CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #7

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arkansasmimi said:
Respectfully link from link at specific school the son attended
ASSESSMENT—

The assessment test MUST be completed in person, on campus. Bring a valid photo ID with you. Allow yourself approximately two hours to complete the test. You are advised to take the assessment one time, so it is highly recommended that you review and prepare yourself by viewing the "Preparing for Assessment" video. https://www.msjc.edu/StudentServices/EnrollmentServices/Pages/New-Students.aspx
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Was he in a degree program or simply taking classes? I wonder if a casual class attender needs an assessment
 
human said:
The reason they would need ID would be to drink, right? Did they allow the 21 year old kids to drink? Otherwise, does anyone need ID for any reason?
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CA offers an ID card through the DMV for non-drivers. If one girl had been taught to drive and was sent on errands that doesn't mean she had a drivers license, who would know? CA is full of non-licensed drivers... I don't think they drank in Las Vegas. The police and security in the casinos are VERY adamant about no children allowed so the family was probably stopped and asked for ID since they looked so young. Circus Circus, where we know they went, caters to families with children and offers a non-gambling, no alcohol, extensive game arcade where parents leave their children so that the parents can drink and gamble in the casino.
 
arkansasmimi said:
Respectfully link from link at specific school the son attended
ASSESSMENT—

The assessment test MUST be completed in person, on campus. Bring a valid photo ID with you. Allow yourself approximately two hours to complete the test. You are advised to take the assessment one time, so it is highly recommended that you review and prepare yourself by viewing the "Preparing for Assessment" video. https://www.msjc.edu/StudentServices/EnrollmentServices/Pages/New-Students.aspx
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I'm familiar with the process in community colleges in California. The majority of classes do not require assessments to enroll. The Accuplacer tests are optional (those are usually the assessments given) for many classes. Students in the area I live in can choose to be placed in a particular class at the local community classes via an assessment placement test or choose to directly enroll in a particular class.

If they chose to take Accuplacer tests, any photo ID is acceptable including a school ID. In my area, school IDs are given to elementary, middle and high school students. If they want to go to the community college to take for example Precalculus, they can enroll in Precalculus or take the Accuplacer tests to determine if their math skills are up to a level to allow them to take Precalculus.
 
SandyQLS said:
CA offers an ID card through the DMV for non-drivers. If one girl had been taught to drive and was sent on errands that doesn't mean she had a drivers license, who would know? CA is full of non-licensed drivers... I don't think they drank in Las Vegas. The police and security in the casinos are VERY adamant about no children allowed so the family was probably stopped and asked for ID since they looked so young. Circus Circus, where we know they went, caters to families with children and offers a non-gambling, no alcohol, extensive game arcade where parents leave their children so that the parents can drink and gamble in the casino.
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That makes more sense as where would the younger children be otherwise. I wonder if they stayed overnight. How many rooms would be needed?
 
This is an assumption I made: that there was a pie or pies present when all this went down. LE asked the children (who said they are "starving" <--the quotation marks are meant to quote the exact term we are told they used) about visible food in the house (pie or pies) and the kids explained the pie or pies was forbidden. I assumed this because I am guessing the first questions on the first days usually aren't about pie.
 
Spellbound said:
am I misunderstanding the bolded part here? Do you honestly believe there is ever a reason one could use for having tied or chained up children, adult age or minors? Or denied them food ? These were not obese or chubby kids to being with, if the pictures we have seen are any indiction. They were nearly skeletal. That’s not the same as taking away second helpings or dessert.

Facts already show they were all underweight (except the youngest) and at least some were chained. And the Excrement and urine ?

We don’t have to nitpick the extent or exact forms of abuse, but these kids were obvious victims.

I am trying so hard to understand why there seems to be anyone who would try to justify any of this abusiveness. It just boggles my brain. I’m losing ....

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sorry arkansasmimi ... this is not meant to be directed at you except for the first question ... I can’t agree there is ever a justifiable reason that fits this case. I am just so sensitive with this subject, I guess, and had to vent a bit.
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Thanks! I agree with you!
There is never a good reason why a parent would chain or shackle their children to beds :(
I have no reason to doubt the abuse suffered by the children is real.
It seems some are downplaying the severity of the situation for whatever reason....

IMO
 
cady said:
MIMI Not sure it could be less horrific, but you are right. There are 15 stories here. JMO We only know what is clearly evident.
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Jmho it can be totally different from what we know now. Hopefully the adults and minors are not as bad health wise as reported initially. Hopefully they are different levels of educational knowledge than up to third grade (highest level) iirc seen reference. Yet afterwards we find out that at least 1 son attended community college SIX semesters. And had almost a 4 point GPA! Heck that right there is less horrific to me, gives home hope for others.

