IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #61

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Forgot a few...

1/13/96
Amber Hagerman Arlington TX (9)

10/13/97
Amanda Gallion (1month past 13) Gillette WY

11/13/01
AMANDA LEE VANSCYOC (19) EVANSVILLE IN

And still looking around....found these kinda by accident but maybe 13th is really relevant or an extreme coincidence. Just keeps me busy trying to figure out simialrities.

Just my opinion of course, always!

Whoa! Thank you for this...If he IS a SK, and if he's responsible for Lyric and Elizabeth, then I wondered if the dates held any significance and if there were others that happened on the 13th. Anyway, you're awesome for compiling this!


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And a few more....

6/13/81 PHYLLIS BREWER (19) LOWELLVILLE OH

9/13/10 SAMANTHA CLARKE(19) ORANGE VA

Thank you! :)

https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Mapl...55397fd68ea!2m2!1d-92.281017!2d42.4691543!3e0

I'm always interested to see a possible connection on a map. Phoenix AZ had a crime on 13th of month in 1986 and 1990 (I spared 1x Phoenix because of available space). Delphi is missing also because of available space.

IF there isn't an error in my listing crimes got a pause:
1982-85
1987-88
1991-95
1998-00
2002-09
2011
2013-2016 (IF incl. Delphi 2017)

These are 7 states where a crime took place on 13th of month.

IF one perp he would be around 55 yo by now, I think.
 
I found some more....my eyes are swimming...I did not mean to look through the Missing Children database! I don't know how many faces I saw...so very sad for me to see.

Anyway this is all the rest that has been reported to that missing child website....take it for what it's worth. I had hoped to put it in some kind of order...maybe tomorrow when my eyes stop seeing 13's!!

I have them in order now, I believe......

5/13/72 JUDY DAVIS (15)JACKSONVILLE FL
2/13/73 LINDA ST. GERMAINE (12) PLATTSBURGH NY
6/13/80 TIFFANY PAPISH (8) MAPLE HTS OH
6/13/81 PHYLLIS BREWER (19) LOWELLVILLE OH
11/13/84 TAMMY BELANGER (8) EXETER, NH
8/13/85 CATHERINE MALCOLMSON (16) STOW MA
4/13/86 PAMELA TINSLEY (19) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
7/13/86 ROCHELLE IHM (20) PHOENIX AZ
12/13/86 APRIL COOPER (7) TEMECULAH CA
2/13/87 MARJORIE KNOX (13) CHAPARRAL NM
10/13/89 SHERI HERR (18) WARREN IN
9/13/90 LISA PRUET (16) SHAKER HTS OHIO
10/13/90 MARIA MARTINEZ (17) PHOENIX AZ
3/13/95 STEPHANIE BENTON (17) BULLHEAD CITY AZ
1/13/96 AMBER HAGERMAN (9) ARLINGTON TX
6/13/96 CRYSTAL DITTMEYER (12) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
10/13/97 AMANDA GALLION (1 MONTH PAST 13) GILLETTE WY
11/13/01 AMANDA LEE VANSCYOC (19) EVANSVILLE IN
11/13/01 ABBY BLAGG (6) GRAND JUNCTION CO
9/13/07 ASHLEY DODGES (17) BISHOP CA
9/13/10 SAMANTHA CLARKE(19) ORANGE VA
4/13/13 EMILY PAUL (14) SOUTHPORT FL
7/13/14 EDITH CUELLAR (15) CANYON COUNTRY CA
5/13/15 NATALIE CLARK (16) LOUISVILLE KY
12/13/15 ASHLEY WOODS (16) JACKSON MS
3/13/16 HALEY STRAATMAN (16) MILTON FL
4/13/16 SARAH NECAISE (16) BAY ST LOUIS MS
7/13/16 DEJA GLEASON (13) THORNTON CO
9/13/16 ALEXIS MILLS (16) COLUMBUS OH
1/13/17 HAILEE DILEONARDO (15) KLAMATH FALLS OREGON
 
I don't know if 13 is relevant but I have a suspicion Amber Hagerman (on 13th) may be a connection and the 13th for Iowa and Indiana were just a taunt for police. For having an Amber Alert started after your crime makes you pretty notorious!

My opinion only, of course!
 
I found some more....my eyes are swimming...I did not mean to look through the Missing Children database! I don't know how many faces I saw...so very sad for me to see.

Anyway this is all the rest that has been reported to that missing child website....take it for what it's worth. I had hoped to put it in some kind of order...maybe tomorrow when my eyes stop seeing 13's!!

I have them in order now, I believe......

