CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #1

[EuTuCroquet?]

Because this case is pretty much guaranteed to be high-profile, we will see TONS of social media rumors, and likely a bunch of new members here (YAY!).

Just to help our incredible mods from having to do a ton of clean-up here, I am posting the link to the rules regarding social media here. If we follow them, we don't run the risk of getting the thread shut down for cleanup!

I had to look them up myself to brush up.


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[keeleydoll]

I'd also be willing to guess there's not much use of the internet or television in their household. No chance for Mom to watch tv shows where she might learn about proper health and nutrition or how healthy children look. She should know better, though. I'm sensing some kind of OCD related to food and meal time. Some people have a lot of paranoia and obsessive thinking about how much and what they eat, e.g. anorexic behavior. The mom looks pretty well fed, though.

Only photo public on her personal FB posted in 2013. She looks anorexic and unwell. Anorexia/eating disorders are quite often coexisting with other mental illnesses.

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[bestill]

And also, regarding tracking down siblings, in 2013 Billy Lambert posted

Elizabeth commented on that and responded

:thinking:

Careful sleuthing victim and family members and posting direct social media information. It's against Websleuth's rules unless a mod approves.

 

[hopekiser1219]

Anyone know how long they were held there? How long it's been since they were seen last?


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[Margo/Mom]

Even a direct report to LE or CPS, without something beyond a creepy feeling, wouldn't have gotten anywhere.

CPS would (rightly) ask about what the neighbor (or whomever) was concerned about. Without something fairly concrete, they could go knock on the door and the parent who answers would be within their rights to turn them away. And in fact, many homeschool sites online advise families of this. Rightly or wrongly many such "off the grid" families operate under a high level of paranoia about "the state" coming after them.

Certainly we all need to be aware and share when we see something indicative of abuse/neglect. But we also need to have policies in place require some regulation of homeschooling (and private schooling) because it can so easily become a cover for abuse.

 

[laurelcoronet]

Careful sleuthing victim and family members and posting direct social media information. It's against Websleuth's rules unless a mod approves.

Woops, sorry! I was trying to track down the rules and having trouble

 

[LietKynes]

Anyone know how long they were held there? How long it's been since they were seen last?


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RSBM

It's telling that some of their nearby/next door neighbors didn't know they even HAD children ! According to the news articles... the kids were allowed out for the macabre 'wedding' ceremonies and those 'trips' to Disneyland. Possible bribes to silence all of the abuse ?
And otherwise kept inside the house of horrors.
:moo:

 

[Betty P]

Even a direct report to LE or CPS, without something beyond a creepy feeling, wouldn't have gotten anywhere.

CPS would (rightly) ask about what the neighbor (or whomever) was concerned about. Without something fairly concrete, they could go knock on the door and the parent who answers would be within their rights to turn them away. And in fact, many homeschool sites online advise families of this. Rightly or wrongly many such "off the grid" families operate under a high level of paranoia about "the state" coming after them.

Certainly we all need to be aware and share when we see something indicative of abuse/neglect. But we also need to have policies in place require some regulation of homeschooling (and private schooling) because it can so easily become a cover for abuse.

In the press conference today, LE, the mayor, CFS, everyone kept emphasizing that people should report to them if they see something wrong like the situation with the Turpin family. So they must feel they have the proper authority to investigate these cases of abuse. I'm willing to defer to LE's judgment on this and call if I see something is wrong.

 

[rsd1200]

All said though, from the ultra religious standpoint the Elvis stuff, normal-ish clothing, mom’s strapless wedding dresses, all the DVDs, Vegas trips, etc. would be odd and generally not tolerated by most of the more “mainstream” evangelical Christian groups. Several Christian groups also have a problem with Disney in general and have boycotted the brand en masse in the past.


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I don't think that they are a part of any real religious group/org/church. I think that she has taken parts of her upbringing, and maybe mixed it with the "quiver full" families they've seen on t.v., poured in their own thoughts, and come up with their own beliefs that they follow. They are, basically, the only members of their own church. The parents didn't want anyone turning in their membership, and leaving, either. That's just my feel.

 

[Hatfield]

How do they look sickly? They look healthy to me. This family has plenty of public social media to almost instantly dispute any rash accusations.MOO

The birth dates of that other family show that they had children once a year for quite a few years. Its almost like they were on a mission to have as many kids as possible.

I wonder if there is a financial incentive in having so many kids and they just claim its for other reasons.

 

[rsd1200]

I'm starting to agree with the former poster here who stated she thought both parents are narcissists who only care about themselves and satisfying their own personal needs.
I've seen parents like this with several kids who are neglected, semi-starved, poorly dressed, physically abused, isolated.
It's more common than most people would believe. Maybe not to the extreme of this family. But I don't cut the parents
any slack. The mother definitely lacks a nuturing gene. Maybe she was a neglected child and never learned how to
be a good parent or how to be concerned for her children's welfare. but at some point it seems that common sense would kick in and she would figure it out, IF SHE CAREd. BUT NEITHER PARENT CARED ENOUGH TO CHANGE.
Same w/ David. I think the 2 bankruptcies was a scheme. charge up major credit card debt, then walk away from it.
His parents must be cringeing that they raised this son and her parents also. Irresponsible and narcisstic both of them.

