CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #1

[MaryG12]

Not Prince Valiant?

LMAO

:laughing:

 

[Doghairrules]

Several neighbors recalled an incident several months ago in which a number of children were out in front of the house late at night working under floodlights to put sod in the yard.

Code enforcement had visited the neighborhood and was citing homes with unkept yards, said Gary Stein, 32, who lives on the street.

There were two adults and maybe four or five kids who looked relatively young — maybe around 10 years old, Stein said.

“I thought it was weird, but I’m the kind of guy that doesn’t want to get in anybody’s business,” he said.

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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-perris-children-shackled-20180115-story.html


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You know what? I appreciate what the neighbor is saying but we ALL need to get in other peoples business a little more when things don’t seem right.

 

[arkansasmimi]

LT mother passed in 2016 her obit http://www.cravens-shires.com/obituary/3606439

LT was member of Church of God. She has 6 siblings and there are 28 grands at that time. Whew lots of kids no husband listed.

 

[charminglane]

Bankruptcy, yet money spent on Elvis and the dresses.
More than twice.

 

[yurena]

Here is the pic from Sept. 2013 of another vow renewal. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...55931123.80723.100001809545334&type=3&theater
And the pic from Sept. 2013 where she looks pregnant is here: https://my.upostcards.com/Pages/ViewPostcard/1939203/2E7F97

In both of these pictures there are 12 children. in the wedding renewal posted 2016, it's the same 12 kids, all 3 years older, plus the child born in 2015. So where is the child from 2013?

Additionally, In Dec 2010, on this photo, they commented that 'in 9 months we'll have another one". https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...043288147.1792.100001809545334&type=3&theater So that child would have been born around Sept. 2011, and would have been 2 in the 2013 photo. Where is that child? There are children missing, or children who ended up not born....IMO.

As for the health of the children, in the 'Thing" pic, the girls on the left side as you look at the photo seem very thin. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...55931123.80723.100001809545334&type=3&theater

Why are the children wearing a tshirt with the word thing and a number? The parents posted this on the FB page and none of their contacts thought that was super creepy and a red flag?

 

[georgiajean]

30th anniversary Vow Renewal video, October 31, 2015:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-California-home.html#v-4417404295628698516

I had been looking for the video (because a comment on a photo mentioned it). Thank you!

 

[jenves]

Why are the children wearing a tshirt with the word thing and a number? The parents posted this on the FB page and none of their contacts thought that was super creepy and a red flag?

Because they are popular Dr. Suess characters. Well only Thing 1 and 2 not 3456789101112...


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[Doghairrules]

Here is the pic from Sept. 2013 of another vow renewal. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...55931123.80723.100001809545334&type=3&theater
And the pic from Sept. 2013 where she looks pregnant is here: https://my.upostcards.com/Pages/ViewPostcard/1939203/2E7F97

In both of these pictures there are 12 children. in the wedding renewal posted 2016, it's the same 12 kids, all 3 years older, plus the child born in 2015. So where is the child from 2013?

Additionally, In Dec 2010, on this photo, they commented that 'in 9 months we'll have another one". https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...043288147.1792.100001809545334&type=3&theater So that child would have been born around Sept. 2011, and would have been 2 in the 2013 photo. Where is that child? There are children missing, or children who ended up not born....IMO.

As for the health of the children, in the 'Thing" pic, the girls on the left side as you look at the photo seem very thin. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...55931123.80723.100001809545334&type=3&theater

Yep. And the one who I think is the oldest son on the right looks downright skeletal.

 

[bears10]

Yep. And the one who I think is the oldest son on the right looks downright skeletal.

The haircuts on the males remind me of Adam Lanza.


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[bears10]

Bankruptcy, yet money spent on Elvis and the dresses.
More than twice.

Yes! Wedding dresses are NOT cheap!

Edit - just watched the video of their vow renewal. The dress may be courtesy of the chapel from the looks of it. Source - got married in Vegas but not in a cheesy chapel lol but I looked into a lot of elopement packages before deciding not to go with one


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[kaen]

Conceiving at 46 naturally isn’t common. Sorry, it just isn’t. Unless there’s pics of her pregnant with the youngest, my gut is telling me it may not be her child.


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On one of the Disney pictures, a remark is made about the 12 kids with her pregnant with 13. She also responds to another post talking about missing the in vitro people. I think all 13 are her bio children.

 

[MaryG12]

I have the same reaction. No offense to you that sport a bowl-cut. It just looks especially odd ball on this character.

Which is why I brought up the name Jimmy Savile on my first post on this thread:

 

[georgiajean]

Bankruptcy, yet money spent on Elvis and the dresses.
More than twice.

Bankruptcy twice, and at least 3 Elvis weddings, numerous trips to Disney (NOT cheap), and Circus Circus. What happened here? How did they slip under the radar? How man of the children were born out of medical system?

 

[rosesfromangels]

I bet we will learn ALOT from the 17 year old. Brave, brave girl.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Why are the children wearing a tshirt with the word thing and a number? The parents posted this on the FB page and none of their contacts thought that was super creepy and a red flag?

Dr Seuss like thing 1 and thing 2. Looks like they dress alike in all group photos. But no photos of other kids alone or other ages except the infant :thinking:

 

[ElementalLaura]

Yes! Wedding dresses are NOT cheap!

Edit - just watched the video of their vow renewal. The dress may be courtesy of the chapel from the looks of it. Source - got married in Vegas but not in a cheesy chapel lol but I looked into a lot of elopement packages before deciding not to go with one


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Well ... in this case, she may have been able to rent one at the chapel. I don't know if that would meet her fantasy, though (and aside from the shared culpability with the treatment of kids, I'm betting on the wedding schtick being her dream.

 

[Doghairrules]

I was just wondering why the 17 year old and not one of the adult children and it struck me that in pictures from several years ago the older children start looking malnourished and the young ones don’t. Maybe that’s how they controlled the adults. Sigh.

 

[Spellbound]

Yes! Wedding dresses are NOT cheap!

Edit - just watched the video of their vow renewal. The dress may be courtesy of the chapel from the looks of it. Source - got married in Vegas but not in a cheesy chapel lol but I looked into a lot of elopement packages before deciding not to go with one


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doesn’t it look like she always wore the same wedding dress for each service? probably her original dress, and she could still fit into it. Or could she rent the same dress through the years?

 

[bears10]

On one of the Disney pictures, a remark is made about the 12 kids with her pregnant with 13. She also responds to another post talking about missing the in vitro people. I think all 13 are her bio children.

I didn’t see that post, but in vitro is pretty much the only thing that would make sense if the baby is truly hers imo. But given the hefty expense of even one cycle, I can’t help but wonder how they could afford it.


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[georgiajean]

Well ... in this case, she may have been able to rent one at the chapel. I don't know if that would meet her fantasy, though (and aside from the shared culpability with the treatment of kids, I'm betting on the wedding schtick being her dream.

I saw DT getting all weepy and wiping his eyes. Now wondering if they were both off their rockers living a fantasy life. They seem to behave in very child-like ways.

Hoping that folks who knew them (as opposed to neighbors) will start coming forward. People he worked for, people they knew in Texas, etc. (They lived in Texas until about 2009/10 when they moved to Ca).