NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #2

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Maybe SHE did? Who knows! I doubt it's just a rumor.
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Same. I def don’t think it’s a coincidence he paid for her trip and then wired that money. I think he wanted her away from all of this so paid for her trip so she was far away. And then also wanted her to be ok financially so he wired the money. But keep in mind you need to have the receivers bank info and SWIFT code to send international wires, so if she did receive the money, she would have had to have given him that info at some point. They may have had an agreement, idk. She could have known something was up with him and that’s why she supposedly loaded her car to the brim with her belongings, then he agreed to pay for her oversees trip. Then he went on his rampage. Idk. I think info will trickle out here and there but unless he explicitly told someone or left a note, we will never have a solid answer IMO.

All that rambling being said, I hope Newsweek’s article was thoroughly vetted, otherwise it’s making major accusations about this lady. It took like five minutes of googling to poke huge holes in their statements. JMO
 
According to the LA Times article at the link, the couple came to that Starbucks frequently. It was located inside a casino near their home in Mesquite, NV. He usually paid for drinks with his credit card, so they would have the opportunity to see his name.
Thanks BETTP! I m sure the coffee place has a record of charges.....how else would they know which card to bill. Not only that, the baristas were able to note MLD was very short when she stood next to him (Paddock) and even knew exactly what they ordered every time they came in. Pretty sad when the barristas are more aware of his habits, than his family members. Now it makes absolute sense so many casino employees recalled his presence as a regular gambler.
And, as far as the 100K being sent to Phillipines, maybe he decided to try and be generous because she wanted to leave? I don't know....and speculating is just "speculating on my part." I'm pretty grumpy until I get my first cup-a-Joe in the a.m.....but he sounds mean spirited. Also, the LA Times reporter, Louis Sahagun, has a good reputation. And as a matter of fact, was awarded a Pulitzer Prize on a team that wrote a series of articles. He was also a Pulitzer finalist in 2015, too. (I purposely waited until I could find the story in MSM and link if for our forum.)
 
It's gone from TMZ and pulled from youtube, and a CBS link for what looks like the same video goes to Page Not Found.
I just watched it from the link. Interesting

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If I was in his shoes, it wouldn’t be coffee. Someone needs to step in and tell him to stop taking. Just sayin.

Totally agree. You can tell how flabbergasted he is that his brother did this. I can't even imagine.
 
Thanks BETTP! I m sure the coffee place has a record of charges.....how else would they know which card to bill. Not only that, the baristas were able to note MLD was very short when she stood next to him (Paddock) and even knew exactly what they ordered every time they came in. Pretty sad when the barristas are more aware of his habits, than his family members. Now it makes absolute sense so many casino employees recalled his presence as a regular gambler.
And, as far as the 100K being sent to Phillipines, maybe he decided to try and be generous because she wanted to leave? I don't know....and speculating is just "speculating on my part." I'm pretty grumpy until I get my first cup-a-Joe in the a.m.....but he sounds mean spirited. Also, the LA Times reporter, Louis Sahagun, has a good reputation. And as a matter of fact, was awarded a Pulitzer Prize on a team that wrote a series of articles. He was also a Pulitzer finalist in 2015, too. (I purposely waited until I could find the story in MSM and link if for our forum.)

Not for nothing it was told by one barista who coyly posed for the camera. Literally nothing to back it up. Why would the gf repeatedly ask for the card on separate occasions if the killer kept berating her each time? IMO it’s the same as the girl who said a Hispanic woman yelled they are all going to die - some people insert themselves into tragedies. For example Tania head. Extreme, but the first example coming to my mind.
 
Totally agree. You can tell how flabbergasted he is that his brother did this. I can't even imagine.

Flabbergasted and maybe not in his right state of mind JMO. He needs to stop talking tho bc him talking for 33 min straight about how wealthy and intelligent the killer was isn’t coming across the right way when 58 victims are dead and so many injured. He doesn’t seem in his right state of mind and should prob avoid the press moving forward. He’s not helping make his brother seem more human, he’s actually doing exactly the opposite for me. I am only speaking for myself of course.
 
