-police-hunt-for-killer(s)-5/page62>



12:13 pm: at least 4 BCI Crime Scene Unit trucks are seen at the intersection of Hwy 32 and Union Hill Road headed towards the crime scenes. (Source: tweet including a photo made by Gannett Ohio reporter @saranealeigh)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/us/ohi...g-pike-county/

From <http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306434-OH-Pike-County-8-people-from-one-family-dead-as-police-hunt-for-killer(s)-5/page62>




1:26 pm Friday: Donald Stone calls 911 to report Kenneth's body

1:36 pm -- Ohio AG Mike DeWine issues a press release: 7 people murdered in "execution-style killings"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/us/ohi...g-pike-county/




Saturday, 4/23/2016

3:41am - LE arrives at Bobby Jo Manley's residence to question her; 5 others also questioned

??: Kenny Rhoden (cousin) calls 911 in Greenup Co, KY stating he is being chased by a green Chrysler.

Wouldn't that be between 1 AM and 7 AM? JM was texting JW not DR. No reason at this point to assume JW was in DR's trailer and that she was still alive at 2 AM.

I too wonder what all these people were doing up so late. I can see DR, halfway, because she just got off work a little while before. I thought I saw somewhere that she was supposed to be back the next morning at 8 AM? JM should have been asleep if he worked at a job over 2 hours away also. JW maybe not so much since he stated he picked SR up early because he didn't have to work that weekend. AM I don't know about. She could have been just a straight up night owl. But this was on a Thursday night. People working the next day, kids at school. Not a night you generally stay up into the wee hours.

 

[Betty P]

More video at this link, including some with audio from JM's hearing

http://www.dailyrecord.com/story/ne...icked-up-daddys-hand-and-just-fell/100742404/

In it, the judge says the case will probably be referred to a grand jury. Check and see if you hear the same.

Also, is the blond woman who whispered to LM April, JM's wife? In the video you can see her sitting next to a young man, assume that's JM's son.

ETA: Let me find the right link for this

Try this

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/

 

[Tiff23fr]

I also picked up that JW wouldn't bring the child around.

 

[Audrey Horne]

Also, is the blond woman who whispered to LM April, JM's wife? In the video you can see her sitting next to a young man, assume that's JM's son.

Yes, and yes.

 

[Tillicum]

You are from the area. May I ask, does LM have a common local accent? Is there anything unique about it?

I have an accent too. Not like his though.

I think it's more common in Leonard's generation or older but not as pronounced in younger.

 

[Agent.99]

Oh, Len, why couldn't you have just "remembered" the name of the friend JM bought the truck from?? You would have made me so happy!

 

[Betty P]

Wouldn't that be between 1 AM and 7 AM? JM was texting JW not DR. No reason at this point to assume JW was in DR's trailer and that she was still alive at 2 AM.

I too wonder what all these people were doing up so late. I can see DR, halfway, because she just got off work a little while before. I thought I saw somewhere that she was supposed to be back the next morning at 8 AM? JM should have been asleep if he worked at a job over 2 hours away also. JW maybe not so much since he stated he picked SR up early because he didn't have to work that weekend. AM I don't know about. She could have been just a straight up night owl. But this was on a Thursday night. People working the next day, kids at school. Not a night you generally stay up into the wee hours.

Thanks, yes I'll change that.

As for being night owls, some people are. Good question, though. Are we sure JM was working the logging job in Lima then? He may have been on a different job closer to home.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Wouldn't that be between 1 AM and 7 AM? JM was texting JW not DR. No reason at this point to assume JW was in DR's trailer and that she was still alive at 2 AM.

I too wonder what all these people were doing up so late. I can see DR, halfway, because she just got off work a little while before. I thought I saw somewhere that she was supposed to be back the next morning at 8 AM? JM should have been asleep if he worked at a job over 2 hours away also. JW maybe not so much since he stated he picked SR up early because he didn't have to work that weekend. AM I don't know about. She could have been just a straight up night owl. But this was on a Thursday night. People working the next day, kids at school. Not a night you generally stay up into the wee hours.

JM, at least presently, has a job where he works during the night.

 

[Betty P]

JM, at least presently, has a job where he works during the night.

That's the logging job in Lima, OH? They do their work at night? How do we know this? Have only seen a brief news media reference to his work in the last few days.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This link?

http://www.fox19.com/story/35453014...of-arrests-investigators-couldnt-catch-a-cold

LM is saying the text was sent at 8 PM or 9 Pm that night but JW did not get it until 2 AM. He also indicates JW would not bring SR to their house to receive a present. Also that police went into the house to find his grandson three times that day and couldn't find him because he was between the bed and the wall.

So sad for LM.

 

[Betty P]

Wouldn't that be between 1 AM and 7 AM? JM was texting JW not DR. No reason at this point to assume JW was in DR's trailer and that she was still alive at 2 AM.

I too wonder what all these people were doing up so late. I can see DR, halfway, because she just got off work a little while before. I thought I saw somewhere that she was supposed to be back the next morning at 8 AM? JM should have been asleep if he worked at a job over 2 hours away also. JW maybe not so much since he stated he picked SR up early because he didn't have to work that weekend. AM I don't know about. She could have been just a straight up night owl. But this was on a Thursday night. People working the next day, kids at school. Not a night you generally stay up into the wee hours.

Yes, DR had worked a double shift that day/night and IIRC, she had to be at work again at 8 am. She really was a hard working person.

 

[Betty P]

LM is saying the text was sent at 8 PM or 9 Pm that night but JW did not get it until 2 AM. He also indicates JW would not bring SR to their house to receive a present. Also that police went into the house to find his grandson three times that day and couldn't find him because he was between the bed and the wall.

So sad for LM.

If true, if he sent it at around 9 pm, but JW didn't get it until 2 AM, that can be verified. Changes a lot. Maybe JW had his phone off all day, or was using a different phone and didn't get JMs message until he powered up his regular phone.

That also means LE knew when JM originally sent it too. Were they just leaving out that detail as a way to scare JM into talking?

Assume DeWine and Reader retrieved all relevant internet, cell and other digital traffic right away. If Len is accurate about the 9pm sending of JM's text, then why did LE jump on JM and BJM so quickly and relentlessly? They'd better have more evidence than this to justify their focus on these two. Hoping it didn't cause them to overlook other possible suspects.

 

[rsd1200]

I think it's more common in Leonard's generation or older but not as pronounced in younger.

Also, I'm almost certain he was calling "text" messages, "touch" messages. This would not be something I'd find uncommon either.