So far only clearly evident is very little. But adults and minors released from hospital is evident that medically good news. Jmho
 
LaneGirl said:
Small insight to the oldest from a classmate from 3rd grade I believe:


"He said despite being bullied by her peers, she "was still one of the most pleasant people I have had the opportunity to meet. She had this whimsical optimism to her that couldn't be dampened, couldn't be doused no matter what anybody threw at her."


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...e-turpin-daughter-says-girl-was-frail-n840526
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Someone posted an article about how children of narcissist are often excessively cheerful and accommodating. It's how they survive. I can't find that article but I did find some others that have a lot of interesting information.


I'm sure there's a lot of crazy going on with these two parents. Narcissim
seems like one trait that may fit here (among others):


1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance, e.g. exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements.
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high status people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration.
5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.
6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e. takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of her.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...issist-damages-your-life-and-self-esteem/amp/.


A narcissistic parent is a parentaffected by narcissism or narcissistic personality disorder. Typically narcissistic parents are exclusively and possessively close to their children and may be especially envious of, and threatened by, their child's growing independence.[1] The result may be what has been termed a pattern of narcissistic attachment, with the child considered to exist solely to fulfill the parent's wishes and needs.[2]Commonly parents attempt to force their children to treat themselves as though they are their parents' puppets, or else be subject to punishments such as emotional abuse.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_parent


Always notice a narcissist and the importance placed on their own image .Pictures may show a family, but in reality, look at the faces of those children, examine the body language of the narcissist, look closely at the mannerisms and expressions upon those in the pictures and you will begin to see a very different picture. Often the narc appears with a grin rather than a smile, a cold shoulder, with no signs of affection, perhaps with a back turned, or looking away from the camera. They will seem genuinely disinterested in the lives of others and have one need to cultivate their own needs, wants, and desires. That moment in time was captured not to show the love or bonding but to show a false image of involvement and when the cameras are put away the reality appears.


Image. The narcissistic family is all about image. The message is: "We are bigger, better, have no problems, and must put on the face of perfection." Children get the messages: "What would the neighbors think?" "What would the relatives think?" What would our friends think?" These are common fears in the family: "Always put a smile on that pretty little face."


Siblings Not Encouraged to Be Close. In healthy families, we encourage our children to be loving and close to each other. In narcissistic families, children are pitted against each other and taught competition. There is a constant comparison of who is doing better and who is not. Some are favored or seen as "the golden child," and others become the scapegoat for a parent's projected negative feelings. Siblings in narcissistic families rarely grow up feeling emotionally connected to each other.


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/children-narcissistic-parenting-donna-hines


The narcissistic parent, by contrast, sees their child as an extension of their own ego and as their "property." The child is a reflection of the parent and belongs to the parent. Either the child is seen by this parent as conferring some advantage in life, or the child is seen as a burden and a nuisance; often both.


As they're growing up, the child of the extreme narcissist can go in one of two directions. They can channel their low self-esteem and needs for love and approval into people-pleasing, trying to get others to accept and validate them.


http://m.huffingtonpost.ca/marcia-sirota/children-of-narcissists_b_14962180.html
 
human said:
Really? Aren’t room rates based on amount of occupants? I don’t know, but in most hotels only children under two are free. They ask the ages of occupants?
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I think she is referring to in-state residential rates most parks offer. For example, we often go to Universal for music venues. With our Fl ID, we get free parking and reduced entry fees.
 
ElizabethAnne said:
In terms of whether they had ID or not, about the only ID I think any of them had is a medical insurance card for medical insurance related to DT's employment. If I was law enforcement, I would be tracking down the doctor that may have seen some of the captives 4 years ago. Also, since doctors are mandated reporters and the adults and kids that were captives were extremely malnourished, I would be getting the medical records of the captives (if they exist) and find out if this 'doctor' was a real doctor or not. Who knows, I would not put it past the DT/LT due to tell the children they were being seen by a doctor, when it was not a doctor at all.
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"Captives" is ok to say but reference to a "thing themed photo" not calling the individuals "things" brought about all sorts fuss.
And ID was on site as needed where son attended school. Specific community college not in general. I feel sure the Defense and DA have reached out to get any medical records. And we don't know either of -DT or LT to form opinion or even accuse them of telling their children they were at a doctor and not. Wow
 
human said:
Really? Aren&#8217;t room rates based on amount of occupants? I don&#8217;t know, but in most hotels only children under two are free. They ask the ages of occupants?
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Rooms?
To get into Disney the park at residential rates they require ID on adults. We go often did 4 days last year over X Mas even at there hotels resorts.

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I see the confusion!
Disney gives the state of FL residents a residential rate since they use and abuse the state as I call it. Disney hence calls it residential rates.
 
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