CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #7

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And the DA is talking about the victims being chained in a bed for weeks or even months as punishment. I have some ideas about LT's sick fetishes and perversions which are not so much sexual as perverted. She got off on turning them back into infants... all those boxes of diapers... and starving them into weakness, using the condition of the few chained at any one time to keep the rest in her control unless they wanted to join them in the 'dirty room' for some sick retraining. They may have to seal the case for the sake of these victims.

I can't recall where, so I'm going to IMO on this,but I saw a news video yesterday and the reporter stated that the journals may be used in place of the kids testimony. That would mean (if true) that the kids won't have to take the stand. IMO
 
Was this the "perplexed" comment?

No. For someone asking about where it was stated about “no logical reason” for the kids being chained.


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Thanks! I agree with you!
There is never a good reason why a parent would chain or shackle their children to beds :(
I have no reason to doubt the abuse suffered by the children is real.
It seems some are downplaying the severity of the situation for whatever reason....

IMO

I don't see anyone doubting the severity of the situation. It's just that we don't know all of the facts that precede events that we are aware of. The pie thing was a good example.....we don't doubt that the kids were starving and that the parents are cruel, but the damned pies could have been there for some other purpose that we are unaware of, and have nothing to do with the feeding regimen. We may be correct in our suspicions that they were there for only the parents to eat and to tantalize the kids, but we do not KNOW that as a fact. How many of us who were not being starved and malnourished by our parents were told to stay out of the cookie jar? JMO
 
I can't recall where, so I'm going to IMO on this,but I saw a news video yesterday and the reporter stated that the journals may be used in place of the kids testimony. That would mean (if true) that the kids won't have to take the stand. IMO

Not doubting what u read or heard but I don’t think they could be used without the child testifying he or she wrote in the journal. Some of the children may want to testify and I hope they are given the opportunity if it will help in their recovery. I recall the DA saying the children would be willing.




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I don't understand why anyone is nitpicking things that don't matter. Was there a pie on the counter? Maybe, maybe not, who cares?
The only things that matter are what LE said, what the Doctors said, the fact that they all needed to be hospitalized, and the charges brought by the DA.

The doctors said basically nothinget about these children and young adults in particular, citing HIPPA - if I missed it, please point me in the right direction. Dr Gray said repeatedly she was speaking generally, and not about the Turpin children. (Dr name may be incorrect) She was at LE presser
 
Now that these children are all safe and receiving medical care, my greatest concern for them moving forward is exploitation. The Dionne quintuplets come to mind. I hope they will have a conservatorship to insure that donations are managed properly, and that they aren't turned in to a circus act.

I'm apprehensive about foster care,

That can be a mixed bag. We know that. What kind of processes and screening will medical and social personnel to determine the homes and families to where the children will attend? We must watch for news about the foster families for the minor children. What about the consoling and therapy that they so desperately need? This will be offered to the adults living in assisted care. But I think that therapy for the minor kids is going to be the responsibility of the foster parents. I am concerned here.

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Not doubting what u read or heard but I don’t think they could be used without the child testifying he or she wrote in the journal. Some of the children may want to testify and I hope they are given the opportunity if it will help in their recovery. I recall the DA saying the children would be willing.




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So the written word wouldn't be enough...I was hopeful that would spare the children/adults...
 

Interesting article, thanks for posting:

"Why psychopaths cannot love their own children, according to a psychologist

"Narcissists, psychopaths, and sociopaths do not have a sense of empathy," she told Business Insider. "They do not and will not develop a sense of empathy, so they can never really love anyone."

This doesn't change when they have children. There's no primal instinct to protect and encourage their child because the child is not seen as a separate entity, but merely a tool at their disposal.

"DTPs tend to see children as an extension of themselves and a possession," Neo said. "So rather than saying, 'I'm going to nurture you so you can grow up to be the amazing person you're meant to be,' [they say,] 'You're supposed to grow up and do this so that you're my trophy.'""
 
The chains are bad enough, but we also have to take that in context of everything else we've heard. If this were simply a story of parents being arrested for keeping a child in chains, it might be possible (although still not likely) that we were dealing with uneducated, desperate, possibly borderline intellectually disabled people who simply could not think of a better way of dealing with a violent, troubled child who posed a danger to himself and others.

That's not close to the story here. Putting everything that we've heard together, does it really seem at all plausible that at least three of these children have conditions that would remotely warrant that kind of treatment? And that, if they did, that no one -- not a family member, not the Turpins themselves -- would have raised that in their defense?

Again, starvation, educational deprivation, high degree of isolation, living in filth, -- there's a clear pattern. Not to mention that according to officials, the kids themselves are giving plenty of information to substantiate the torture.

Even in court, the term is "reasonable doubt," not "it would theoretically be possible to construct a non-physics defying scenario in which this person could be innocent."
 
I need to catch up!! These threads are so long, which is great! Just need to find the time to catch up.

Do we know when the adults and children will be transferred from the hospitals to assisted living and the two foster homes?
 
I don't see anyone doubting the severity of the situation. It's just that we don't know all of the facts that precede events that we are aware of. The pie thing was a good example.....we don't doubt that the kids were starving and that the parents are cruel, but the damned pies could have been there for some other purpose that we are unaware of, and have nothing to do with the feeding regimen. We may be correct in our suspicions that they were there for only the parents to eat and to tantalize the kids, but we do not KNOW that as a fact. How many of us who were not being starved and malnourished by our parents were told to stay out of the cookie jar? JMO

Really?!

https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN1F71AY

"(Reuters) - The 13 children imprisoned for years by their parents in their squalid California home were beaten, shackled, starved and even taunted with food that they were forbidden to eat, a prosecutor said on Thursday.