5/13/72 JUDY DAVIS JACKSONVILLE FL
2/13/73 LINDA ST. GERMAINE (12) PLATTSBURGH NY
6/13/80 TIFFANY PAPISH MAPLE HTS OH
6/13/81 PHYLLIS BREWER (19) LOWELLVILLE OH
11/13/84 TAMMY BELANGER (8) EXETER, NH
8/13/85 CATHERINE MALCOLMSON (16) STOW MA
4/13/86 PAMELA TINSLEY (19) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
7/13/86 ROCHELLE IHM (20)…PHOENIX AZ
12/13/86 APRIL COOPER (7) TEMECULAH CA
2/13/87 MARJORIE KNOX (13) CHAPARRAL NM
10/13/89 SHERI HERR (18) WARREN IN
9/13/90 LISA PRUET (16) SHAKER HTS OHIO
10/13/90 MARIA MARTINEZ (17) PHOENIX AZ
3/13/95 STEPHANIE BENTON (17) BULLHEAD CITY AZ
1/13/96 AMBER HAGERMAN (9) ARLINGTON TX
6/13/96 CRYSTAL DITTMEYER (12) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
10/13/97 AMANDA GALLION (1 MONTH PAST 13) GILLETTE WY
11/13/01 AMANDA LEE VANSCYOC (19) EVANSVILLE IN
11/13/01 ABBY BLAGG (6) GRAND JUNCTION CO
9/13/07 ASHLEY DODGES (17) BISHOP CA
9/13/10 SAMANTHA CLARKE(19) ORANGE VA
4/13/13 EMILY PAUL SOUTHPORT FL
7/13/14 EDITH CUELLAR (15) CANYON COUNTRY CA
5/13/15 NATALIE CLARK (16) LOUISVILLE KY
12/13/15 ASHLEY WOODS (16) JACKSON MS
3/13/16 HALEY STRAATMAN (16) MILTON FL
4/13/16 SARAH NECAISE BAY ST LOUIS MS
7/13/16 DEJA GLEASON (13) THORNTON CO
9/13/16 ALEXIS MILLS (16) COLUMBUS OH
1/13/17 HAILEE DILEONARDO (15) KLAMATH FALLS OREGON

Verrry sad but also fascinating re the 13th. OMG. The many billboards seem to make sense even more.
 
FWIW, Google Earth updated its imagery for Delphi, IN on April 12th, 2017.

Before we were having to use the last winter imagery, from 2012, which was great to have but landscape changes over time. Having the new imagery might be useful to compare changes in the terrain in the five years since the last winter images were taken. The newer imagery gives a truer representation of the landscape (worn paths, etc.) as it existed and was used by BG in February.

Also FWIW, I noticed right away that a well worn path heading down to the creek straight from RL's property doesn't appear so worn now. Even if you take into account that spring is approaching and the area is naturally greening, a well worn path on the ground doesn't bounce back that quickly from dead dirt to grass if it was still being consistently walked on up to February. Imo, of course.
To me it might suggest that RL didn't traverse that hillside as much anymore (perhaps too difficult now because of age or health?). :thinking:

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Deleted so maybe it wasn't 1 of the girls clothing then? Or LE told them to take it down as the killer or killers would know where clothing were left and if any were in the creek bed right?
Peace, I think you're last sentence maybe correct IMO.
 
RL knew the area
he walked the woods day and night
he had the opportunity
he was out that day and likely passed the bridge several times
he knew the families
he had disregard for the law
he lied to the police
his place was searched with probable cause
he stopped cooperating with the police
he is still involved in the investigation- all while not cooperating
he has not been cleared
You forgot the most important-
He had a cast iron alibi that broke his probation.
 
i would go with the first. the killer would already know where something was left. he would not need a picture.
Leaving the pic up could jeopardize the investigation. One little detail only the killer would have known.
 
i personally think the method of murder had very little physical contact. perhaps they were both struck over the head with something.
What makes you come to that conclusion? The perp would then have two bodies to move and get across the creek.
 
I do recall seeing a photo with what appeared to be clothing but do not see it there anymore. The description is still there.

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I do too. Perhaps it was in the video of the searchers going across the creek?
 
(O/T, there's been arrest in the case of 12 year old Naomi Jones out of Pensacola; her killer had already done 15 years in prison for raping 2 adult women and was free. Another example for reference (I had mentioned ARS earlier) of a predator with diverse victim age ranges.)
 
