POI: Joseph Brewer

[Anonymous19]

Somewhere in all these threads, "client/customer/John" review sites were briefly discussed. At that time, I think some required payment which we determined might prevent sex workers from utilizing the sites. I still think these sites could possibly hold valuable information... and it's possibly worth looking into again. There may be new (and hopefully reliable) websites being used by sex workers.

Also, there was a recent WS radio/podcast show... can't remember details but there is an organization (New Mexico, Arizona, ??) that has been helping sex workers. I don't have time this morning to look it up but I hope someone knows who/what I'm struggling to identify. :blushing:

In regards to reviewing clients There is usely you just do a review on the client based on his number. So you would have the clients number they called on and then review that number, that’s usely how it is done. Unfortunately a lot of girls don’t care they just get out of there if there is a issue and on to the next with out reporting the number, there is a lot of flaws as you can imagine with that system of review and it’s rarely done,

 

[lcl117]

who is sy?

 

[Anonymous19]

It’s very possible that SG may have had contact with LISK I don’t belive she was killed by him per say but it could be possible she may have had interaction with him as a client. It’s also very possible the Brewer may know who lisk is but not be the killer himself.

 

[maddalena1]

who is sy?

A guy who owns a house in oak beach. Why?

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[maddalena1]

I’m so glad someone did a post on Brewer! In every single article I’ve ever read he’s basically just brushed right past. Which IMO, is completely senseless! He is by FAR the best and most likely suspect! Everybody’s excuse for clearing him is always “He doesn’t match the killers M.O., Shannon had a driver and that doesn’t fit with the other cases since they were always told to come alone...” etc... So what does that mean? Brewer doesn’t pick up exports without killing them? I can guarantee you that LISK hasn’t murdered every escort he’s ever dated. I’m absolutely positive that the killer has had dates where the escort had a driver and to think otherwise is just plain stupid and shows a lack of real thought about LISK’s motives and and actions. If I was a detective working this case I would want to know ANY and EVERY john living in a 20 mile circle of Oak Beach that had ever picked up a escort off of the internet and they’d be prime suspects. And what do you know, there happens to be one living right in the epicenter of where all the bodies where found. Brewer. And then he has a escort run from his house screaming for her life, scared literally to death that shes about to be murdered. I mean its either the biggest coincidence in true crime history, or this guy did something to her to scare the hell out of her and make her fear for her life.
Then she DIES! And its thought that she drowned! In under 2’ of water (if there really was even that much in there at that time which I highly doubt)! I mean she could have just sat up and she would have been fine. So death by drowning; absolutely not a possibility. And then I’ve read she died by exposure. That’s almost as laughable as the drowning! In that warm of weather! Not possible, she would have died from thirst first Before succumbing to exposure. Nope, my guess is that she died from a heart attack after being drugged by Brewer while she was running for her life, scared shitless. Or she died from just being drugged. Brewer either gave her something disguised as something else or he spiked one of her drinks with something.
He’s the guy! I’d bet my house on it. If you just stand back and really think about what kind of guy you’re looking for, he matches almost to a T.
The first murder (known) took place in 1996 so we know he be between the ages of 35 and 55.
He’s white.
He’s always picking up escorts or having them come out to him.
He lives (or works) close by. He feels safe and comfortable dropping his victims there so he knows the area very well, in which case he most likely lives there (or had lived there in the past).
He’s strong.
He most likely is successful or at least the girls believe he is and that he has a lot of money and thats why he needs the girls to be

Wow, not sure how i missed this one. I could not have said it better.

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[maddalena1]

You can manipulate statistics all you want and think up crazy scenerios to investigate very peripheral people, but in my opionion the SK is CPH. All roads lead back to him starting with the 1982 murder of Tina Elizabeth Foglia on Feb. 1, 1982 when CPH was living nearby and in his first year of medical school (most likely his first year or second year) and LE said the body was dismembered with the skill of a doctor or surgeon. In 1994 Colleen McNamee was murdered after leaving a drug rehab clinic and Rita Tangredi-Beinlich murdered and dismembered in Blue Point. LE at the time stated Colleen's and Rita's murders were connected. Once again you can find CPH nearby. Can you say that about any other POI we have discussed? From at least 1996 to present we have a string of murders with CPH living in the vicinity. We have discussed many details pointing to him. The call to Shannan's mother was his first significant blunder. IMO exploring all these other people and theories is just passing time because CPH has been so clever they cannot nail him yet. I don't believe he will be able to control his evil impulses forever and they will nail him sooner or later. It is just a waiting game. JMO.