Flabbergasted and maybe not in his right state of mind JMO. He needs to stop talking tho bc him talking for 33 min straight about how wealthy and intelligent the killer was isn’t coming across the right way when 58 victims are dead and so many injured. He doesn’t seem in his right state of mind and should prob avoid the press moving forward. He’s not helping make his brother seem more human, he’s actually doing exactly the opposite for me. I am only speaking for myself of course.

Definitely not in his right state of mind. He went off on tangents and ended up not even answering the questions he was asked. One thing I did learn is that Stephen was a big time gambler. High roller I'd say. It's marginally possible to me that this had to do with anger over a gambling debt, but I doubt it. I got more of an impression that he might have had a "god" complex, the way the brother talked about how it was not unusual to be asked to go get him a sandwich. Maybe he was really just evil and wanted to see if he could pull this "stunt" off, even knowing he would die in the process. We'll probably never understand because no matter what the reason, taking the lives of so many strangers who had nothing to do with whatever his problems were just doesn't make sense because rational, sane minds aren't wired to think that way.
 
Thanks BETTP! I m sure the coffee place has a record of charges.....how else would they know which card to bill. Not only that, the baristas were able to note MLD was very short when she stood next to him (Paddock) and even knew exactly what they ordered every time they came in. Pretty sad when the barristas are more aware of his habits, than his family members. Now it makes absolute sense so many casino employees recalled his presence as a regular gambler.
And, as far as the 100K being sent to Phillipines, maybe he decided to try and be generous because she wanted to leave? I don't know....and speculating is just "speculating on my part." I'm pretty grumpy until I get my first cup-a-Joe in the a.m.....but he sounds mean spirited. Also, the LA Times reporter, Louis Sahagun, has a good reputation. And as a matter of fact, was awarded a Pulitzer Prize on a team that wrote a series of articles. He was also a Pulitzer finalist in 2015, too. (I purposely waited until I could find the story in MSM and link if for our forum.)

Did she produce any of these receipts? Did article claim they saw any of the receipts?
 
Girlfriend back on US soil per CBS

[video=twitter;915422448484577280]https://twitter.com/CBSLA/status/915422448484577280[/video]

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In my opinion he was well prepared. I believe a narcissist wants full control of how they make a final exit. They want to call the shots-no pun intended. He took measures for not being ordered out alive by any authorities.

-The cameras and weaponry speak to what officials said Tuesday was a remarkable amount of planning and preparation by the shooter to increase the lethality of his attack. He may have used the cameras to ensure he was not captured alive, according to people familiar with the investigation.

-When a SWAT team burst into his room, they found him dead on the floor, apparently having shot himself in the mouth with a silver, black-handled revolver.


-The high number of firearms found at the hotel suggest a concern for overheating rifle barrels. The barrels can reach several hundred degrees, turning orange and even blue as rounds travel thousands of feet per second through them. In one crime-scene photo published by the Daily Mail, the gunman appears to be ***wearing a glove on his left hand, probably for holding a smoking-hot barrel***

-Those components used together in a weapon suggest a desire to quickly shoot a lot of automatic-like fire into masses of people without much concern for accuracy, as the recoil from simulated automatic fire would make it difficult to hit specific targets at long range. The concert stage was between 400 and 500 yards from the hotel.

-“He obviously tried this out before he was in the hotel room,” Wilson said. He added that his initial conclusion from audio of the gunfire pointed to a bump modification on at least one weapon. The fire rate was inconsistent with a weapon originally designed to fire automatically, Wilson said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.999f7467eff6

Oh, I agree with everything in your post. But in shooting for that long, and that firearm reaching such temps, using the Bump Stock, combined with the fact that this was not a "fit" man, I can see where he'd have to take a break, or at his age, have forgotten his eye protection, or left his gloves in the car. He had a look, to me, of someone who was a bit of a slob. He may have had the gloves but he had to stop and dig them out. He obviously forgot about the fire alarm in his room. Even narcissists are fallible, they are, after all, human, and after age 60 it's not uncommon to forget things (for some of us even earlier than that). OP had said that maybe he'd stopped and recorded his manifesto. Not a bad theory either.
 