1. Whole point of my post was missed.
2. I stand corrected.
3. LE has cleared people. <modsnip>
4. We don't know how many 'time's', a someone has been cleared.
5. <modsnip>
6. Again, ALL persons are of interest until an arrest. How many times have we seen on these boards, LE say, well we looked at him/her and moved on. Only to find out. Nope, they really hadn't, they just let that person think they had.
7. Speculate away, I am. That's the purpose of the thread.
8. The whole point, again, was missed.
9. <modsnip>
Spirit, we are allowed to discuss it with respect for others opinions. <modsnip> I got the point and thanks for reminding us all because it certainly does not help having a closed thread.
 
FWIW, Google Earth updated its imagery for Delphi, IN on April 12th, 2017.

Before we were having to use the last winter imagery, from 2012, which was great to have but landscape changes over time. Having the new imagery might be useful to compare changes in the terrain in the five years since the last winter images were taken. The newer imagery gives a truer representation of the landscape (worn paths, etc.) as it existed and was used by BG in February.

Also FWIW, I noticed right away that a well worn path heading down to the creek straight from RL's property doesn't appear so worn now. Even if you take into account that spring is approaching and the area is naturally greening, a well worn path on the ground doesn't bounce back that quickly from dead dirt to grass if it was still being consistently walked on up to February. Imo, of course.
To me it might suggest that RL didn't traverse that hillside as much anymore (perhaps too difficult now because of age or health?). :thinking:

2012 imagery:
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2017 imagery:
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That's interesting. However, RL had been in jail for more than a month when this pic was taken so any path could well have grown over in 5 weeks or so or at least greened up quite a bit do you think?
Good find though Webby.
 
Right, that is why I made the distinction of "dead dirt." A path that is so well worn that it can be distinguished by a satellite imagery, imo, must be very trodden down and compacted. Again, imo, there are no root systems left for any ground greening. That would have to regenerate over a much longer period of time.

That's interesting. However, RL had been in jail for more than a month when this pic was taken so any path could well have grown over in 5 weeks or so or at least greened up quite a bit do you think?
Good find though Webby.
 
Thank you! :)

https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Mapl...55397fd68ea!2m2!1d-92.281017!2d42.4691543!3e0

I'm always interested to see a possible connection on a map. Phoenix AZ had a crime on 13th of month in 1986 and 1990 (I spared 1x Phoenix because of available space). Delphi is missing also because of available space.

IF there isn't an error in my listing crimes got a pause:
1982-85
1987-88
1991-95
1998-00
2002-09
2011
2013-2016 (IF incl. Delphi 2017)

These are 7 states where a crime took place on 13th of month.

IF one perp he would be around 55 yo by now, I think.
Could be in prison the missing years?
 
I found some more....my eyes are swimming...I did not mean to look through the Missing Children database! I don't know how many faces I saw...so very sad for me to see.

Anyway this is all the rest that has been reported to that missing child website....take it for what it's worth. I had hoped to put it in some kind of order...maybe tomorrow when my eyes stop seeing 13's!!

I have them in order now, I believe......

5/13/72 JUDY DAVIS (15)JACKSONVILLE FL
2/13/73 LINDA ST. GERMAINE (12) PLATTSBURGH NY
6/13/80 TIFFANY PAPISH (8) MAPLE HTS OH
6/13/81 PHYLLIS BREWER (19) LOWELLVILLE OH
11/13/84 TAMMY BELANGER (8) EXETER, NH
8/13/85 CATHERINE MALCOLMSON (16) STOW MA
4/13/86 PAMELA TINSLEY (19) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
7/13/86 ROCHELLE IHM (20) PHOENIX AZ
12/13/86 APRIL COOPER (7) TEMECULAH CA
2/13/87 MARJORIE KNOX (13) CHAPARRAL NM
10/13/89 SHERI HERR (18) WARREN IN
9/13/90 LISA PRUET (16) SHAKER HTS OHIO
10/13/90 MARIA MARTINEZ (17) PHOENIX AZ
3/13/95 STEPHANIE BENTON (17) BULLHEAD CITY AZ
1/13/96 AMBER HAGERMAN (9) ARLINGTON TX
6/13/96 CRYSTAL DITTMEYER (12) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
10/13/97 AMANDA GALLION (1 MONTH PAST 13) GILLETTE WY
11/13/01 AMANDA LEE VANSCYOC (19) EVANSVILLE IN
11/13/01 ABBY BLAGG (6) GRAND JUNCTION CO
9/13/07 ASHLEY DODGES (17) BISHOP CA
9/13/10 SAMANTHA CLARKE(19) ORANGE VA
4/13/13 EMILY PAUL (14) SOUTHPORT FL
7/13/14 EDITH CUELLAR (15) CANYON COUNTRY CA
5/13/15 NATALIE CLARK (16) LOUISVILLE KY
12/13/15 ASHLEY WOODS (16) JACKSON MS
3/13/16 HALEY STRAATMAN (16) MILTON FL
4/13/16 SARAH NECAISE (16) BAY ST LOUIS MS
7/13/16 DEJA GLEASON (13) THORNTON CO
9/13/16 ALEXIS MILLS (16) COLUMBUS OH
1/13/17 HAILEE DILEONARDO (15) KLAMATH FALLS OREGON

Thank you! :)

https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Mapl...55397fd68ea!2m2!1d-92.281017!2d42.4691543!3e0

I'm always interested to see a possible connection on a map. Phoenix AZ had a crime on 13th of month in 1986 and 1990 (I spared 1x Phoenix because of available space). Delphi is missing also because of available space.

