CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #5

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I am so glad you brought this up. No matter the height, 82 pounds is nearing critical organ failure for an adult woman. I wonder as others have if this was the last straw for them, that this sibling was approaching death and LT still refusing to allow her any food. And yes, they would be charged with murder if any of them died of neglect and abuse. If any of the survivors die in the future from causes related to neglect and abuse, they may still face murder charges (for instance kidney, liver or heart failure linked to starvation).

One of my concerns was since she is an adult, she was responsible for herself in the eyes of the law. However, they kept her, she stayed, they restrained her sometimes, is that kidnapping? Plus she didn't feel like she could leave/escape. I'm just wondering how this all plays out legally. I think there could be kidnapping here.
 
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I wonder if, since the oldest daughter seems to be the most malnourished, i'm guessing for the longest time of them all, if once they get too old daddy isn't interested anymore and they were just going to let her die away. I'm not sure if any of the daughters could have carried a child but I do think there was incest going on here. And I think the mom knew. Then my mind just keeps going into what else might have been going on. jmo

I mean...we already know DT likes teenage girls. He did marry a 16 year old when he was 24, indicating statutory rape at the very least. And I don't think I've ever heard of an abuse case involving children of both sexes this severe that didn't involve sexual abuse in some shape or form. Maybe it was the reverse, that he doesn't start going after them until they hit puberty, and LT blamed the daughters for "enticing' him of course, in that religious patriarchal way, and that's why they were all chained up? Boys come to the defense of daughters and are also chained up so they can't fight Dad? Kids are kept small and starving so they are weak and can't fight back, and will do anything for food? Starvation is a super, SUPER sick way to torture someone, especially your own children. And I can't even speculate on what allowing them to shower only once a year was all about.
 
Yes that is right......If they moved out into the middle of nowhere, the 'parents' could dispose of the 29 year old (assuming she had given up and died) and they could impose the extreme act of control of killing the 17 year old and let the other children see them kill her thereby instilling in them never to challenge the supreme rule of the parents.
If there was ever any query about the 29 year old, it would be easy to say "she moved out years ago and they don't hear from her any more". They could say the same about the 17 year old. (Horrible).

In their BK filing they didn't admit to the oldest child right?
 
I mean...we already know DT likes teenage girls. He did marry a 16 year old when he was 24, indicating statutory rape at the very least. And I don't think I've ever heard of an abuse case involving children of both sexes this severe that didn't involve sexual abuse in some shape or form. Maybe he started going after the girls once they hit puberty, and LT blamed the daughters for "enticing' him, and that's why they were all chained up? Boys come to the defense of daughters and are also chained up so they can't fight Dad? Kids are kept small and starving so they are weak and can't fight back, and will do anything for food? Starvation is a super, SUPER sick way to torture someone, especially your own children. And I can't even speculate on what allowing them to shower only once a year was all about.

And I was wondering if they were starved to keep them looking more child like for him. Not a jealousy. A gift.
 
I have been completely disgusted since this crime was reported last week. This has gone on for so long it is a miracle that the courageous 17 year old escaped from these monsters. I believe DT and LT had the two dogs there as 'watch dogs' that would bark if there was any unexpected movement in the house. It is a miracle that the 17 year old was able to escape without the dogs barking and alerting the parents.

I find it odd that the first child is listed as being born in Los Angeles County in California. I don't understand that because from what we are hearing from the press, they left West Virginia/Virginia to go to Texas. Yet the Birth records for the eldest child are from California.

Also, they were married in Giles County Virginia, not West Virginia according to the license on Ancestry. I find it odd that supposedly DT graduated in '84 with the Electrical Engineering degree from Virginia Tech, then went back to West Virginia. This tells me he had no job offers from employers that interviewed engineering students at Virginia Tech. That seems quite strange for someone with an Electrical Engineering degree with a specialization in Computer Engineering. Somehow he ended up with a job in either Texas or Southern California, but it sounds like this happened months after he graduated.

There seems to be quite a gap between February 1985, the marriage date, and the first child. I wonder if there were children born in that gap that are no longer living?

I think that cadaver dogs should go search the Texas properties, especially the one with 36 acres as well as the Perris and Murrietta properties in California. And that authorities should figure out here they lived in Los Angeles County in the late 1980s.

No one will never know what made these two people so sadistic and cruel. My problem is that usually when similar incidents happen, there is usually some sort of 'substance abuse' combined with a poverty issue that may come into play. But this has been going on for over 25 years. The parents of Turpin paid out of state tuition to Virginia Tech to send Turpin to an Engineering college. But the eldest daughter is 29, and it looks like she was malnourished starting at a very early age (as were the rest of the children).
 
