CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #8

[they'll get you]

He wrote the book on fasting and journaling and he wants the children?, OMG.

Dr Randy Turpin is the uncle of the 13 kids found in California's horror house.Source:Supplied
Dr Turpin wrote a book in 2016 called 21 Days of Prayer and Fasting that promotes the spiritual benefits of depriving yourself of food and of journalling.
Authorities allege that Mr and Mrs Turpin deliberately starved their children and forced them to write in journals, hundreds of which have now been taken into evidence.
Mrs Turpin’s sister, Teresa Robinette, believes the children should be cared for by her side of the family.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...t/news-story/0dff2be5815931fd89475647007da8d5


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[Zelda1010]

I found this article fascinating and relevant, even though it appears to be from 1992 and concerns abused kids who kill the abuser.

https://www.paulmones.com/when-kids-kill-abusive-parents

"Typically, the child who kills a parent is from 16 to 18 years old, from a white middle-class family. Most have above-average intelligence, although their schoolwork may be below average. They generally are well-adjusted in school and the community, though they tend to be isolated, without many friends. They commonly have had no prior run-in with the law.

Abuse is a mild term for the torture that parents inflict.

Most abused children suffer quietly. The lucky ones find other supportive adults who nurture them, typically a nonabusive parent, grandparent, teacher or coach. Some manage to cope by emotionally numbing themselves or by taking out their repressed anger on someone other than the abuser. Others find the torment intolerable. They may run away or try to commit suicide. Donna Marie Wisener once had a gun in her mouth when she was discovered by her father, who told her, “Next time do it right.”

Some seek outside help, but often to no avail. “I spent my whole childhood trying to get help, and none ever came,” says Roy Rowe, 19, who last year was sentenced to four to 12 years for killing his stepfather. ... Teachers reported their suspicions of abuse; relatives tried to intervene. But each time, police officers and social workers left the children in the home. On his 17th birthday, Roy shot and killed his stepfather on their front porch as he came home from work.

What makes some children finally snap? “They don’t pay as you go with regard to aggression,” observes Detroit psychiatrist Emanuel Tanay. “You might think they’re passive, but they’re also explosive.” Many parricides occur when the child is on the cusp of independence, about to break away from a parent’s domination. Sometimes the killing is triggered by a desire to protect the other parent or siblings.

Often an escalation in the level of violence precedes the slaying. Mark Martone was 16 when he shot his father to death. “This was not a routine beating,” he recalls. His father had slammed his head against a radiator, kicked him in the ribs and struck him on the skull with a hammer. As he sat in jail the night of the murder, Mark was still terrified. “Oh, God,” he said to himself, “what am I doing here! Dad’s going to kill me!” Mark was convicted of homicide as a juvenile but was sentenced to six months probation. Like others who have suffered the same ordeal, he remains torn by his immense relief, guilt, grief, even love. “It may sound sick, but I did love him,” says Mark. “I still love him. I mean, he was my father.”

Though some occur during an episode of brutal abuse, most happen when parents are in a vulnerable position: coming in the door, watching television, cooking dinner with their back turned, or sleeping. That may be the only time youngsters can overpower their abusers, but it makes the killing appear to be cold-blooded murder.

Many abused youngsters think that hitting and kicking are normal, and most cannot conceive of turning in their mothers and fathers."

 

[Annad]

A few things are going around in my head about this case.


1. DT and LT fed off each other. I think both are equally responsible for the torture, and supported each other in their insane ideas to control their children. I think LT specialised in the emotional torture and DL in the violence (restraints and strangulation) and possible sexual abuse.


2. LT considered herself a homemake but was so lazy she could not even look after a couple of children let alone 13 of them. If she had any brains she would have taught her children how to clean but could not even manage that! She could not be bothered to cook, clean, organise a budget etc.


3. I have been reading here about the poor 16 year old girl who died from a heart attack who was starved and 86 pounds. Was not the eldest girl in this case 82 pound. She was lucky to survive.


4. I think the escape could not have occurred at a worst time for the parents. They have a pattern of abandoning properties when the filth becomes overwhelming, vanishing to a new state to start again and maybe keeping it together for a year or two before they lose it. As the parents were just about to leave, the state of the house was in an horrific condition. And a few week later in OK, they might have been able to get away with it.

 

[rsd1200]

The screens are not older screens. The house is only a few years old.

It doesn't take long. If they are those type screens. we've replaced ours on certain windows (weather , sun, wind, birds, insect damage), several times, and our home is not that old. A good punch or hit with an object and they will come out. We replace the ones on the screened porch two years ago and a sparrow took one out last fall. They aren't like the old wire screens.