The victims, ages 2 to 29, were severely malnourished, suffering from muscle wasting and stunted growth. Several had cognitive impairment and nerve damage from extreme and prolonged physical abuse, the prosecutor said."
 
And also depends on how questions are asked to get answers. Not saying abuse didn't happen. Just pointing out that example of pies on counter. It could be true were not allowed to eat. But there could be a valid reason for that and also which of the 12 made the allegation. Why were chained up, there was one statement that said LT couldn't give valid reason iirc. I don't know why they were. Haven't heard any explanations from -DT or LT. I don't know if those individuals had medical or mental issues and used restraints for some sort of safety reasons? It could be true in that situation or not. I am NOT sticking up for -DT or LT. There's just a lot people are assuming. One daughter seems challenged in Elvis video. Not just shoes either. The son who was still chained does as well. Bankruptcy documents show a eye specialist was seen by someone.

My hope is there could be many facts to go with small snippets about 13 individuals that makes this less horrific as first reports. Especially reading multiple media reports with different versions on same person quoted. Jmho

Even if there was a medical reason to restrain, there is no valid excuse for even one of them to lie in urine soaked beds and filthy living conditions. Just as there is no excuse for having pies on the counter in front of emaciated, starving children. None, zip, nada. JMO
 
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Thank you Sandy for posting the picture of LT and oldest son, at KK. I was hoping there might be something in the picture that would identify the KK location. There's an announcement that a KK was opened in Menefee in November 2016. I thought it might be that KK but now, seeing the picture again, the baby should have been about a year and a half at that time, and the baby in the picture is probably 5 - 6 months.
 
The parents gave away consciousness of GUILT when they rushed to unchain the kids upon the arrival of the police. The cops only found one kid chained because the parents didn't have enough time to unchain him. If they had a legitimate reason, even in their own perverse world, for chaining kids up, they probably would have said so. They provided the cops with no logical reason, when asked. JMO
 
(Why are we even having this discussion? Can we please move on? Getting angry.Yeah, I can scroll and roll, but I'd prefer a constructive discussion here....I guess I'll just go to another thread before I get a timeou)
 
I don't see anyone doubting the severity of the situation. It's just that we don't know all of the facts that precede events that we are aware of. The pie thing was a good example.....we don't doubt that the kids were starving and that the parents are cruel, but the damned pies could have been there for some other purpose that we are unaware of, and have nothing to do with the feeding regimen. We may be correct in our suspicions that they were there for only the parents to eat and to tantalize the kids, but we do not KNOW that as a fact. How many of us who were not being starved and malnourished by our parents were told to stay out of the cookie jar? JMO

The relevant fact is that the pies were in front of visibly emaciated children and adults. The reason the pies were there is totally irrelevant. JMO
 
am I misunderstanding the bolded part here? Do you honestly believe there is ever a reason one could use for having tied or chained up children, adult age or minors? Or denied them food ? These were not obese or chubby kids to being with, if the pictures we have seen are any indiction. They were nearly skeletal. That’s not the same as taking away second helpings or dessert.

Facts already show they were all underweight (except the youngest) and at least some were chained. And the Excrement and urine ?

We don’t have to nitpick the extent or exact forms of abuse, but these kids were obvious victims.

I am trying so hard to understand why there seems to be anyone who would try to justify any of this abusiveness. It just boggles my brain. I’m losing ....

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sorry arkansasmimi ... this is not meant to be directed at you except for the first question ... I can’t agree there is ever a justifiable reason that fits this case. I am just so sensitive with this subject, I guess, and had to vent a bit.

No problem. Don't give a pass on any abuse. I know we are told chains and padlocks. Well believe that until I hear different. I do know that reports about ropes could be actual ropes (we don't know when this was alleged to be but iirc Texas? So prior to 2010) Not sure what restraints (type I aware of yrs ago had soft cloth around wrist then strings to attach to hospital bed rail) Possible for some reason they were used for safety reason and got out. Was notified LEO speak or language one if the 12 used? If used restraints for reason and didn't work is that why used chain? Was this on all or just those 3?

Definitely not trying give a pass on anything just thinking out loud of some kind of less horrific reason. I personally hope some can be explained. I pray it not as bad. But some will always believe first reports of the worst possible. Just like the Billy Bob photo stories just grow. (Not mean you). Gotta try keep open mind. Especially til get more facts.
 
Not any times I've gone....

"The park's “Ticket Tag” system doesn't store biometric information permanently, but instead assigns each*fingerprint*a numerical code which is used to identify visitors in the future. As of now, the Ticket Tag system is mandatory at*Disney*World parks for guests ages three and up.Sep 7, 2016"

Disney World Is Now Scanning Toddlers’ Fingers When They Enter The ParkThey say it’s to keep tickets safe.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/disney-world-fingerprint-scanning_us_57d062cbe4b0a48094a7329a
 
I don't see anyone doubting the severity of the situation. It's just that we don't know all of the facts that precede events that we are aware of. The pie thing was a good example.....we don't doubt that the kids were starving and that the parents are cruel, but the damned pies could have been there for some other purpose that we are unaware of, and have nothing to do with the feeding regimen. We may be correct in our suspicions that they were there for only the parents to eat and to tantalize the kids, but we do not KNOW that as a fact. How many of us who were not being starved and malnourished by our parents were told to stay out of the cookie jar? JMO


From the perspective of the victims the pies/parents were taunting them. I get that.
I can only imagine being that starved and having food nearby but being unable to eat that food.
 
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