I have been completely disgusted since this crime was reported last week. This has gone on for so long it is a miracle that the courageous 17 year old escaped from these monsters. I believe DT and LT had the two dogs there as 'watch dogs' that would bark if there was any unexpected movement in the house. It is a miracle that the 17 year old was able to escape without the dogs barking and alerting the parents.

I find it odd that the first child is listed as being born in Los Angeles County in California. I don't understand that because from what we are hearing from the press, they left West Virginia/Virginia to go to Texas. Yet the Birth records for the eldest child are from California.

Also, they were married in Giles County Virginia, not West Virginia according to the license on Ancestry. I find it odd that supposedly DT graduated in '84 with the Electrical Engineering degree from Virginia Tech, then went back to West Virginia. This tells me he had no job offers from employers that interviewed engineering students at Virginia Tech. That seems quite strange for someone with an Electrical Engineering degree with a specialization in Computer Engineering. Somehow he ended up with a job in either Texas or Southern California, but it sounds like this happened months after he graduated.

There seems to be quite a gap between February 1985, the marriage date, and the first child. I wonder if there were children born in that gap that are no longer living?

I think that cadaver dogs should go search the Texas properties, especially the one with 36 acres as well as the Perris and Murrietta properties in California. And that authorities should figure out here they lived in Los Angeles County in the late 1980s.

No one will never know what made these two people so sadistic and cruel. My problem is that usually when similar incidents happen, there is usually some sort of 'substance abuse' combined with a poverty issue that may come into play. But this has been going on for over 25 years. The parents of Turpin paid out of state tuition to Virginia Tech to send Turpin to an Engineering college. But the eldest daughter is 29, and it looks like she was malnourished starting at a very early age (as were the rest of the children).

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So right!
 
This may have been posted in other threads, but in case it has not there are photos from the Virginia Tech yearbook of Turpin as well as an article from the Collegiate Times, the newspaper at Virginia Tech. I was at Virginia Tech when Turpin was there.

http://wset.com/news/local/man-accused-of-shackling-children-to-beds-graduated-from-virginia-tech

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/news...cle_23cf58c6-fc76-11e7-a919-5717fff88d0a.html

Also, though authorities are saying no one ever reported this family to the authorities, I will bet this is not the case. Something must have precipitated their sudden moves. Also, I read somewhere in one of the British tabloids that they had told someone they were about to up and leave Perris a couple of days before the police raid. This might have come about after the brother called them about coming to visit California. No one will ever know all the facts, but they probably had computers in their house and hopefully the investigators are doing a forensic examination of them to figure out what was going on and what their motivations for keeping the kids captive were.
 
Oh yes, I agree 100%. No way she is a battered woman. It easy to fall for the men are more likely to be perpetrators, or, in a couple situation like this, to assume the man is the primary instigator. They tried to pull that crap with Jodi Arias and her psycho self and probably all other female killers/abusers. It is statistically true that men commit more violent crimes than woman, but when women do they do it in a dramatic and profound way. My psychology and human behavior background leads me to believe with a high degree of certainty LT haS borderline personality disorder. The family environment she was raised in in combo with her tendency to be willful rebellious and stubborn as a child are prime breeding grounds for personality disorders.


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I got that sense too. Just watching her in the videos. Her photos. How she shut out family. How she wanted to show off about how rich they are or the size of her family or her clevage or her ability to have another baby at her age. Just this sense I get of her. And how she stayed outside the classroom
while escorting her adult son to and from college.

I think she's controlling and scary. She met someone with rígido attitudes about child rearing order. Both using a veneer of religion to justify their madness. Match made in hell.

I hope the District Attorney's office appoints a guardian ad litem for the children to represent them in any hearings. I don't know the law in this matter, but since there's adult children and minor children, there might have to be two guardians ad litem appointed.

See below.

Oh I think they definitely will, definitely for the minor children who have no legal guardian at the moment, and I also don't think the adults will be considered capable of making legal decisions for themselves, given their "lack of knowledge of life" described by the DA. I doubt they know anything about the legal system, and will have to be put under some sort of conservatorship or custody.

In CA we have conservators for dependent adults - although CPS is handling the adult's cases right now with them in protective custody.

For kids they are appointed social workers, minor's counsel and if they can find them- Court Appointed Epecial Sdvicates - CASA workers.

Conservatorships are handled in private court so that will be one to acabas el do future info.

