NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #2

[cady]

Follow the money. I am really wondering what the girlfriend has to do with this. Did she also enjoy a life of a house with no furniture, and a weird antisocial gambler for a significant other? Does she have children? Is she still employed or retired. Where does she get the money to travel extensively?

 

[CARIIS]

Have never seen this (makes sense) but thus far other than Brian Williams and the Morning Joe anchors every single MSNBC anchor is out there

At one level I certainly get -- but have never seen it so quick

 

[CARIIS]

Just read a NYTimes article on the web where Paddock's brother states his brother gambled and played video poker for a living, lived in hotel rooms and went on cruises. I know it was reported his career was that of an accountant. There is something very strange about his life as a retiree. I'm going to bank on card counting with someone else close to him.

What is card counting??

 

[CARIIS]

Some people just do not like being photographed. Me, for instance.

I have my photo taken once every 10 years to get my passport renewed, and grudgingly if my employer insists on getting a mugshot for a security pass.

Other than that, no.

I actively avoid any social situations where people are waving cameras, or even phones, about. Sometimes this means missing events that I would otherwise attend but that's the price I pay for visual privacy.

There isn't a single photo of me anywhere on t'interwebs and I plan to keep it that way.

I may be paranoid but I have no plans to go shooting up public places or events.

Nothing of me either --I cant remember when the last time I took a pic

most are boring posed a good pic is capturing a moment imo without the person knowing its being taken!!

a laugh a glance upwards etc

 

[popsicle]

Have never seen this (makes sense) but thus far other than Brian Williams and the Morning Joe anchors every single MSNBC anchor is out there

At one level I certainly get -- but have never seen it so quick

Our local stations sent people out there.

 

[enelram]

Just read a NYTimes article on the web where Paddock's brother states his brother gambled and played video poker for a living, lived in hotel rooms and went on cruises. I know it was reported his career was that of an accountant. There is something very strange about his life as a retiree. I'm going to bank on card counting with someone else close to him.

Can't find any info on his education except for high school in southern Ca. Have also seen where he was a mail carrier
at one time. Not so sure he had any long time career as an accountant. He moved around a LOT, having lived in 27 places.

Isabelle, can you elaborate on your comment about 'card counting' for us non-gamblers? thanks

 

[Rocco]

What is card counting??

Card counting is keeping track mentally of how many high cards and how many low cards have been dealt so you know what your odds are of getting certain cards when you bet.

 

[bears10]

Can the wife/girlfriend/roommate, whichever she is, just never come back to the US? She was previously married for 25 years to a man who now lives in Arkansas, but do we know if she is a US citizen or not? Can she be required to come back to the US to speak with investigators? I am not sure if I think she was involved in any way, but I think it's possible she might not want to come back here and deal with this mess. I wonder if LE will be able to get any information from her.

 

[Amonet]

If this has been discussed already forgive me for jumping in late. Stephen Paddock

How do we, as in the public, friends, family, spot the signs when someone like a ​Stephen Paddock type person is about to go off the deep end?

For the life of me, there has to have been one sign. Something that hinted Paddock wasn't right in the head.

The fact that his father was on the FBI's most wanted list I'm sure played a part in his mental health.

Please don't think for a moment I am trying to excuse him or use the Twinkie defense. Not at all.

We must learn from these spree killers so we can catch the next person before he unloads his bullets on the innocent.

We can argue guns or no guns all day long but until we can find a way to spot people like Paddock we will always have killings in one way or another.

Remember Timothy McVeigh didn't fire one bullet in Oklahoma.

I don't think it's possible with 100% guarantees. If this killer had died just five years earlier, if he'd been run over by a truck last week, we'd never have known he would do this.

I think the most that can be done is risk assessments with tendencies, but not guarantees. Perhaps 1 in 1000 of a certain type might follow through, others might want to but won't do it, others will end up in prison younger in life for another crime and won't ever have the opportunity or they will get out and gravitate to a different crime that will either kill them or leave them locked up again, never having committed the mass murder.

But the vast majority would 'settle' for satiating their appetite in some other way, as I surmise this murderer used hunting for years to satiate his appetite.

We've also got different types of mass killers, even if you break them down into categories with similarities in each category, I believe there's more than one category.

The category I would currently put this murderer into, I would say commonalities would likely be indifference to the suffering of others, hurting animals with indifference to their pain and even enjoyment of that pain. They may learn that they shouldn't show the enjoyment and try to keep that inside. For this one I think hunting has been a good cover for him, it's something where it wouldn't be abnormal to show pleasure at the kill and pride at ones skills. Aside from animals, probably indifference to the suffering of humans, starting young with siblings and young playmates, and sometimes causing them pain, though they may learn to do the causing out of sight and it might be that another playmate/sibling would run out of the room crying but not want to explain what happened?