Definitely not in his right state of mind. He went off on tangents and ended up not even answering the questions he was asked. One thing I did learn is that Stephen was a big time gambler. High roller I'd say. It's marginally possible to me that this had to do with anger over a gambling debt, but I doubt it. I got more of an impression that he might have had a "god" complex, the way the brother talked about how it was not unusual to be asked to go get him a sandwich. Maybe he was really just evil and wanted to see if he could pull this "stunt" off, even knowing he would die in the process. We'll probably never understand because no matter what the reason, taking the lives of so many strangers who had nothing to do with whatever his problems were just doesn't make sense because rational, sane minds aren't wired to think that way.

I also wonder if the brother inflated things a bit. Maybe to try to give the killer some dignity or praise, idk. But something is still off to me about how this family apparently has so much money.
 
Apologies if this already got posted:

[video=youtube;YZ12xTxs6Ok]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=351&v=YZ12xTxs6Ok[/video]


When the guy asks if anyone wants to know his name -- just touching~ and just funny sounds exactly like something I would say!!
 
Oh, I agree with everything in your post. But in shooting for that long, and that firearm reaching such temps, using the Bump Stock, combined with the fact that this was not a "fit" man, I can see where he'd have to take a break, or at his age, have forgotten his eye protection, or left his gloves in the car. He had a look, to me, of someone who was a bit of a slob. He may have had the gloves but he had to stop and dig them out. He obviously forgot about the fire alarm in his room. Even narcissists are fallible, they are, after all, human, and after age 60 it's not uncommon to forget things (for some of us even earlier than that). OP had said that maybe he'd stopped and recorded his manifesto. Not a bad theory either.

He had the gloves on for sure. Daily mail has a photo of the room with his body in it. Body has black gloves on. I don't think he forgot anything. This was planned meticulously.
 
FYI - alot of filipinos send money to their families back to the Phillipines, I personally don't think anything too much will come into it.

Hopefully she will have some insight into darkness he fell into.

All the condolences to all victims and loved ones involved in this non-sense tragedy. :heartbeat:
 
Oh, I agree with everything in your post. But in shooting for that long, and that firearm reaching such temps, using the Bump Stock, combined with the fact that this was not a "fit" man, I can see where he'd have to take a break, or at his age, have forgotten his eye protection, or left his gloves in the car. He had a look, to me, of someone who was a bit of a slob. He may have had the gloves but he had to stop and dig them out. He obviously forgot about the fire alarm in his room. Even narcissists are fallible, they are, after all, human, and after age 60 it's not uncommon to forget things (for some of us even earlier than that). OP had said that maybe he'd stopped and recorded his manifesto. Not a bad theory either.

-My post was a news article based on the investigation. ‘He was wearing a glove probably for the smoking hot barrel’
 
The thought has crossed my mind as well. The medication was a huge factor in Columbine.
My brother used Wellbutrin and it eliminated his impulse control and thinking before he did things. He ended up rolling his car in a situation he never would have otherwise.

In the 70's two of my cousins went hiking with their spouses and a longtime family friend.
The ladies decided not to finish the hike and the family friend followed them down.
He ended up killing them both and it was a bizarre crime and scene with no apparent motive.
My family pushed for answers because they knew the guy wouldn't have done this, but he clearly did.
He ended up having a tumor on his frontal lobe. Died a few years later.

I think IF he has really been a law abiding citizen, something caused this guy to stop restraining himself and do what he wanted to do.
Whether that was a medication, a tumor, degenerative brain disease, or just a decision that if he was going to die it was going to be big. Or even some other reason. Something flipped the switch where he went from normal to planning this and carrying it out. Something inhibited his ability to restrain himself. I do think finding out what that was could be helpful. Understanding why is important.

Time and time and time again relatives/neighbors/co-workers strongly believe so-and-so would never ever do such a thing as murder! But much to their surprise, it happens! No point imo to look hard to give a murderer a pass, either. That's highly speculative. In most cases they are just plain evil!


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