I've been having kind of a hard time keeping up with the discussion. And I also had to take a break for a while because emotionally I just couldn't handle it anymore. I like to think I'm usually a pretty level headed guy, but I could really feel myself sinking into depression.

Can someone please, PLEASE find some GOOD news about how the kids are doing now? I remember a representative from one of the hospitals saying that the younger kids are "physically, doing well, despite the horrifying ordeal they suffered." That's great news. Psychologically they're majorly screwed up I'm sure, but at least physically they're doing better. BUT I really want to also hear how the older kids, the young adults, are doing. Because it seems like they were the ones who were in much worse condition and some of them might have been close to dying. I remember either someone from the hospital or the District Attorney saying earlier that they are "comfortable," and the DA said in the press conference on Thursday that the kids are feeling "relieved" now. But I also read somewhere that there was still concern about the 29 year old girl.

So has anyone come across any new updates on the condition of the older kids? I know they are not going to be recovered yet and will still have lingering health problems for a long time. Especially since the hospital would have to refeed them slowly and carefully. But I really hope they are at least feeling better. It still breaks my heart to think how much pain they must have been in and how frail they were.

I want to know that they're at least starting to feel better, and are able to feel comfortable and even have a little fun for likely the first time in years.

Listen. We all know this is going to be a hard road without pain and emotional
ups and downs and difficulty adjusting. Etc. But you know what? They're out of there. They are, right now, experiencing the first constant freedom
from abuse they ever had.

Importantly, they're experiencing a lot of firsts. The first hot showers in forever. The first experience having regular, repeated meals that taste great. The ability to rest and relax. And to walk around. And make choices for themselves. And sleep in a comfy bed. And wear clean clothes. And be care for by sincere, compassionate people. .

Theyre alive. They escaped against the odds.

There is much to cry about but also much to be joyful about here. These kids are finally living!!!
 
Right but I was wondering if it means the abuse stopped. And, if it did why?

moo

Just speculating from my experience. If the 17 yr. old is the same daughter who was sexually accosted by DT,
I suspect she was strong enough mentally and/or physically to fight back when he tried again or even the first time.
Abusive parents learn very quickly who they can push around/abuse and which child might give them problems.
Also as the abused (sexually or physically) child matures and gets older and stronger and has more time to think about
the wrongness/unfairness of this abuse, she/he becomes even more adamant that 'it will not happen again'. Then the parent moves on to one of the 'weaker' siblings who does not fight back. These type parents are cowards and bullies.
They only devour the weak and avoid the strong. Sadly, I believe we have many weak ones in this family. Weak only in
that they did not fight back. And if they did, the shackles and chains took over to handle that problem.
I'm positive the 17 yr. old had her share of the chains and shackles and she probably had devised a long thought out
plan to be given some freedom or how to beat the shackles, maybe by picking the padlocks or slipping out of the shackles. The parents knew she was one of the stronger ones so she probably had more attention paid to her
constant inprisonment. JMO, IME.
 
I got that sense too. Just watching her in the videos. Her photos. How she shut out family. How she wanted to show off about how rich they are or the size of her family or her clevage or her ability to have another baby at her age. Just this sense I get of her. And how she stayed outside the classroom
while escorting her adult son to and from college.

I think she's controlling and scary. She met someone with rígido attitudes about child rearing order. Both using a veneer of religion to justify their madness. Match made in hell.



See below.



In CA we have conservators for dependent adults - although CPS is handling the adult's cases right now with them in protective custody.

For kids they are appointed social workers, minor's counsel and if they can find them- Court Appointed Epecial Sdvicates - CASA workers.

Conservatorships are handled in private court so that will be one to acabas el do future info.



Listen. We all know this is going to be a hard road without pain and emotional
ups and downs and difficulty adjusting. Etc. But you know what? They're out of there. They are, right now, experiencing the first constant freedom
from abuse they ever had.

Importantly, they're experiencing a lot of firsts. The first hot showers in forever. The first experience having regular, repeated meals that taste great. The ability to rest and relax. And to walk around. And make choices for themselves. And sleep in a comfy bed. And wear clean clothes. And be care for by sincere, compassionate people. .

Theyre alive. They escaped against the odds.

There is much to cry about but also much to be joyful about here. These kids are finally living!!!
Excellent post!
 
I think that is why they are doing the DNA tests, if what the press has reported is true. It is not impossible to speculate that LT is not the real mother of the youngest child. It is horrible to think what might have happened, but it is possible that the now 17 year old became pregnant. Also I read somewhere the brother said that LT wanted a 14th child. Then there is a Facebook post on their now deleted account where they commented in a weird comment to their former OB/GYN that they were not really interested in reproducing because they missed the OB/GYN's office staff. Then there was the Facebook post about a new arrival is expected in 9 months. It is all horrifying to speculate what actually occurred and that is probably why the DA said that they are at the beginning of the investigation and they have no idea what they will eventually uncover.

