CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

[RAISINISBACK]

All children are receiving IV antibiotics, vitamins and nutrition."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...ing-Music-Class-With-Him-470086943.html?amp=y

" The children are now recovering in hospital, being injected with antibiotics, nutrients and vitamins through an IV."

http://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting...n/news-story/6541272ec2374483a2c5423df4e42a48



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Thank you.

 

[McFluffy]

yes, the adult children would not qualify for SSD because they did not have work quarters in 5 of the last 10 years. but they WOULD be in the running to qualify for SSI.

SSI does not carry Medicare with it, but they should qualify for Medicaid.

SSI can be expedited based on circumstance - hopefully the awareness of this case would lead to expedited SSI, and then Medicaid would automatically follow.

 

[cady]

In the US they are quite different.

“Nursing home” is a Skilled Nursing Facility. Private pay, private insurance, and/or Medicare (Medicaid). The SNF is staffed by licensed nurses, both entry level and advanced. A Nurse Practioner or sometimes an MD is on staff. It is essentially a pared down hospital room. Oxygen can be given bedside, medication rounds are made 3 times a day, etc. Food can be delivered to the bed or they can eat in a common area with other patients. The ones I worked with had a little hair salon, activities room, common TV area, physical therapy equipment including a heated pool, and common areas for visiting families. Many now have “Memory Care” units or wings that specialize in Alzheimer’s with locked down units to prevent patients from wandering off.

Someone up thread described Assisted Living very well, but a Nursing home is in fact much different level of care for patients.

ETA in a SNF, there is a patient to caregiver (nurse) ratio that must be maintained at all times, including night shifts. The ratio is governed by the state that the SNF operates in.

The Assisted Living facility that my post was referring to (my mom w alzheimers) supposedly w memory care unit and all the bells and whistles was a farce. It was Sunrise, in Ann Arbor. As I said, the staff was nice, but it was totally inadequate for my moms needs, or for anyone who needs help with bathing and hygiene and doesn't know to ASK for it. Mom fell out of her bed and we don't know how many hours she was on the floor in her room w a broken hip before someone bothered to check on her. I know these kids don't have dementia, but they WILL need special assistance and may not even realize it to ask for it. I just hope their recovery is well monitored. (I DID move my mom immediately to a skilled nursing facility, which was great). JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM.

vmmking has already, so kindly, provided us with these details up thread.

Again thank you.

 

[2Hope4]

I'm hoping they're being very, very careful about who fosters the children. Maybe someone did volunteer to take all 13 but weren't cleared to do so for whatever reason.

I can see why some think they should all be kept together. I can see why they should be split up and develop their own personalities, and find themselves. I don't know which would be the best in the long term. I wish we had a magic ball to foresee the future to make the right decisions. I'm not qualified to make that decision, even if I knew them each individually and their individual needs. I hope it was a joint decision from physical and mental health professionals that have the experience and knowledge to weigh the pros and cons.

Likewise, I don't know anyone that is capable of suddenly having 13 people in their home that they weren't use to, don't know, etc. Someone may have meant well offering to house them all, but IMO it would be very overwhelming and quickly. Thus setting the caretakers and the survivors up for failure. I only had ONE adult living with me, after many years of being a nurse at a skilled care facility. As her mental health declined, there's times I felt a hostage in my own home. Can you imagine wanting to go get groceries, or pick up a single item, but now you have to get 13 people dressed, loaded into the vehicle, take all into the store with you, load everyone back up, and then unload once home. If you were use to that, and had been adding a person here and there for awhile, it would be no big deal. If you weren't accustomed to it, may feel like a monumental task.

 

[McFluffy]

When I was young (sigh) I was a volunteer at a L'arche community. It is an intentional community to provide loving care to persons with cognitive challenges by setting up a community of living where everyone contributes what they can. It is a different approach to caring - more like a family.

this is what I wish for these wonderful young people - a place that is their own. cannot be shuffled around but know that they have a stable place and where they are looked at as valuable members of the household, not just clients. Where assistants live in the home, and others outside the home also join for events and have weekend visits away.

it does not have to be a L'Arche community (tho there are several in CA) but someplace like this. it is a beautiful model of care.

 

[LadyO]

I think the additional list of needed items (not the clothes) is interesting and kind of sad:
Crafts (Jewelry kits, Weaving Kits, etc)
Play-Do
Legos
​Journal (preferably hard-bound)
Notebooks, for doodling (fun, pretty, glittery)
Crayons (primary colors)
Books dealing with emotions and feelings

I mean, Play Doh and crayons and Legos are normal things for kids to want. However, when you step back and consider that these "kids" are in their late teens and even mid-late 20s, it's just sad (not in a pathetic way but in a heartbreaking way). (And yes, I realize that there are a few younger ones but the majority of them are older than what we typically see.) In its own way, I think it's kind of sweet. Most of these kids have apparently been so isolated and cut off that just having sparkly journals, a jewelry weaving kit, and primary-colored crayons are desired right now-not iPads, laptops, etc. I swear to God, it makes me want to go to Hobby Lobby and buy out the whole gosh-darn store for them.

