NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #3

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LAS VEGAS (AP) — The girlfriend of the Las Vegas shooter said Wednesday that she had no idea he was planning an attack on the Strip and is devastated for the victims.

A lawyer for Marilou Danley read a statement from her after she was questioned by FBI agents in Los Angeles about her boyfriend, Stephen Paddock. Danley was out of the country at the time of Sunday's attacks and said Paddock sent her to see her family in her native Philippines.

http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/nat...cle_8ce4a833-bcbd-5f27-9710-197588e2cef8.html
 
interview with a woman who used to work for him as a property manager... seems way different then the other things people have said about him. She also said she knows him better than a wife. I get a weird vibe from that/her.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooter-texas-20171006-story.html

I actually kind of "get it". IF she was a sort of office wife, she may feel like she knew him very well. Office wives have knowledge of dirty laundry or less than flattering sides of boss than the general population do. If she thinks she was in that role and had that level of personal knowledge of him and yet was shocked by his actions that day ..

I can see here being like, what the heck? This is not at all the guy I knew. Breakdown? Tumor? Psychosis?

I can say, If anyone I spent time being around or communicating on a professional basis with daily committed and act like SP appears to have, my head would be spinning and I would be looking for any kind of answer that meant the guy I knew was the guy I thought he was. Otherwise, I mean

Sheesh

Can you imagine any person you interact with regularly DOING what SP did???
 
-where is this info about MD moving out? Ive had no opportunity to see any news broadcast today. Thank you!

I'm pretty sure that was referring to them moving out of the Reno house, not the Mesquite one.
 
I dont buy the no criminal record stuff!!

He moved around in 4 states, I think he used alias just like daddy!

I am thinking that too.

Hare Psychopathy Checklist
http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html

The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:

glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

What Do We Know About Psychopathy?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...wers/201103/what-do-we-know-about-psychopathy

What is antisocial personality disorder?

People with Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) are characterized by callous and exploitive behavior and by a lack of empathy or remorse. In DSM-IV, a person with this disorder demonstrates a pervasive pattern of disregard for the rights of others as evidenced by at least three of the following criteria: repeatedly engaging in illegal behavior; frequently lying, using aliases or conning others for personal profit; impulsivity and lack of future planning; irritability and aggressiveness; reckless disregard for the safety of self and others; consistent irresponsibility, with repeated failures to sustain employment or fulfill financial obligations; lack of remorse as evident in indifference to or rationalization of hurting, mistreating or stealing from others. This definition has been criticized, however, for being too focused on behavior instead of personality traits and also for requiring evidence of conduct disorder (a childhood variant of ASPD) before the age of 15.
 
Qmfr:

"— Paddock booked hotel rooms in Chicago in August overlooking the Lollapalooza music festival."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-...ooking-lollapalooza-visited/story?id=50273390
Eta:
"However, a spokesman for the Blackstone told ABC News in a statement today, "We can confirm that there was no guest under (Paddock's) name who stayed at our hotel in August during the Lollapalooza music festival. We are cooperating with the authorities on this matter."
It's unclear whether Paddock traveled to Chicago at that time."
"Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock booked rooms in a Chicago hotel facing the Lollapalooza music festival in August, a law enforcement official*told USA TODAY on Thursday.

Paddock, 64, booked one room at the Blackstone Hotel starting Aug. 1, two days before the festival opened. He booked a second room Aug. 3. The Blackstone confirmed in a statement that rooms were booked in Paddock's name during Lollapalooza but that he*did not stay there on those dates."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-but-investigators-have-no-idea-wh/734824001/

Hiya Margarita25, This is deeply disturbing for all of us. I'm glad you emphasized the AUGUST 1 date. That date also came up as the day, (according to the car salesperson) that SP wrote a check ($14,411.40) for the Hyundai Tucson he purchased for his gf, MLD. She told the salesperson that he "rescued her from her abusive husband." Hmmm ya' know the day she was being "extremely complimentary."
Oh really? Major eye roll....Hey, if you aren't going to be flattering to the man who just bought you a car, when are ya' gonna be ????
Second question....What is/does a "High Stakes Hostess" do, anyway? Make sure the high rollers get their drinks faster, than the guys on the one dollar slot machines get theirs?
 
He said there could be a genetic component to the slaughter: Paddock’s father was a bank robber who was on the FBI’s most-wanted list in the 1960s and was diagnosed a psychopath.

