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[Eaglette]

Butanediol is a chemical that is used to make floor stripper, paint thinner, and other solvent products. It’s illegal to sell butanediol for use as medicine. Nevertheless, butanediol is sometimes used as a substitute for other illegal substances such as gamma butyrolactone (GBL) and gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB). Unfortunately, butanediol is just as dangerous as GBL and GHB.

Butanediol has been used to stimulate growth hormone production and muscle growth; and for bodybuilding, weight loss, and trouble sleeping (insomnia).


[h=4]How does it work?[/h]Butanediol is converted to gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB) in the body. GHB slows down the brain, which can cause loss of consciousness along with dangerous slowing of breathing and other vital functions. It also stimulates growth hormone secretion.


[h=2]What is GHB?[/h]GHB is a drug commonly found in the dance scene and is sometimes referred to as liquid ecstasy due to its stimulating, euphoric and supposed aphrodisiac qualities. Chemically-speaking, it is not related to MDMA at all. Mildly salty in flavour, yet colourless and odorless, it’s also used a date-rape drug – when mixed with alcohol, it can intoxicate quickly.
Other names include: Fantasy, grievous bodily harm (GBH), liquid ecstasy, liquid E, G.

 

[apoptosisfutz]

Butanediol is a chemical that is used to make floor stripper, paint thinner, and other solvent products. It’s illegal to sell butanediol for use as medicine. Nevertheless, butanediol is sometimes used as a substitute for other illegal substances such as gamma butyrolactone (GBL) and gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB). Unfortunately, butanediol is just as dangerous as GBL and GHB.

Butanediol has been used to stimulate growth hormone production and muscle growth; and for bodybuilding, weight loss, and trouble sleeping (insomnia).


[h=4]How does it work?[/h]Butanediol is converted to gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB) in the body. GHB slows down the brain, which can cause loss of consciousness along with dangerous slowing of breathing and other vital functions. It also stimulates growth hormone secretion.


[h=2]What is GHB?[/h]GHB is a drug commonly found in the dance scene and is sometimes referred to as liquid ecstasy due to its stimulating, euphoric and supposed aphrodisiac qualities. Chemically-speaking, it is not related to MDMA at all. Mildly salty in flavour, yet colourless and odorless, it’s also used a date-rape drug – when mixed with alcohol, it can intoxicate quickly.
Other names include: Fantasy, grievous bodily harm (GBH), liquid ecstasy, liquid E, G.

Would an autopsy result show this type of stuff in the system after several weeks?

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[Spooks-R-Us]

Spooks and ApplePies rule! Lol

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

So if a perpetrator used GHB on his or her victim, then that would change the victims from being a screaming, panicking mess to a compliant, nearly unconscious 'doll' - for want of a better word.

The entire picture in my head just flicked over to a new spooky channel.....

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Would an autopsy result show this type of stuff in the system after several weeks?

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4462042/

"The interpretation of GHB concentrations is more tricky when dealing with specimens taken from dead bodies, because even higher concentrations are present in blood and urine without exposure to GHB during life [43]. Accordingly, in post-mortem toxicology higher cut-off concentrations are necessary to prevent any false accusations that a person had used GHB during the immediate ante-mortem period [44]. Much depends on the post-mortem interval, the amount of trauma to the body and addition of fluoride ions as an enzyme inhibitor and preservative and femoral or cardiac blood was taken for analysis [45-47].

This article is concerned with the pharmacology and toxicology of GHB with main focus on disposition and fate in the body, including pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic aspects. The endogenous concentrations of GHB in blood forensic cases including people arrested for driving under the influence of drugs (DUID), users of illicit drugs and medical examiner poisoning cases. The acute intoxication effects and clinical manifestations of GHB overdose are reviewed along with diagnosis and treatment of the withdrawal syndrome."


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[Xyz]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4462042/

"The interpretation of GHB concentrations is more tricky when dealing with specimens taken from dead bodies, because even higher concentrations are present in blood and urine without exposure to GHB during life [43]. Accordingly, in post-mortem toxicology higher cut-off concentrations are necessary to prevent any false accusations that a person had used GHB during the immediate ante-mortem period [44]. Much depends on the post-mortem interval, the amount of trauma to the body and addition of fluoride ions as an enzyme inhibitor and preservative and femoral or cardiac blood was taken for analysis [45-47].