IF there isn't an error in my listing crimes got a pause:
1982-85
1987-88
1991-95
1998-00
2002-09
2011
2013-2016 (IF incl. Delphi 2017)

These are 7 states where a crime took place on 13th of month.

IF one perp he would be around 55 yo by now, I think.

Just putting Kat and Germany's posts together for reference purposes
13 July 2012 was the Iowa case.
 
Verrry sad but also fascinating re the 13th. OMG. The many billboards seem to make sense even more.
Wow....Kat, awesome data. I was astounded. I wonder if they had physical similarities to the girls? Also, why take the boards down a month later if a relationship between this data and the case? Again, more questions than answers.

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Quote Originally Posted by kat913 View Post
I found some more....my eyes are swimming...I did not mean to look through the Missing Children database! I don't know how many faces I saw...so very sad for me to see.

Anyway this is all the rest that has been reported to that missing child website....take it for what it's worth. I had hoped to put it in some kind of order...maybe tomorrow when my eyes stop seeing 13's!!

I have them in order now, I believe......

5/13/72 JUDY DAVIS (15)JACKSONVILLE FL
2/13/73 LINDA ST. GERMAINE (12) PLATTSBURGH NY
6/13/80 TIFFANY PAPISH (8) MAPLE HTS OH
6/13/81 PHYLLIS BREWER (19) LOWELLVILLE OH
11/13/84 TAMMY BELANGER (8) EXETER, NH
8/13/85 CATHERINE MALCOLMSON (16) STOW MA
4/13/86 PAMELA TINSLEY (19) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
7/13/86 ROCHELLE IHM (20) PHOENIX AZ
12/13/86 APRIL COOPER (7) TEMECULAH CA
2/13/87 MARJORIE KNOX (13) CHAPARRAL NM
10/13/89 SHERI HERR (18) WARREN IN
9/13/90 LISA PRUET (16) SHAKER HTS OHIO
10/13/90 MARIA MARTINEZ (17) PHOENIX AZ
3/13/95 STEPHANIE BENTON (17) BULLHEAD CITY AZ
1/13/96 AMBER HAGERMAN (9) ARLINGTON TX
6/13/96 CRYSTAL DITTMEYER (12) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
10/13/97 AMANDA GALLION (1 MONTH PAST 13) GILLETTE WY
11/13/01 AMANDA LEE VANSCYOC (19) EVANSVILLE IN
11/13/01 ABBY BLAGG (6) GRAND JUNCTION CO
9/13/07 ASHLEY DODGES (17) BISHOP CA
9/13/10 SAMANTHA CLARKE(19) ORANGE VA
4/13/13 EMILY PAUL (14) SOUTHPORT FL
7/13/14 EDITH CUELLAR (15) CANYON COUNTRY CA
5/13/15 NATALIE CLARK (16) LOUISVILLE KY
12/13/15 ASHLEY WOODS (16) JACKSON MS
3/13/16 HALEY STRAATMAN (16) MILTON FL
4/13/16 SARAH NECAISE (16) BAY ST LOUIS MS
7/13/16 DEJA GLEASON (13) THORNTON CO
9/13/16 ALEXIS MILLS (16) COLUMBUS OH
1/13/17 HAILEE DILEONARDO (15) KLAMATH FALLS OREGON


https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Maple...42.4691543!3e0

I'm always interested to see a possible connection on a map. Phoenix AZ had a crime on 13th of month in 1986 and 1990 (I spared 1x Phoenix because of available space). Delphi is missing also because of available space.

IF there isn't an error in my listing crimes got a pause:
1982-85
1987-88
1991-95
1998-00
2002-09
2011
2013-2016 (IF incl. Delphi 2017)

These are 7 states where a crime took place on 13th of month.

IF one perp he would be around 55 yo by now, I think.

Just putting Kat and Germany's posts together for reference purposes
13 July 2012 was the Iowa case.

Attention please: My little layman statistics doesn't fit with this complete listing done by Kat (only with her previous listing).
 
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