***“The genetics load the gun; personality and psychology aim it; and experiences pull the trigger, typically,” Clemente said***

*That is a clever tag line.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/04/las-vegas-details-cameras-on-hotel-room-door-about-10-minutes-of-shooting/
 
I remember reading he had it prescribed last year and also recently.

Not for nothing, who cares why he took Valium? Maybe he liked the calming effect. Maybe he had anxiety. Back spasms. To keep dwelling on the Valium script is useless unless there is more valid information of why he was prescribed it. How many posters here have shared their experiences regarding Valium, and how incredibly different have they been?
It's interesting to me because of his reported decline of mental health over the past year. Might mean something, might not.
 
I seriously doubt he made $5 million gambling. He might have had that much in winnings but he probably had at least that much that he paid in.

The only ways to make money gambling are blackjack (card counting) and poker. This guy played high limit slots among other things (which no card counter would ever do.) And card counters have to maintain low profiles and change casinos a lot (travel outside of Vegas) in order to avoid getting blacklisted, which it doesn't sound like he was doing.

However he made his money, I'm fairly certain it wasn't by gambling. That just seems to be how he spent it.
 
Las Vegas casinos are rich and in the future can afford metal detectors and gun screening at the point of entry. I am not assigning blame to them at all for this horrible crime, not at all! They could not expect this, they must feel horrible as we all do. But it is something they are in a unique position to prevent in the future. They can if they choose screen all entrants. There is a trade-off, but offering guests that extra security will be important in the future. Otherwise, many people might rightly decide I will not book a vacation at a resort that isn't screening guests for: guns, criminal records, psychopathy, paranoia, dangerous mental illnesses.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...egas-hotels-dont-have-metal-detectors-2017-10

Metal detectors and amped up security measures in hotel casinos are a hot topic right now. IMO things will prob transpire the same as after 9/11. Security will be tighter while things are still fresh, but then decrease once people feel safe again. We can’t let this one guy make us all live in fear. Where do you draw the line? Do we put metal detectors in supermarkets? Target? Doctors offices? If someone is truly set on causing mass damage, they will find a way. The Boston bombers used pressure cookers. Yes they didn’t kill as many as SP, but my point is, where there’s a will there’s a way.

I am from NJ and the aftermath of 9/11 was hard. People were really cautious, but at the same time did not want to live in fear and let the terrorists win. It makes me sad that we live in a world where it can be nerve wracking to travel on planes, go to nightclubs, marathons, concerts, hotels etc. We can’t let the killers win.

JMO obviously.
 
I actually kind of "get it". IF she was a sort of office wife, she may feel like she knew him very well. Office wives have knowledge of dirty laundry or less than flattering sides of boss than the general population do. If she thinks she was in that role and had that level of personal knowledge of him and yet was shocked by his actions that day ..

I can see here being like, what the heck? This is not at all the guy I knew. Breakdown? Tumor? Psychosis?

I can say, If anyone I spent time being around or communicating on a professional basis with daily committed and act like SP appears to have, my head would be spinning and I would be looking for any kind of answer that meant the guy I knew was the guy I thought he was. Otherwise, I mean

Sheesh

Can you imagine any person you interact with regularly DOING what SP did???

I’ve been a work wife twice. Currently am one. I’d be mortified if my previous or current boss did this. I cannot picture myself going on the record to vouch for either of them. I’d be questioning my own judge of character.
 
I don't know guys

https://soundcloud.com/alertpage-1/las-vegas-2nd-hour

Very strange

We have seen the videos .

The report is 404 transported to hospitals. After a while they said only life threatening just seems odd imo

There really is no dialog (like in Pulse) after breach

about victims, injuries, transport needs nothing that sounds like something like 404 folks in transport

about unit c heading to C with 4 victims

which hospitals are taking folks

kind of injuries (was a couple)

locations of where people are

no talking about where triage is set up

no request s for ambulances to move

paramedics

radio traffic slow

Notions??

relocate


orders from anyone

heard the word paramedics twice maybe

22000 thousand people are running around the city and nothing

just strange











There is just nothing
 
I actually kind of "get it". IF she was a sort of office wife, she may feel like she knew him very well. Office wives have knowledge of dirty laundry or less than flattering sides of boss than the general population do. If she thinks she was in that role and had that level of personal knowledge of him and yet was shocked by his actions that day ..

I can see here being like, what the heck? This is not at all the guy I knew. Breakdown? Tumor? Psychosis?