This article is concerned with the pharmacology and toxicology of GHB with main focus on disposition and fate in the body, including pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic aspects. The endogenous concentrations of GHB in blood forensic cases including people arrested for driving under the influence of drugs (DUID), users of illicit drugs and medical examiner poisoning cases. The acute intoxication effects and clinical manifestations of GHB overdose are reviewed along with diagnosis and treatment of the withdrawal syndrome."


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How would it be administered?- would it affect someone by holding it over their nose (like chloroform) or would they have to drink or inject it?

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

How would it be administered?- would it affect someone by holding it over their nose (like chloroform) or would they have to drink or inject it?

Possibly drink, or inject?
But I'm no expert on this topic

 

[petedavo.au]

OT, but an interesting story about missed detective work and how a cigarette butt collected in a prison got an innocent man pardoned.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...r/news-story/0ebea33bd55fca9a3b0023b7a5e6738b

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[Spooks-R-Us]

OT, but an interesting story about missed detective work and how a cigarette butt collected in a prison got an innocent man pardoned.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...r/news-story/0ebea33bd55fca9a3b0023b7a5e6738b

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Nope - I'm more interested in the 'confession' "are you arresting me for Judy Johnson's murder?" that the arresting cops and detectives didn't follow up when they arrested they guy for another crime.

IMO Police epic fail 101

 

[Canning Vale]

With regard to JRs disappearance. As JR worked at the day care centre in Government Rd, perhaps she had a key. It may have been JRs intention to go to the day care to make a phone call.

 

[Spinnaker]

With regard to JRs disappearance. As JR worked at the day care centre in Government Rd, perhaps she had a key. It may have been JRs intention to go to the day care to make a phone call.

Maybe to pick up her car?


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[Bunnie]

Maybe to pick up her car?


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There was no report of her car being at her work.
She arrived with friends.

 

[Spinnaker]

There was no report of her car being at her work.
She arrived with friends.

That's true, she did arrive with friends after being in Cottesloe (OBH).

Just wondering if she did have to go back to her workplace for any reason, given the report of potential sighting of JR in area.


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[Canning Vale]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4462042/

"The interpretation of GHB concentrations is more tricky when dealing with specimens taken from dead bodies, because even higher concentrations are present in blood and urine without exposure to GHB during life [43]. Accordingly, in post-mortem toxicology higher cut-off concentrations are necessary to prevent any false accusations that a person had used GHB during the immediate ante-mortem period [44]. Much depends on the post-mortem interval, the amount of trauma to the body and addition of fluoride ions as an enzyme inhibitor and preservative and femoral or cardiac blood was taken for analysis [45-47].

This article is concerned with the pharmacology and toxicology of GHB with main focus on disposition and fate in the body, including pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic aspects. The endogenous concentrations of GHB in blood forensic cases including people arrested for driving under the influence of drugs (DUID), users of illicit drugs and medical examiner poisoning cases. The acute intoxication effects and clinical manifestations of GHB overdose are reviewed along with diagnosis and treatment of the withdrawal syndrome."


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Spooks,
Many thanks for the post, but it's about as clear as mud to me. Could you please consider explaining it in simple terms, so I can understand. Thanks

 

[Canning Vale]

Maybe to pick up her car?


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Perhaps Jane was going to sleep overnight. There'd be beds there - it's a day care centre.

 

[Canning Vale]

That's true, she did arrive with friends after being in Cottesloe (OBH).

Just wondering if she did have to go back to her workplace for any reason, given the report of potential sighting of JR in area.

It makes sense that JR went back to work for some reason. There's been no mention before of her having a key, but perhaps she did have one. Some of the day cares also have pincode machines on the door.

 

[Canning Vale]

Did someone mention that the business at the end of Government Rd, was a Telstra Depot?

 

[Spinnaker]

Did someone mention that the business at the end of Government Rd, was a Telstra Depot?

No Council depot.


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[Canning Vale]

Would a Telstra technician need to liaise with someone from a council depot?

 

[justified]

That's true, she did arrive with friends after being in Cottesloe (OBH).

Just wondering if she did have to go back to her workplace for any reason, given the report of potential sighting of JR in area.

It makes sense that JR went back to work for some reason. There's been no mention before of her having a key, but perhaps she did have one. Some of the day cares also have pincode mac
hines on the door.

That would be grounds for dismissal in most jobs...returning to your workplace after a night out (intoxicated) to sleep it off. By all accounts she loved her job. If she wanted to crash, she would just go home.