I wonder if most of these things are intended (at least partly) for use in occupational therapy. Those items are very common items used in OT, and not necessarily just for little ones. I imagine all of the siblings might need work on fine motor skills if they experienced muscle wasting.

 

[Bill Carson]

Turpin family participated in neighbourhood decorating contest, Louise Turpin says she took eldest children to Las Vegas when they turned 21, joked about their young looks.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-turpin-public-life-20180124-story.html

Stories like this give me hope that the abuse was not as bad as has been portrayed in the media. Again, I say that not to defend the parents, but for the benefit of the children.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Something triggered the plan two years ago and quite an age gap between the youngest child and the next oldest. There are still many questions to be answered such as how did she obtain the phone and when did she obtain it? That's the piece that I think took so long. I'd also like to know how she knew that 911 would work on an otherwise non-working phone. I guess I'm wondering if she obtained it through older brother who got it from someone at school. It sounds as though he is the only child who was allowed any type of outside contact.

Totally spitballing here, but what if one of the kids picked it up while the family was out and about. As in, it belonged to a stranger who either dropped it or left it unattended. Might have played with it until the owner had it shut down. And then got the screen message about only being able to make emergency calls. Might have been kept hidden for awhile until a charger could be copped (parents must have had phones--each one comes with a charger, and most folks have extras). Maybe even used to play games (secretly) before hatching the plot to escape. But that message is always there.

Also, with the recent release of the oldest boy's community college transcript, I suspect that among the kids there are varying levels of learning. Most likely the oldest had best exposure to learning (and early nutrition, also). Could also have been some gender-related differences in what the kids were taught, and how. The oldest child is female, but it was the oldest son who was going to college. And this is a family in which Dad is employed while Mom is at home with kids. Boys might well be seen as earners while girls are seen as breeders--to put it crassly.

 

[A2FMNST]

The Assisted Living facility that my post was referring to (my mom w alzheimers) supposedly w memory care unit and all the bells and whistles was a farce. It was Sunrise, in Ann Arbor. As I said, the staff was nice, but it was totally inadequate for my moms needs, or for anyone who needs help with bathing and hygiene and doesn't know to ASK for it. Mom fell out of her bed and we don't know how many hours she was on the floor in her room w a broken hip before someone bothered to check on her. I know these kids don't have dementia, but they WILL need special assistance and may not even realize it to ask for it. I just hope their recovery is well monitored. (I DID move my mom immediately to a skilled nursing facility, which was great). JMO

OMG....so sorry to hear that. The operator of the SNF/ALs I worked for (non-medical role) was quite exceptional. I visited many of their facilities during the 5 years I worked for them. Top notch, always clean, etc. Sadly, we heard similar horror stories from patients that had moved into our facilities after experiencing similar mistreatment.

 

[rsd1200]

Assisted living residents would argue that point with you. AL facilities are not the same as a nursing home. AL residents receive assistance with “activities of daily living” (ADLs) like med management (giving meds), shower set-up or actually assisting with showers, dressing, transfer, escort to meals and much more...all decided as part of a care plan and paid for according to level of help needed.

People who need more medical care than can legally be provided in assisted living will transfer to nursing homes. I have friends in both settings. One friend in AL will need memory care eventually, but can manage without too much assistance now, just med management. When he broke his leg in a fall, he spent two months in a nursing home before returning to AL. Our friend who lives in the nursing home was in AL, but he has MS and finally needed more help than AL is equipped to give.

We have them here though, that have both, on site. The one my ex was in had private rooms and double rooms, a large day room, activities, outings, physical therapy, nursing staff, they could leave with friends or relatives, folks could visit anytime. His father eventually landed there, but, over time has had to go to the more intense care, nursing home side, as memory and body are beginning to feel the effects of age. My mil, my fil's wife, above, was in a nursing home, that also had small houses that one could live in, they just needed minimal care (my mil could not live in these because of advanced Alzheimer's). The survivors may need the type that my fil, and ex, were in, starting out and move up to a small apt. or home like structure, later on. It may be overwhelming for them to be in a space, alone, right now.

 

[RickshawFan]

Hopefully as well as SSD, I think they will qualify.

Woah! Assisted living is NOT a nursing home. Maybe that’s why there’s so much concern in some of the posts here.

Assisted living is basically an apartment building with a few modifications that you might not even notice, like red bell pulls to summon help.

Generally, the apartments are just like any other apartment! Except maybe the doors are wider (to accommodate wheelchairs), housekeeping, meals downstairs, or not, handicapped showers...

You pay rent, just like an apartment.