Interesting statement connecting tina foglia to this case. I agree.

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[maddalena1]

Not every four year old is interested in dissecting things to proudly present to their parents. That's the point. Most kids won't have anything to do with a lobster. For some reason that reminds me of when I was a kid, a preacher's kid at that. I remember playing with another preacher's kid who showed me how to take a magnifying glass and melt crayons on grasshopper's heads to make them squirm and die. Couldn't have been more than seven but even then I recognized a sadist in the making.

Abusing animals is a symptom in serial killers.

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[maddalena1]

Common sense to me imagining what went down with that and imagining the key word. Not even considering anything else just a situation where this would happen.

There are people at a house a prostitute works at late into the morning. She stays a long time and in the middle of this they run out of drugs and or condoms sex paraphernalia, with having her driver retrieve some for them they have to do it on their own. The prostitute and John run down to a well know Doctors home, they know he is up. The two come back from that to the home after a few minutes.

Things are getting way late, people are tired and possibly inebriated to the extreme at the end of this. One of the partiers make a remark or show the young girl something that she is unaware of. She freaks out and her driver or pimp is called in to remove her from the scene by someone. While this commotion is going on it dawns on her that the driver is part of something or even if not she cannot trust anyone at this point. What she realized was that bad. So she cannot go with her driver and makes a run for it. Upon finding a home and help she has to keep running because she is left outside while help is on the way.

She had already called 911 and knows that they are inefficient at the job and will not get to her for at least another hour. So she keeps running to get help or escape from the party house and all those involved. She runs into the marshy field to get away from the road after multiple failed attempts at true safety. What became of her after this I don't know.
After the fall out from that situation the powers that be from the party house try in vain to CYA and involve the doctor they went to that night by asking for his help with the underlying threat of we will expose you also.

all that is just of course a may have happened and nothing but possible fiction
Just thinking what in the world have happened that night and what makes any sense of it, idk. I cannot wait for more info such as the ME report.
because we are all spinning straws here, imo.
grr

This theory is similar to mine.

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[maddalena1]

Is it possible that Brewer ordered Shannan's services for someone else? Another person that has not been named? Is there a chance that Brewer was paid to insulate this individual? Yes, I agree that there are no facts. But facts are not easy to come by in most serial killer cases. However, many dead sex workers were found in the vicinity both male and female which makes me believe that the LISK may be bi-sexual. DId anyone watch the show about the Atlantic City serial killings? If so, one or two of the sex workers said that they saw two girls that may have been dead in the hotel room that they were partying in. I believe that Shannan saw something that night that terrified her and made her run for her life. I do not believe that she drowned. There is a real life boogey man on Long Island that stopped killing because the police have gotten to close-IMHO.

Yep

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[maddalena1]

BBM - Welcome to WS's Maddalensagirl!!! I have followed the Atlantic City murders for a while now, and I do not recall hearing that any of the sex workers involved had seen anyone dead in a hotel room. Do you have a link, or remember where you heard that info? Fascinating.....

I saw it on tv

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[maddalena1]

I am kind of slow today but reading the thread......if there is a hint to Master Of Ceremonies .......it is when Mad says

"I have a GUt Feeling"

I Get GU...........what if an s is added?????? What would that do Mad????

That would make sense he was up in the bathroom wonder why he has so many questionable comments.....projections....strong verbage....

So IMO it would be GC

DO I HAVE ONE GOOD BINGO?
Makes sense he is at the gate .....while he leaves his wife while a killer is running around.......found 100 feet from GC seeing her...

Make sense tapes are gone GC would be at the gate....
GC would be at the ripe age in the 70's

So......How's That????? IMO you think GC

Not gc

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[WINDSOR]

I was going to post this on a CPH thread, but there does not seem to be one.

Anyways, some people are speculating about CPH's involvement in past serious crimes, by the fact he lived in the same general location as the deceased. I am trying to keep an open mind about this though.