Whether it leads to mass murder or serial murder, or not, I would consider that a very problematic 'psychopathy' that could easily end up festering and escalating in future.

I think the key might not be so much a total focus on those who do end up as mass or serial murderers but finding the types and then looking at what happens to those who don't....what happens in their lives and their dealings with people? Are they more prone to forming abusive relationships (psychological or physical abuse) when they form relationships. We know this one has 2 ex-wives. There are other 'types' who probably won't form close relationships that lead to marriage, though, so every serial/mass murderer won't have commonality with all others. And then you have things like political terrorism (race, religion, etc) and they will likely have quite different backgrounds and minds.

Perhaps it's possible to intervene and prevent some of those bad relationships by educating everyone to the signs to look out for so that spouses can avoid...but they might not see the signs until after the actual marriage, and then it can be hard to get out quick enough. I think a lot of the parents will make excuses for the children who show the signs.

And I don't know that this murderer's type is curable.

If I had a child that showed no empathy to living beings (animal or human) I would be extremely concerned and I would want them to see a child psychologist, but I don't think there's always a cure for it, I think in some cases the individual might just learn covering tactics.

 

[enelram]

Card counting is keeping track mentally of how many high cards and how many low cards have been dealt so you know what your odds are of getting certain cards when you bet.

thanks rocco, but wouldn't the dealer catch on and request no more play from the customer. How could the gambler
continue to do this and not be stopped?

 

[CARIIS]

msnbc

he did buy two of those bump things

they are legal and hailed as both great fun and safe ...............................

 

[Rocco]

thanks rocco, but wouldn't the dealer catch on and request no more play from the customer. How could the gambler
continue to do this and not be stopped?

Some gamblers are known to casinos for their ability to count cards and they're banned from betting at those casinos.

 

[Inthedetails]

No you're not the only one. When the Boston Bombers blew up people at the marathon their lives were combed over including their family. We got treated to multiple pictures of them and various family members ad nauseum. Including childhood pictures of the bombers.

With this man, there's very little. Sure is odd IMO. I expected more pictures.

I found it odd, too, but he doesn't have children - who might post pictures of family on SM - and he doesn't have SM himself. So who would take photos of him that we could access?

That picture of him with his eyes closed is odd, though. Why not take another photo when you snap one that didn't turn out?

I'm thinking we'll be seeing security video/photos of him soon.

jmopinion

 

[gregjrichards]

It is absolutely shocking one monstrous individual has been able to cause this amount of carnage. I don’t know what steps can be taken to prevent future tragedies but I know how intensely debated this issue is in America.

 

[enelram]

Amonet, how likely is it the mother here would even recognize the problem in her child, if she chose to marry the father
who likely had the same mental defects?
I do believe these tendencies run in families and are passed down to the children whether by nature/and/or nuture.

 

[Grasshopper]

IMO, the relationships between these siblings is significant. Estrangement for 20 years? The other has had minimal contact? The third is unknown. Very odd. Makes me wonder what caused the rift. Do none of them talk or was it just that none of them talked to the killer? The family dynamics are quite odd. Particularly as sons raised by a single mother who is still living.


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[DakotaMayi]

I found it odd, too, but he doesn't have children - who might post pictures of family on SM - and he doesn't have SM himself. So who would take photos of him that we could access?

That picture of him with his eyes closed is odd, though. Why not take another photo when you snap one that didn't turn out?

I'm thinking we'll be seeing security video/photos of him soon.

jmopinion

I thought he did have children? I thought he wrote about his wife/children/grandchildren on SM?

 

[enelram]

IMO, the relationships between these siblings is significant. Estrangement for 20 years? The other has had minimal contact? The third is unknown. Very odd. Makes me wonder what caused the rift. Do none of them talk or was it just that none of them talked to the killer? The family dynamics are quite odd. Particularly as sons raised by a single mother who is still living.


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Agree, grasshopper. I'd like to see more personal info on: what did the single mom do to earn a living and support 4
children? also what are the educational levels and careers of the 4 children? read somewhere that one son had gone to the Air force Academy. anyone else see this?

 

[Tillicum]

Did anyone notice yesterday at a press conference when the reporter asked if he had worked for a federal agency? The answer was "I can't confirm or deny that, we're still looking into that."

 

[enelram]

I thought he did have children? I thought he wrote about his wife/children/grandchildren on SM?

No he did not have any children. think his comment was directed at his girlfriend's children and grandchildren.