The apartments I’ve been in have full kitchens, opened to a living/dining area. These are not gourmet kitchens (though maybe some facilities have that, too), but are otherwise complete, including stove, microwave, fridge....no problem baking a batch of cookies for visitors or neighbors. Kitchen knobs will be easy to reach.

The apartments can be studio, 1 bedroom, 2 bedrooms. I’ve visited my aunt at a place where she and her husband had adjoining units, and the wall was taken down between them. That way, they could each have their own stuff.

There are different ways for handling laundry. Linens may be provided.

Some folks never eat downstairs....

Many assisted living places are like resorts....swimming pool, gardens, activities, pampering.

You usually pay extra for skilled nursing or have to arrange your own (at your expense) with an outside organization.

Hope that clarifies. We’re talking about a structured, protected environment that eliminates some of the crazy in the world outside. We’re talking neighbors, people keeping an eye on things, and whatever level of attention you need. And we’re talking about having a home, not a hospital bed.

I continue to think this is a genius plan. But assisted living is not to be confused with a nursing home.

Now I see someone else has responded to the misconception about assisted living. But the distinction between that and a nursing facility needs to be clear.

 

[Shelby2]

I really hope the source is wrong. So much money has been donated they should buy them a house and pay for caregivers, etc. The older ones have always taken care of the younger ones.

I’ve seen it with the gap in our own kids and my husband and his older aunts he grew up with, the younger ones latch onto older ones.


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I think that if the state is now their guardians
they must place them as they would any other adult whose guardian was the state. They can place them with a smaller counselor to adult child ratio, and make sure all of their different issues are worked on, but I don't think they can just take that money and buy them a house, etc.

 

[rsd1200]

If they were planning on moving within days, who all were going to drive the 4 vehicles? Were they going to just leave one or two? Were they going to have a couple shipped to where they were going? Just curious....plus, wasn't one of the older children seen driving by a neighbor?

I bet that's why they taught one of the children to drive. It's possible another child was taught to drive.

 

[jessie]

[h=3]Louise Turpin's Brother Reveals She Wanted to Be a Reality Star Like Kate Gosselin
http://www.cbs8.com/story/37322456/...anted-to-be-a-reality-star-like-kate-gosselin[/h]

How I just wish these family members would stop talking to the media. What a load of c**p is getting reported. IMOO

 

[RickshawFan]

That's the point that I was making as well. I understand that people are upset about the adults going into an assisted living facility but I am unclear as to what others think a better option might be. Because, honestly, there are not many options for adults in this kind of situation. Children, yes. Adults, no.

And foster care won’t allow them to have their own apartment. Assisted living is all about having a place to call home, with some safety mechanisms in place.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Can someone tell me what time the evil ones will be in court today?

 

[Bill Carson]

I don't have time to track down the articles right now. But first there was a report (probably mistaken, but MSM none the less) that a single foster home had stepped up for all. Then followed reports that there was one for the adults and one for the minors.

Both of these reports were then widely discussed in here, which is why it's too difficult to track the exact reports because there are too many mentions of the search terms I would need to use (and same with Google).

So take it as my opinion if need be, since I don't have time to track something like that with the overabundance of cover using these search terms.

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Just because someone volunteered to take them all doesn't mean that volunteer was approved or appropriate. Foster families have to have background checks, home studies, and training, and all of that takes time.

 

[rsd1200]

Disability qualifiers have nothing to do with if you worked or not,
they will all get Medicaid and use up all funds available to them then ssi.
Eta not ssdi but ssi

That's what Kaboom said, and I agreed. If you have never worked, you cannot claim Social Security disability insurance (SSDI). ... Individuals can claim disability through the SSI program if they are found to medically disabled whether or not they have ever worked -- if they meet the income and resource limits for the program.

When determining eligibility for Social Security Disability Insurance benefits, the past ten years are considered. In most cases, if you have not worked in the past ten years, you will be ineligible for Social Security Disability Insurance benefits.

https://www.disabilitybenefitscenter.org/faq/receive-social-security-disability-havent-worked

Note: This does not apply to children, under 18, a little older if in school, of adults who are receiving SSDI. They will receive benefits from their parents claim.

 

[natsound]

Stories like this give me hope that the abuse was not as bad as has been portrayed in the media. Again, I say that not to defend the parents, but for the benefit of the children.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-turpin-public-life-20180124-story.html

"James Turpin, David Turpin's father, told the Southern California News Group that he and his wife visited the family about six years ago when they lived in Murrieta and stayed for five days.

He saw nothing wrong, he said.

"Everyone was loving and kind. The children were happy," James Turpin said."

There have been some contradictions in the stories we've seen. If the above is true, wouldn't this relative have noticed that the children lacked basic knowledge, like what a police officer is, or what medication is? Some stories said that the 17-year-old who escaped and called 911 didn't know what a pill was.

(I hope this makes sense. I hate ending sentences with "is" and "was"!)