I can say, If anyone I spent time being around or communicating on a professional basis with daily committed and act like SP appears to have, my head would be spinning and I would be looking for any kind of answer that meant the guy I knew was the guy I thought he was. Otherwise, I mean

Sheesh

Can you imagine any person you interact with regularly DOING what SP did???

I think Stephen Paddock has a Jekyll and Hyde personality. No one knew the real Stephen Paddock.
 
It's interesting to me because of his reported decline of mental health over the past year. Might mean something, might not.

I understand. His script prob is connected to his mental health. But we don’t know that for a fact, and the varying opinions and experiences with Valium here are extreme. One nurse said 2mg is the norm and 10mg is far too much. Me? I didn’t even know they made a dosage as low as 2mg. Even 5mg wouldn’t do anything for me. So it’s all relative. I’m not a health professional. I’m a person who has taken Valium and has family members who are also prescribed Valium and it’s always 10mg.

The very strong differences and opinions on what’s appropriate to be prescribed is why I think it’s pointless to discuss unless there is official info about his script or a statement from his doctor. Which I don’t anticipate any time soon, if at all.
 
You can see every part of both doors except the lower part of the left door. There are 10 holes visible. Where would you expect the other 190 to be?
Lower on the door, (the section that we can not see because it is laying on its side.) and since the bullets were coming out so fast, maybe some went through the same holes or side walls. I don't know...but I have absolutely no reason to contradict anything LE is saying. He may have even shot through another door as well. But the original question I was responding to, was that the "shots were low and tight" which would explain the leg wound.
Having said that, #20 can look like 200 when you have gone 23 hours without sleep, receiving minute-by-minute updates, each more grim than the last and trying to answer questions from a room full of reporters.
Hey MooCow...you were the one who provided the great pic for us to discuss, in the first place. So thank you again.
 
http://mynews4.com/news/local/reno-...h-las-vegas-shooter-who-said-he-was-miserable

Paddock was miserable? just proves to ya money does not make you happy. Wonder what the percent of compulsive gamblers are suffering from some form of depression ?

I would not be surprised if Stephen Paddock is a constant complainer. This suggests that Stephen Paddock is possibly an injustice collector. That is what characterizes rampage killers and terrorists. of course this is too early to tell. We should hear more in the coming days.

Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole was on television. She stated that Stephen Paddock likely planned it for a while.

On Wound Collectors
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors

ICIT Analysis: The Wound Collectors
http://icitech.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/ICIT-Analysis-The-Wound-Collectors1.pdf

Psychology of Terrorism - National Criminal Justice Reference Service
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208552.PDF

The Dangerous Injustice Collector: Behaviors of Someone Who Never Forgets, Never Forgives, Never Lets Go, and Strikes Back!
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/vio.2014.1509

Murderous Envy
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/keeping-kids-safe/200905/murderous-envy

Injustice Collectors
http://www.psybersquare.com/family/family_injustice.html

1.) Injustice Collectors are convinced that they are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It is simple: They are always right.

2.) Injustice Collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3.) Injustice Collectors truly believe that they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others chronically do not hold themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4.) Injustice Collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combined legislator, police, and judge and jury of

5.) Injustice Collectors never worry about what is wrong with themselves as their "bad list" grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6.) Injustice Collectors are never upset by the disparity of their rules for others with their own expectations of themselves.

7.) Injustice Collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

Here are more with 20 characteristics
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/11/25/are-they-injustice-collector

Characteristics of Injustice Collectors

1. Injustice collectors are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It's simple: They are always right.

2. Injustice collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3. Injustice collectors truly believe they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others seem incapable of holding themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4. Injustice collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combination of legislator, police, judge and jury to those they consider their subjects. They forever banish from their kingdom any subject they deem disloyal, and only grant clemency if there is sufficient (in their eyes) contrition.

5. Injustice collectors never worry about what is wrong with them as their "bad" list grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6. Injustice collectors are never troubled by the disparity between their rules for others and their own expectations of themselves. Injustice collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

7. Injustice collectors have an external orientation; the problem always exists in the world, outside of themselves, and in their view, the world would be an acceptable place if their rules and standards were followed at all times.

8. Injustice collectors do not have a capacity for remorse, empathy or guilt.

9. Injustice collectors scoff at the idea of therapy, therapists, self-help books, and other tools used by people who struggle to live with them.