As far as what religious angle the parents used or did not use to keep the children under complete the control, I am hoping that the journals will show what happened.

Also regarding religion, one of the news reports talked about the Turpins being married in the Pentecostal church in Princeton WV. I do not believe that is accurate. According to the license, they were married by a Baptist minister probably in the Baptist Church in Pearisburg VA. The reference on the license is Danville VA because the minister was the former Baptist minister of the Moffett church in Danville VA at the corner of Moffett and North Main Street near where my relatives used to live.
 
I'm both fascinated and horrified by this case. I kind of feel guilty for the amount of time I've invested into this story so far.

Something I'm having trouble wrapping my head around is how superficially "normal" they appear in their photos. Well, you know, as normal as 13 near-emaciated kids, some in their late 20s, with the same little-kid clothes and hairstyles can look...I guess I mean that, at first glance, I wouldn't have thought that anything like that could be going on. They're out of the house doing fun "family" things together, they're laughing and smiling, the parents appear to be fairly engaged, they're clean and wearing clean clothes (except for the weird dresses their clothes are fashionable), they have a nice house, etc. etc. We keep hearing that they were only allowed one shower a year yet they appear to be clean, with healthy-looking hair. That they were basically kept locked up and even chained up, yet there they are at Disneyland and dancing with a (really bad) Elvis impersonator.

It's not until you start looking closer that you see the threads unraveling. And, man, have they unraveled. Just another case of not knowing what could possibly be going on behind closed doors and looks being deceiving.

I want to bring them all home to live with me. (And for the poster who said the one boy is more or less haunting them, I get it. Me too. Something about him is very, very sad.)

As far as the neighbors/other random people not calling the cops...Hindsight is 20/20 and I have to give most of those people a pass. Now, the former neighbors who actually saw the inside of their home after they left? I would've called someone about that. Some of the other things, however, I can see how you might second guess yourself. My husband and I are unorthodox parents. During school breaks we often stay up all night with our kids, having horror movie marathons and eating cheesecake out of the box. (And, yes, making midnight Walmart or Steak n Shake runs.) I am a paranormal author and I have pulled my son out of school to fly across the country with me to investigate haunted houses and hotels as book research. He's the only 8 year old I know who has his own You Tube channel dedicated to ghosthunting and reviewing low-budget horror films. So I can see myself seeing some of their behavior and thinking, well, they're just a little different.

Rooting around in the garbage, however, and possibly not even knowing their own names? That's another story. And, as much as we are victim-friendly here and the extended family isn't under investigation at this time, I find it highly unlikely that the sister who's being front and center in the interviews didn't know that something was up. Her stories just aren't making sense.

Sorry to ramble. I apparently had a lot to say about this.
 
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It would not surprise me to find out he worked his "night shift" with this company from home. There is sometimes that flexibility, especially if his job was mainly computer-based.

I believe they will have been explicitly instructed not to speak to anyone right now. I also think that defence contractors are likely to follow this instruction.
 
This may have been posted in other threads, but in case it has not there are photos from the Virginia Tech yearbook of Turpin as well as an article from the Collegiate Times, the newspaper at Virginia Tech. I was at Virginia Tech when Turpin was there.

http://wset.com/news/local/man-accused-of-shackling-children-to-beds-graduated-from-virginia-tech

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/news...cle_23cf58c6-fc76-11e7-a919-5717fff88d0a.html

Also, though authorities are saying no one ever reported this family to the authorities, I will bet this is not the case. Something must have precipitated their sudden moves. Also, I read somewhere in one of the British tabloids that they had told someone they were about to up and leave Perris a couple of days before the police raid. This might have come about after the brother called them about coming to visit California. No one will ever know all the facts, but they probably had computers in their house and hopefully the investigators are doing a forensic examination of them to figure out what was going on and what their motivations for keeping the kids captive were.

From your link: "James Turpin and his attorney said he would try to get in contact with the children as soon as possible."

I hope not.

ETA: He's had years to 'contact the children' to find out why adult children in their 20s were not attending college, did not have jobs, were not married, did not move out and have their own apts. If he didn't question that before, he should leave them alone now. Now they don't need any contact or concern from him.
 
I believe they will have been explicitly instructed not to speak to anyone right now. I also think that defence contractors are likely to follow this instruction.