 

[Midgie2]

I have a few things that have been rolling around inside my head about this case...

Firstly, the lack of medical care or pediatrician for the kids. Newborns/babies are usually required well baby visits, and the required immunizations, usually until the age of two. I think LT probably did bring the babies in for the first 2 years, because it would raise major red flags if she DIDN'T. When you have more than one child, like many do, you tend to stick with the same pediatrician for years. She must have brought the baby in alone, in order to avoid the Dr. seeing any signs of abuse/neglect. I can't imagine a pediatrician not being concerned about how thin and guant these kids looked. Any thoughts on this?

Also, I really believe she planned out ahead of time, (before family came to visit or Disney pics) to fatten the kids up a bit and gave them more food. So there is no telling how the kids looked when not in photos.

I know what LT's sister says has to be taken with a grain of salt, but she said she mentioned or questioned to LT why the kids were so skinny. LT told her that the kids take after their father and are thin/lanky/tall. Or something along those lines. So that must have been her stock answer when anyone questioned about it, and sadly people believed her.

LT's other sister, the red head, said that when she stayed with LT/DT over the summer, (the oldest Turpin daughter was still pretty little then) that if she wanted something to eat the child had to look her mother in the eye, have a smile on her face and ask LT for food. This was in front of LT's sister so I can only imagine what went down with no one watching.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Very cunning, dangerous sociopathic/sadist/NPD woman I believe. She is right where she belongs.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

I suspect that law enforcement has been issued a search warrant for all of the cell phones in the house and are obtaining all of the texts and photos on the cell phones. This is what they did in the torture case in Tracy CA (here is the search warrant - http://www.recordnet.com/assets/pdf/SR77824.PDF ). It is possible that the 17 year old did not take pictures of the captive children on the cell phone, but that the parents themselves are the ones that regularly took photos.

The search warrant for the case in Perris is probably sealed, but at some point it will probably become unsealed.

 

[rsd1200]

I grew up in a religion that fasts once a month for 24 hours and donates the money they would have spent on food to the church food bank (in theory and I don't think it's "official doctrine" even though they sunday's main like.. sermon type time is actually called "fast and testimony meeting" so idk). Point is I quickly learned to claim and fake symptoms of low blood sugar so my dad would give up on me doing it because Mom would back me. I thought that was nearly torture. I'm feeling pretty darn grateful for my parents right now.

I have an athiest friend who fasted for 48 hrs, monthly and did something similar, with bringing attention to world hunger.

 

[Bodhi]

Those houses are so close together. I wonder how their next door neighbors are feeling right now.

The houses in my neighborhood are about the same distance apart. Our house is a tri-level like the one on the right in the picture. I know waaaay too much about my next door neighbors (and their 5 kids) who live in a ranch much like the house of horrors. I mean we know what our neighbors are cooking for dinner.

How could you not SMELL it?

Someone on an earlier thread noted that it is not that unusual for people to stay indoors in Riverside area. He/she gave the number of days per year that are near 100.

People in that climate live in air-conditioned homes with the windows closed. I expect you smell what your neighbors are cooking and know more about them because the climate where you live is not as hot in the summer and windows are open or they are grilling outside. And those of us in snowy, cold conditions right now, make the most of being outside when we can.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Don't know if this has been posted but there is an article with more pictures of the Texas home. Quite horrifying. But there is a picture of this drawing that was posted a few threads back that shows it was drawn on a wall. It is quite large and up high by the upper right next to a door. And, the other thing I notice is the circles are almost perfect. That's not easy to do at that scale, especially.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5318481/House-Horrors-pair-fled-Texas-child-sought-help.html

 

[rsd1200]

As a foster mom, I've seen almost every child I've ever had in my home have a fierce loyalty toward their birth parent(s), regardless of the atrocities they perpetrated against the kids - starvation, locked in dark closets, sexually abused, passed around to friends and family members, locked outside in winter storms, etc.

I have a three-year-old I've had for two years, taken away from her birth parents for many of the above reasons. She still has weekly visits with her birth parents, though they only show up about 50% of the time. Though she views me as her "mama," she would go back to her birth mom in a second if given the chance.

I hope the Turpin kids feel much differently -- all of them

It's so sad.

Thank you for sharing this. I've seen the same, The young lady who was with us, between homes, even called her parent after he got out of prison for what he did to her. There was a no contact order, so he hung up. You dont know what to say. She was an adult, so it wasnt my place to stop her. She's had such a rough path.

 

[Midgie2]

I have to think that the polaroids left behind at the Texas house as well as the drawing on the wall were cries for help.

