I know...Dr. Phil conveniently says it for him years later....which potentially creates an alternate timeline of the fateful night's events. Having said that, they were like politicians in those initial interviews. They didn't reveal anything that they didn't have to. He has no incentive to bring up a flashlight because it wasn't mentioned at that point in time. Later on they get to the flashlight but the question does not cover bedtime.
Tortoise made a great point earlier. John can easily be describing the same event and really hasn't deviated from it. It is BDI that is creating extra trips downstairs and upstairs based on the wording of two statements made nearly two decades apart, one of which didn't even technically come from his mouth.
Do I think the statement is significant? Yes. It's an odd thing to claim, even if by proxy(Dr. Phil). Walking around a house using a flashlight when there's nothing wrong with the electricity is an eccentric and creepy thing to do. Doing it on a night where murder takes place magnifies it. None of the reasons for doing this are kosher. Is John preparing for some sick games? Is Patsy suffering from photophobia due to benzo withdrawals?
But that's not really what he did, is it?
BDI is so intent on placing the flashlight in Burke's hands that they simply sidestep the fact John is using it in the first place.
Confirmation bias at its finest.
What new allegations? Is this more of that imaginary evidence that BDI has patented?
The timeline has always been confused. The main thing to take from those statements is we've got John up using a flashlight(I guess that melatonin was a placebo) in a house where no one is likely to be sleeping. Which leads us to...
That's a loaded statement. It doesn't insinuate sleep....it insinuates people being awake. Or is this some Alice Through the Looking Glass version of Schrodinger's Cat(or Schrodinger's Ramsey) where before the door is opened and the Ramseys are observed, they are both awake and asleep? I know BDI love leapfrogging between John being both awake and asleep but that's taking it to a whole new level.
He's gave us little peaks behind the curtain. Thanks to Burke(and Burke alone), we have a scenario where she's last seen walking up the stairs with Patsy. THis goes against all other scenarios. He also heard things. He also believed they'd probably find her in the house. Now we've got them "kinda in bed".
He's been trying to tell us something since he was a child but unfortunately no one wants to listen.
singularity,
Tortoise made a great point earlier. John can easily be describing the same event and really hasn't deviated from it. It is BDI that is creating extra trips downstairs and upstairs based on the wording of two statements made nearly two decades apart, one of which didn't even technically come from his mouth.
Nope the number of trips either by JR or BR is technically a
non-sequitur. Parsing the BDI theories must be having a detrimental effect on your ability to reason.
Whether JR runs up and down the stairs thirty times, whilst BR is independently doing the same thing twenty times, then ramnesia compresses this into one journey up and down, all means?
Do I think the statement is significant? Yes. It's an odd thing to claim, even if by proxy(Dr. Phil). Walking around a house using a flashlight when there's nothing wrong with the electricity is an eccentric and creepy thing to do. Doing it on a night where murder takes place magnifies it. None of the reasons for doing this are kosher. Is John preparing for some sick games? Is Patsy suffering from photophobia due to benzo withdrawals?
The important stuff is the new information, not revealed years ago, e.g. the flashlight, and BR sneaking back downstairs.
Note: BR agrees with Dr Phil's claim :
DR PHIL: I think your dad had said he used the flashlight that night to put you to bed, and then you snuck downstairs to play?
BURKE: Yeah, I had some toy that I wanted to put together. I remember being downstairs after everyone was kinda in bed, and wanting to get this thing out.
Burke does not dissent from or qualify what Dr Phil says.
The implied question is
who took the flashlight back downstairs, since it was found wiped clean downstairs?
Is the new information about the flashlight valid, maybe it never traveled upstairs, and its smoke and mirrors on JR's behalf?
UKGuy said:
Since Burke agrees with Dr Phil's narrative, and catches Ramnesia over using the flashlight?
But that's not really what he did, is it?
DR PHIL: Did you use the flashlight, so you wouldn't be seen?
BURKE: I don't remember. I just remember being downstairs, I remember this toy.
He says he forgets, that's ramnesia, and an implied answer to who took the flashlight back downstairs, e.g. JR or PR ? That is JR takes the flashlight to his bedroom which he or Patsy use later.
What new allegations? Is this more of that imaginary evidence that BDI has patented?
The ones contained in the unedited CBS movies, one of which was not broadcast due to litigation threats from LW.
The timeline has always been confused. The main thing to take from those statements is we've got John up using a flashlight(I guess that melatonin was a placebo) in a house where no one is likely to be sleeping. Which leads us to...
You even manage to confuse yourself, since JR only put BR to bed once using the flashlight, then he took a melatonin. Unless of course you wish to disagree with
Tortoise?
VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF JOHN BENNETT RAMSEY 10 December 12, 2001, excerpt
1 A. I went downstairs to get Burke in
2 bed. He was putting together a little plastic toy
3 that he had gotten for Christmas. I helped him
4 finish it so he could get off to bed. And we
5 did that, and then I went to bed myself.
6 Q. When you say you went to bed
7 yourself, do you remember exactly the sequence by
8 which you prepared for going to bed that night?
9 A. I think I took my clothes off,
10 brushed my teeth, put my pajamas on, and crawled
11 into bed. That's --
12 Q. Did you do anything else?
13 A. Not that I remember.
14 Q. Did you use anything to help yourself
15 go to sleep?
16 A. I took a melatonin tablet.
1998 Boulder Police Interview, excerpt
8 JOHN RAMSEY: It was probably nineish, 9:15
9 maybe. (INAUDIBLE).
10 LOU SMIT: So you looked for Burke?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Then I got Burke on his
12 way to bed. I guess I must have gotten him for
13 bed, but I don't remember now for sure. But he got
14 in bed, and by the time I got to bed I think Patsy
15 had already been.
16 LOU SMIT: You just go right directly from
17 Burke and came upstairs? Is that what your saying?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. I believe so.
19 LOU SMIT: And what is your routine then?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I just got ready for bed:
21 brushed my teeth probably. I did take a Melatonin
22 that night.
That's a loaded statement. It doesn't insinuate sleep....it insinuates people being awake. Or is this some Alice Through the Looking Glass version of Schrodinger's Cat(or Schrodinger's Ramsey) where before the door is opened and the Ramseys are observed, they are both awake and asleep? I know BDI love leapfrogging between John being both awake and asleep but that's taking it to a whole new level.
You have obviously been reading far too much quantum theory. BR is patently saying he was awake, and everyone else, well they were behind their bedroom door.
The very important implied qualification here is that JonBenet is in her bedroom, i.e. not downstairs.
He's been trying to tell us something since he was a child but unfortunately no one wants to listen.
Burke also told Dr. Phil why he has been reluctant to talk to the media before now.
For a long time the media basically made our lives crazy, he said, explaining that a simple trip to the supermarket could become a chaotic nightmare where he would see tabloids with his and JonBenéts picture on the cover. I was pretty skeptical of any sort of media, he said. It just made me a very private person.
He also shared his happy memories of the Christmas morning with his sister, and shared that he and JonBenét came downstairs to peek at their gifts which included bikes, a Nintendo 64, and a dollhouse. The last time that he remembers seeing his sister alive, he said, was in the car on the way back from Fleet Whites house where he and his parents had attended a Christmas party that day.
When said that when he went downstairs, he remembers the slightly surreal scene unfolding as he was told that his sister was missing and telling the police officer who broke the news that she was probably hiding somewhere.
Sure police think she has been kidnapped BR says nah she is hiding out in the house ...
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