I agree. I also think that given the firm haven’t spoken out to refute that he was currently employed by them means he likely still was.
 
From your link: "James Turpin and his attorney said he would try to get in contact with the children as soon as possible."

I hope not.

ETA: He's had years to 'contact the children' to find out why adult children in their 20s were not attending college, did not have jobs, were not married, did not move out and have their own apts. If he didn't question that before, he should leave them alone now. Now they don't need any contact or concern from him.

I agree.

Also, isn't he the same relative who said he doesn't believe and wants to get the "real" story when he finally speaks to the children? :notgood:

Keep him away.
 
I agree.

Also, isn't he the same relative who said he doesn't believe and wants to get the "real" story when he finally speaks to the children? :notgood:

Keep him away.

At this point I think the children might be better off, and in a healthier environment, with foster parents who are trained for this kind of situation and have experience with children in crises. The family had their chance.
 
Something that I have been thinking about for the past couple of days. Do any of these survivors actually know when their birthdays are or any other dates? Do they know anything about Christmas or New Year's or Thanksgiving? If you told one of them that today is January 22, 2018, would they know what you meant? Was a Saturday any different than a Tuesday to them? Did the monsters even bother to teach any of this? Did the survivors get a huge culture shock to find out that people usually go to bed in the evening and wake up in the morning and go outside when the sun was shining? How many years will it take some of them to get used to the fact that it's normal to go to bed just to sleep and that it isn't normal to be shackled to your bed for hours, days or weeks?
 
I'm not sure why we're assuming that LT is the primary instigator of the abuse and DT is a less culpable participant. I see no evidence so far that they aren't BOTH psychopaths with equal motivation, capability and culpability in abusing their kids.

Can someone explain where the theory that LT was the leader and DT the follower, when we know next to nothing at the moment about who did what to whom and for what reasons (except that DT committed a lewd act on one of the daughters) comes from?

Agree absolutely that they are both psychopaths, equally culpable and equally evil. I don't believe either of them were the downtrodden partner, scared to speak up. I for one have a "gut" feeling (right or wrong, I don't know!) that LT is the leading partner, mostly because her influence seems more visible. The public face of the family seem to match her fantasies or juvenile feminine fantasies. Vegas - that's a feminine fantasy, getting married, being serenaded, and it fits in with what we know about her relationship with her parents, and her elopement, that the wedding was a real status thing for her, a way of breaking free from her parents.
Disney - you can see a number of photos of LT in Disney gear, dating from that photo of her with the oldest child as a baby, when the baby is wearing Minnie Mouse clothes and they are standing in front of a Minnie Mouse cake; right down to when LT is pregnant with the last baby and she's wearing a Minnie Mouse maternity shirt (who knew those existed?!) So this gives me the idea that she has a fair bit of control over their environment - she can dictate what she wears and what the children wear, whereas an overbearing and controlling husband would have deprived her of her Disney fantasy.
The dresses that the girls wore to the renewals - as others have pointed out, they look like a home pattern that would have still in style, yet fairly conservative during LT's childhood. So she's dressing the girls in a style that would reflect a "perfect" conservative family of the 1970s. The pattern probably belonged to her mother or grandmother. It's more logical that she has control over the clothes than David. The clothing "power" might seem superficial but it's a bit of a "hand that rocks the cradle" thing. She's calling the shots about how they present themselves as a family.
The family routine - they all adapted to the father's nocturnal work routine because this was more convenient for hiding the abuse. So the parents worked in complete partnership on this. He was still bringing in money, and they could reduce the risk of contact with the outside world. The neighbours talk about seeing the mother watching over the children as they work outside on the turf. So she wasn't trying to make things bright and cheerful while the scary patriarch was at work - she was the prison guard doing her shift. Whatever hours he worked, the torture of the children couldn't have been hidden from him. He knew they weren't going to the park or swimming lessons or playing with friends in the middle of the night while he was at work; he knew the family never sat down to dinner together. He ate with his wife and one (or perhaps two) favoured children, never the whole family. He was prepared to meet up with his family on vacations because they would overlook the abuse; she had to cut off from her family because she was still in competition with them and had to make her life looked perfect.
So while I think DT was a "follower", I don't think he was following far behind. I think she established the routine and the family front, and he supported it and benefited from it. In a dark twist on normal family values, he chose the working life that best suited the dynamic they chose, and they were united in how they wanted to treat their children. I think she was the driving force, and rather than putting a stop to it when it transitioned from neglect to abuse, he took advantage of the situation to abuse the children even further.
 
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