Can anybody make out what the word is that is written next to the drawing on the wall?

 

[ocgrad]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but I noticed a couple of things in these pictures that I found curious. At this link:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01...use-of-horrors-in-perris-family-torture-case/

Pic 2/15 or pic 5/15 (I think is almost the same pic) shows what appears to be wooden bunk beds through the front window. Those wood slats look like the ones that were loaded in police vehicles and taken as evidence. Got me to thinking, were the children chained so close to their bed that they laid in their own waste on the top bunk dripping down to the bottom bunk? Or could they get down to the ground just not get out of the room?

Pic 7/15 shows an officer carrying a box that says "Everything Christian for Less".
(no words . . . . )

Good find on the bunk beds.
I notice the window is open in that room.
DL4EVER - I don't even know what to say.
7/15 is from Christianbook.com - maybe books for school?
8/15 The look on the photographer's face.

 

[ocgrad]

I have to think that the polaroids left behind at the Texas house as well as the drawing on the wall were cries for help.

Can anybody make out what the word is that is written next to the drawing on the wall?

The word starts with a J, is it Jevi? Could that me a nickname? Isn't it interesting that it looks like a fat person?

 

[SandyQLS]

..RSBM... LT's other sister, the red head, said that when she stayed with LT/DT over the summer, (the oldest Turpin daughter was still pretty little then) that if she wanted something to eat the child had to look her mother in the eye, have a smile on her face and ask LT for food. This was in front of LT's sister so I can only imagine what went down with no one watching. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Very cunning, dangerous sociopathic/sadist/NPD woman I believe. She is right where she belongs.

Yes, I caught that part, too! I know someone who does that with their dog - they prepare the dog's dinner and hold the bowl, and the dog must obediently wait and sit before they put it on the floor. For a dog training that makes sense. For a child, it's creating learned dependency, it's about control and deeply sinister (I shudder at a small child looking into LT's eyes), and shows a complete lack of love from the mother. Whatever label helps people assess LT works, she is clearly evil and she perpetrated her brand of evil against her own children.

 

[Midgie2]

The word starts with a J, is it Jevi? Could that me a nickname? Isn't it interesting that it looks like a fat person?

That's what I got out of it too! Jevi. It has to be one of the children, all their names start with J.

Because of the small head and the enormous body/abdomen, I'm leaning towards they we're focusing on that area, that area hurt, etc.

 

[Midgie2]

Yes, I caught that part, too! I know someone who does that with their dog - they prepare the dog's dinner and hold the bowl, and the dog must obediently wait and sit before they put it on the floor. For a dog training that makes sense. For a child, it's creating learned dependency, it's about control and deeply sinister (I shudder at a small child looking into LT's eyes), and shows a complete lack of love from the mother. Whatever label helps people assess LT works, she is clearly evil and she perpetrated her brand of evil against her own children.

I found that so awful and you are right, all about control and power. Awful!

 

[human]

I found this article fascinating and relevant, even though it appears to be from 1992 and concerns abused kids who kill the abuser.

https://www.paulmones.com/when-kids-kill-abusive-parents

"Typically, the child who kills a parent is from 16 to 18 years old, from a white middle-class family. Most have above-average intelligence, although their schoolwork may be below average. They generally are well-adjusted in school and the community, though they tend to be isolated, without many friends. They commonly have had no prior run-in with the law.

Abuse is a mild term for the torture that parents inflict.

Most abused children suffer quietly. The lucky ones find other supportive adults who nurture them, typically a nonabusive parent, grandparent, teacher or coach. Some manage to cope by emotionally numbing themselves or by taking out their repressed anger on someone other than the abuser. Others find the torment intolerable. They may run away or try to commit suicide. Donna Marie Wisener once had a gun in her mouth when she was discovered by her father, who told her, “Next time do it right.”

Some seek outside help, but often to no avail. “I spent my whole childhood trying to get help, and none ever came,” says Roy Rowe, 19, who last year was sentenced to four to 12 years for killing his stepfather. ... Teachers reported their suspicions of abuse; relatives tried to intervene. But each time, police officers and social workers left the children in the home. On his 17th birthday, Roy shot and killed his stepfather on their front porch as he came home from work.

What makes some children finally snap? “They don’t pay as you go with regard to aggression,” observes Detroit psychiatrist Emanuel Tanay. “You might think they’re passive, but they’re also explosive.” Many parricides occur when the child is on the cusp of independence, about to break away from a parent’s domination. Sometimes the killing is triggered by a desire to protect the other parent or siblings.