10. The phrase "walking on eggshells" describes life with an injustice collector.

11. The IC (injustice Collector) will prey upon your weaknesses to frame all issues in their terms.

12. IC's will always cry foul when you are 'mean' to them and accuse you of being nasty when you are confronting them with their negative behavior.

13. They are titanically insecure and cannot trust anyone. All relationships they have, even with their own parents and children and trustless and must be reinforced by subordination over and over.

14. They can only strengthen relationships through imprisoning their mates and banning behaviors and other relationships. Friends and family are a huge threat to the IC.

15. They must repetitively revisit situations where you service them, give in to them and agree with them. They will over time shrink your world to a small plot of empty activities that only they like. They are terrified of travel, meeting new people, understanding new concepts and paroling you from any punishment they have previously 'convicted' you of.

16. They do not care about you at all, they care about aggrandizing themselves with you as an assistant producer.

17. They will occasionally do something for you, but if you are not completely brainwashed, it will be a negative experience for you in the end. Example is throwing you a birthday party. I guarantee you will not have fun at your own party.

18. They will force you to choose between them and other things you like or love. The more you choose them, the more they will make you choose them over and over. They do not understand the concept of loyalty at all.

19. Hypocrisy is their modus operandi for debating and arguing with you. Everything they say about you is true about them. (aka Projection) It makes it so you try to 'win' fights by getting them to agree with you, which they never can because their whole position is false.

20. Your life will disappear into their lives. Your hopes and dreams will fade, even in your own mind. You will eat what they want, you will watch what they want on TV, you will vacation where they want, or not at all.

Identifying The Next Mass Murderer—Before It’s Too Late
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ntifying-the-next-mass-murderer-it-s-too-late

On June 17, 2015, according to authorities, Dylann Storm Roof (link is external) walked into the Emanuel
African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, sat down, and after an hour or so allegedly shot three men and six women, attending a bible study class. Immediately people began to take sides, and not just about the gun debate. Was this an act of terror? Was this a hate crime? Was this a “lone wolf?” Was this a conspiracy? On and on. What is interesting as well as frustrating is that none of these terms serve a useful purpose.

Four years ago, on July 22, 2011, Anders Behring Breivik set off a bomb near the government headquarters of the Labor Party in Oslo, Norway; after which he proceeded to the secluded island of Utøya, where he methodically killed, with a high powered rifle, 65 plus children attending a youth event. Does it matter if we call Anders Behring Breivik a terrorist, mass murderer, or a lone wolf? Not really, only one thing matters: how did he become this way, and were there signs that could have prevented this horrendous tragedy?

Once again we face a mass murder (FBI defined as 4 or more) and we need to get past the debate over the nomenclature (terrorist, extremist, mass murderer, lone wolf, genocide, etc.)—that serves no prophylactic purpose. When it comes to Dylann Storm Roof, Anders Behring Breivik, the Boston Marathon Bombers, or the likes of Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski known as the UNABOMBER, and Timothy McVeigh, it’s not what we call them, the issue is: could we have prevented their acts? The answer is yes. And yet, we seem to be incapacitated when we hear the term “lone wolf” or “solo terrorist” as if we were describing a demon beyond our capability to identify and stop.


From the article.
Narcissistic Traits
Paranoid Ideation
Passionate Hatred
Wound Collectors
Communication
Violence as Magic
Isolation
The Lethal Cocktail
Acting Out

Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

It starts at the 20:40 mark. It is from September 2013 from Websleuths Radio Interview. Tina Meier, Megan Meier's mother, is describing Lori Drew as a very talkative person who complained nonstop. She is described as a very unhappy and bitter person in a unhappy marriage. Drew wanted everyone to know her plight and suffering in life. She has trouble with relationships with people as it is likely very distorted. Meier describes Lori Drew who likes think that the grass is green on the other side. Drew is consumed by envy. Meier's description of Drew is typical of an injustice collector.

Meier's description of Drew is looking more similar to Stephen Paddock. Meier's description of Drew describes Michelle Carter, Jodi Arias, Yoselyn Ortega, Betty Broderick, Vester Flanagan, Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Andrew Kehoe, Omar Mateen, Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, Mohamed Atta, and Osama bin Laden. We should hear more about him later in the coming days.
 
It's interesting to me because of his reported decline of mental health over the past year. Might mean something, might not.

If I recall, mental illness tends to develop in late teens to 20s. It can develop as late as 40s.
 
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