I think David is the smart one out of the two. If she believes like I think she does, he is the King of the Castle. What he says goes. Defer, always, to the male. Divorce is not an option, make your man happy, and everyone will be happy.

 

[PennyPie7]

BBM, I was raised by my grandparents. They often spoke about the man in the family eating good food while the rest didn't. This is nothing new. I don't believe it's a "religious" thing, just a fact of life, probably practiced by many "tribes" in the old days.

Funny you mention that... my mother would serve my father 3 plates full of food but the children were allowed one strict serving. And I went on to develop some pretty severe eating disorders through my teen years. It's a shame that people think they're doing something normal or benign and have no concept of how it's going to affect their kids.

 

[Betty P]

How do they look sickly? They look healthy to me. This family has plenty of public social media to almost instantly dispute any rash accusations.MOO

The children, especially the boys look very thin and emaciated. The baby the mom is holding doesn't look healthy either, with thin forearms. The little girl wearing boots standing in front of the boys is very thin with a distended stomach, another sign of being malnourished. The little girl dressed in black on the far right has very skinny arms. I notice this family and the Turpins have a tendency to dress their kids in bulky, baggy clothing which hides their thin bodies.

http://rodriguesfamilyministries.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/cropped-Website-cover-1.jpg

 

[doyoulovemepfg]

Just noticed in this Disneyland pic (with other relatives), how the girls are dressed as three sets of triplets. The youngest, the middle, the oldest. And the boys are dressed as a set of triplets. This was posted Aug 2011. Nine girls, three boys.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=c6c7515d3b7e54630537d1ecf9a12c6b&oe=5AE2902D

A year later, Aug 2012, this pic is posted. Now it could be from the same time frame, but you'll see the exact same outfits as the pic from above: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...55931123.80723.100001809545334&type=3&theater Now the comment "are any of your kids twins" makes more sense, because they are dressed as sets of triplets....

In that 2011 picture, there's another boy that kind of looks like the sons. I'm not sure whether this is another relative... but I wanted to point it out to get second opinions on it.

 

[ElementalLaura]

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If the younger sister was being sexually abused after Louise's marriage, maybe Louise was the victim before she got married and left. Good reason to marry at 16 and get outta dodge. MOO.

That's what I'm wondering.

 

[Electric Sheep]

Funny you mention that... my mother would serve my father 3 plates full of food but the children were allowed one strict serving. And I went on to develop some pretty severe eating disorders through my teen years. It's a shame that people think they're doing something normal or benign and have no concept of how it's going to affect their kids.

I think it hails back to the days when the man of the house got the most/best food so he would have the strength to work and earn a living at a time when most jobs were still manual labor.

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[Hatfield]

I don't think that they are a part of any real religious group/org/church. I think that she has taken parts of her upbringing, and maybe mixed it with the "quiver full" families they've seen on t.v., poured in their own thoughts, and come up with their own beliefs that they follow. They are, basically, the only members of their own church. The parents didn't want anyone turning in their membership, and leaving, either. That's just my feel.

JMO
I agree.

The poor children is all I keep thinking about. Being somewhat isolated from society's norms and not knowing any different because all their "teachings" are coming from inside the family.

They probably did not even know that real emotional and developmental harm was being done to them.

For people that may not see the emotional and mental harm that happens in families with such extreme and unique religous teachings then I just keep going back to the Bevers case. It finally hit a breaking point in that family until the two young brothers killed almost the entire family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Arrow_killings

 

[borndem]

I can’t find the comment she made about the hubby working for Northrop again. I wanted to compare the date to what the company said he last worked there (2010)


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Curious, isn't it? Do we know why he left Northrup? Did I miss that some where? I'd surely like to know why he isn't working there any more. Too busy making Vegas & Disney trips? Too busy raising & schooling their children?

On another note -- do we know whether either of the two parents were raised in a way similar to the way they have "raised" their children? Does either of them come from a large family? Was either of them kept inside their house and chained-up to a piece of furniture when s/he was growing up? (Serious questions -- no sarcasm intended.)

 

[LietKynes]

If a relative will not let you speak to the kids , or won't allow you to enter their house... Should really put up warning flags.
There's not much you can do about it -- but you SHOULD contact the authorities. At least you know you tried.

People who close their eyes to abuse and do nothing are also complicit.

Gabriel Lopez' teacher contacted the authorities more than once about the condition he was in. Sadly, CPS let it go ... and allowed him to die.
There is no excuse to just do nothing.
Sick of these stories of abuse --where it might have been prevented.

If these abusers (Turpin parents) didn't report these births/no social sec. number; wonder if there are bodies buried in their yard, or elsewhere ?
They were so secretive.
:moo:

 

[mrsward]

may have been posted already.. i havent caught up havent caught up yet , im still looking at the bizzare photos !!

interesting read .
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...rnia-captives-psychology-motive-a8162136.html