Often an escalation in the level of violence precedes the slaying. Mark Martone was 16 when he shot his father to death. “This was not a routine beating,” he recalls. His father had slammed his head against a radiator, kicked him in the ribs and struck him on the skull with a hammer. As he sat in jail the night of the murder, Mark was still terrified. “Oh, God,” he said to himself, “what am I doing here! Dad’s going to kill me!” Mark was convicted of homicide as a juvenile but was sentenced to six months probation. Like others who have suffered the same ordeal, he remains torn by his immense relief, guilt, grief, even love. “It may sound sick, but I did love him,” says Mark. “I still love him. I mean, he was my father.”

Though some occur during an episode of brutal abuse, most happen when parents are in a vulnerable position: coming in the door, watching television, cooking dinner with their back turned, or sleeping. That may be the only time youngsters can overpower their abusers, but it makes the killing appear to be cold-blooded murder.

Many abused youngsters think that hitting and kicking are normal, and most cannot conceive of turning in their mothers and fathers."

How does this fit in with them planning an escape for two,years?

 

[Amonet]

Yes, my British husband said the same thing the first summer he lived here. :drumroll: I don't know for sure but suspect there are none in England as the time when bugs are most out is also the time when it is raining? I'd love to know. I can say some older screens are heavy mesh while newer ones are almost a cheesecloth type light fabric. Newer ones can be cut with a fingernail if you are not careful (though usually, that's if you are trying to repair one still in the window)

YED

I've got N. American friends who've talked about screens and I've been curious and jealous of them! I hate flies and wasps getting in in the summer!

We do have mosquitoes, but usually just a few days here and there when it's very hot in summer and there's a standing pool of water in the grass. My mum used to say they bit her (she called them gnats and I didn't know until recently that gnats were mosquitoes) but I've never been bitten.

They don't seem to come inside and they don't carry disease here, so that would make a big difference in screens not catching on over here. But also it could be the British way for tolerating rubbish things, and if it's only for a few weeks a year, then we'll just turn on the stiff upper lip and get on with it? But the lack of disease risk over here compared to high disease risk in the US from mosquitoes, I think that's probably the most important difference.

One of my curiosities with screens is "how do you open the windows?", but most houses here have windows that open outward, and I see the Turpin house had sash windows, so there's another practical difference that would prevent them from catching on over here, and we'd have to have some other option to fit on the inside of the windows. I have seen a door screen sold in DIY stores (hardware stores) in summer months that's a nylon mesh with magnetic fixings down a central line in the screen so you can still walk through it, but also keep out flies, and you fix it internally so that you can keep your back door open in summer without as many flies getting in.

 

[human]

Gnats are teeny tiny biting insects.

 

[Amonet]

From the words we've seen so far from the DA's office, and the limited statements from the defense, I think they're trying to set up a game of chicken in preparation for making a plea deal.

The DA has been releasing some factual statements on the terrible conditions in the home, and has also said that he's prepared to get the siblings trial-prepped, and the defense has released a statement (I believe) saying that they don't think they can get a fair trial in Riverside. It seems to me like one side is saying, "you're not going to be able to defend against these kids being on the stand" and the other is saying, "we'll go to trial but in another county", so it feels like they might be making space in the middle for a possible plea deal to avoid the siblings going into court, but also seeing and hearing those siblings on the stand would make for a very powerful statement to the jury, combined with pictures of the shackles and the waste in the home.

The DA could choose to not call the siblings as defense witnesses and use pictures and other evidence, but I think hearing their stories from them would make it a slam-dunk for the prosecution, and the defense won't want that. So the defense will have to tell their clients how hard it would be to win, and that if they lose they'll be going down for multiple life sentences, but a plea deal might give them something like 40 years with a chance of parole at 30 years (which would make LT 79 and DT in his 80s).

The only options I can see for the defense is for of them to hope that either DT or LT will turn on each other, so that one side's attorney has the option to present them as a 14th victim, or to try to diminish the amount of abuse by saying, "well they did sometimes go out! And the adults could have left whenever they wanted, but they didn't want to! The minors were our responsibility and they abuse wasn't as bad as claimed, we're just strict with the kids for their own benefit, but we did it out of love and protection" I imagine that LT, at least, will be wanting her lawyer to go for the latter argument, but I personally think it would be a losing argument to a jury, especially when you add in possible medical evidence of untreated conditions, so I don't see a way out of arguing neglect and abuse, and I can only see a very weak defense for the false imprisonment and torture charges. So I think that will leave the attorneys strongly suggesting that if either of them wants a chance of a few years freedom in their later years that they have to go for a plea.