It is my understanding that serial killers tend to be solitary individuals as their personalities can preclude lasting interpersonal relationships.

Hasn't CPH been married for a considerable number of years to the same woman and have they not raised a family? This fact alone would make one think twice about labelling CPH as a serious suspect either in Shannan's death or as the LISK.

In fact to be either one, you would have to assume the cooperation and collusion on the part of the wife. I do know historically there have been a number of husband and wife teams who have murdered. Thoughts?

 

[maddalena1]

I was going to post this on a CPH thread, but there does not seem to be one.

Anyways, some people are speculating about CPH's involvement in past serious crimes, by the fact he lived in the same general location as the deceased. I am trying to keep an open mind about this though.

It is my understanding that serial killers tend to be solitary individuals as their personalities can preclude lasting interpersonal relationships.

Hasn't CPH been married for a considerable number of years to the same woman and have they not raised a family? This fact alone would make one think twice about labelling CPH as a serious suspect either in Shannan's death or as the LISK.

In fact to be either one, you would have to assume the cooperation and collusion on the part of the wife. I do know historically there have been a number of husband and wife teams who have murdered. Thoughts?

I believe sks are fragmented and can successfully be married and kill without their family knowing.

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[Scorpio girl]

I was going to post this on a CPH thread, but there does not seem to be one.

Anyways, some people are speculating about CPH's involvement in past serious crimes, by the fact he lived in the same general location as the deceased. I am trying to keep an open mind about this though.

It is my understanding that serial killers tend to be solitary individuals as their personalities can preclude lasting interpersonal relationships.

Hasn't CPH been married for a considerable number of years to the same woman and have they not raised a family? This fact alone would make one think twice about labelling CPH as a serious suspect either in Shannan's death or as the LISK.

In fact to be either one, you would have to assume the cooperation and collusion on the part of the wife. I do know historically there have been a number of husband and wife teams who have murdered. Thoughts?

Whether or not CPH is LISK or not has been covered on WS for years and years.
But, what's even better than just hearsay or idle gossip or idle chatter or even
direct accusations, is that

John Ray asked CPH if he was LISK or involved with any of the bodies that were
found along Ocean Parkway in the 3rd deposition.

I strongly urge you to go to the courthouse and read it, asap.

And not only that, John was discussing some notes that CPH took and that he (CPH)
wrote in a notebook.

CPH hand wrote

" mea culpa"

and underneath it

CPH wrote

"I am culpable, I have sinned"

and then the catholic boy wrote

"Dominus vobiscum"

as well as
"et *advertiser censored* spiritual o"

 

[deedee21]

Scorpio girl, did CPH give an explanation to John Ray?

 

[Scorpio girl]

Scorpio girl, did CPH give an explanation to John Ray?

An explanation? COME ON - as if.

Hackett is a very smart man, no doubt about it.
He's very very clever.

It's a shame you can't get to the courthouse to read
his depositions, they really show how his mind works.

 

[WINDSOR]

I believe that some killers, build up such a sense of guilt and remorse in a part of their mind, that they want to be caught and stopped.

Imagine living with those terrible secrets day in and day out. Of course another part of the mind gets tremendous pleasure and satisfaction from the killing and does not want to stop.

What an internal conflict to be cursed with. These individuals can become so mentally exhausted with time, they become a little more careless, either consciously or subconsciously. They soon realise that the internal conflict between good and evil that is going on in their mind, will only stop with their capture or death. Sometimes capture will not release them, and they often take their own lives.

In their minds they will create scenarios that justify the killing, so they can go on. The killer cannot admit guilt and or turn himself in. That would involve him accepting what an evil person he is, and his mind will not allow that.

The notes and depositions you refer to, in context, could very well be ways of a) showing remorse in a small way, b) allowing himself to be caught, c) or meaningless.



However when combined with the totality of other evidence it might be extremely meaningful.

I saw part of the interrogation of Russell Williams, the Canadian Serial Killer. The confession came after the police officer reminded Williams what a relief he would feel when he told the truth about his crimes.

BTW, Williams was married and a senior military officer. His wife was totally unaware of his crimes, even though he had 'souvenirs' hidden about the family home.

Interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLJzNpVrcGU

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[Hotpotato]

I was going to post this on a CPH thread, but there does not seem to be one.

Anyways, some people are speculating about CPH's involvement in past serious crimes, by the fact he lived in the same general location as the deceased. I am trying to keep an open mind about this though.

It is my understanding that serial killers tend to be solitary individuals as their personalities can preclude lasting interpersonal relationships.

Hasn't CPH been married for a considerable number of years to the same woman and have they not raised a family? This fact alone would make one think twice about labelling CPH as a serious suspect either in Shannan's death or as the LISK.

In fact to be either one, you would have to assume the cooperation and collusion on the part of the wife. I do know historically there have been a number of husband and wife teams who have murdered. Thoughts?

I think a huge issue is people trying to make a serial killer fit a certain profile. It’s just not helpful. Ya many are solitary but many are married, family men. There just isn’t a mold. I think profiling lisk is a huge waste of Time MOO. I think certain things make sense like knowledge of the area, etc. but I don’t know. I live across the country, and from what I’ve heard it sounds like a great place to dump bodies so it could be as simple as that.

 

[Scorpio girl]

The notes and depositions you refer to, in context, could very well be ways of a) showing remorse in a small way, b) allowing himself to be caught, c) or meaningless.



However when combined with the totality of other evidence it might be extremely meaningful.


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It appears don't know what a deposition is.

Here - is a definition I found while googling it on the internet.

Deposition Basics
Unlike the information recorded in documents or the attorneys' answers to interrogatories, a deposition involves a living, breathing witness being asked questions about the case. The deposition has two purposes: To find out what the witness knows and to preserve that witness' testimony. The intent is to allow the parties to learn all of the facts before the trial, so that no one is surprised once that witness is on the stand. Contrary to what countless movies and TV shows would have you believe, springing a surprise witness at the eleventh hour of a trial is regarded as unfair. By the time a trial begins, the parties should know who all of the witnesses will be and what they'll say during testimony.


A deposition is an opportunity for understanding the case better and not solely about getting favorable testimony. If, for example, a witness' version of events would undermine your case, that's something you'd need to know about long before trial, since last thing you'd want is to be caught off-guard by hearing damaging testimony for the first time when that witness takes the stand. The deposition is an opportunity for all sides to learn where the weak spots are in their respective cases, then prepare for ways to avoid or rebut them at trial.


How Depositions Work
Depositions don't take place in courtrooms. Instead, they usually takes place in attorneys' offices. The attorneys will ask the witness, or deponent, a series of questions about facts and events related to the lawsuit with the entire deposition recorded word-for-word by a court reporter. The reporter is present throughout the session and will produce a transcript at a later time. A deposition can also be videotaped. This is usually done when the deponent is very ill and may not be well enough for trial or if the deponent will be out of town or otherwise unavailable during trial.

All parties to the case may attend the deposition and a deponent often has his or her attorney present, albeit with a more limited role than the attorney would have in a courtroom. Generally, deposition questions can be broader than what is allowed in court. Attorneys for the deponent or parties to the lawsuit may make objections to some inquiries, but the deponent is usually obligated to answer all proper questions despite objections, which will get ruled on later since judges are not present at depositions (except in special cases where immediate rulings may be necessary). The deponent does not ask any questions. He or she only gives answers.

A deposition can be as short as fifteen minutes or a long as a week or more for a heavily-involved witness. All depositions are very serious matters and what's said at a deposition is very important. Deponents should listen to the questions carefully and answer them precisely. Remember, deponents are under oath. False statements made under oath can have both civil and criminal penalties.

When Are Depositions Necessary?
Whether a deposition is needed depends on the unique facts and circumstances of each case. Cases that involve only legal, not factual, issues usually do not require depositions since witness testimony and other evidence is not relevant to these decisions. In many lawsuits, however, depositions play an important role in painting a more complete picture of the events in question.

If you are ever expected to be a witness in a lawsuit, be sure to familiarize yourself with what's involved in any potential depositions. It may also be prudent to contact a private attorney who can help guide you and preserve your interests, particularly in complex matters with multiple parties.

 

[Vapor]

So he never put those notes into words for the deposition? He just jotted them down for anyones eyes to see that was present during the deposition?