Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Rescued from Cave, 23 June 2018 #6

[CoverMeCagney]

In four years, Dude. England players are young and talented, they gonna be in their prime in four years, and bring it home

Pleased/surprised we got where we did to be honest! My 10 year old, however, has gone to bed devastated. Still, he could have been trapped in a cave for a fortnight so he'll get over it!

Just watching the news here and they showed a video of the coach sitting up in his hospital bed. Far more important than a game.

 

[margarita25]

A thought here. I’m thinking we might be misinterpreting “tourist attraction”, thinki if it like Disney World. I’m think they might be meaning “historical marker”, to commemorate a place where a diver lost his life and the world came together to save these kids. It would be an educational place in the future. Similar to a showing a war bunker, old concentration camp, museum you get my drift.

 

[*Verdigris]

You and Verdigris are prolly right- last ones out prolly can't have
close photographers in with them yet. I'll still feel a lot better
when I've seen them and coach.

Just want to give a personal observation here about the sedation.
Many, many years back when I got SCUBA CERTIFIED- all adults
in class- we got to choose our dive partners early on. There were
so many I would not be partners with because they all went
schizo at times during diving because of normal claustophobic
reactions and fear of being underwater and fear of maybe not
being able to breathe, panic, panic, panic.
So when this rescue first started, in my mind, with young inexperienced boys with limited swimming skills and no real
diving training- I was positively sure they would sedate all
the boys out of necessity. To insure their safety as well as
the accompanying divers. Fighting with someone underwater
with all your gear on can kill you and the other one. Experienced
lifeguards will also tell you stories of drowning victims fighting
the lifeguard out of sheer panic.
I'm just glad they're finally being up front and transparent
about this.

Thanks for that depiction. I've not been surprised that most everything (actually, I think completely everything) coming from divers' is that all opinions concur.
I pretty much figured it was a given, that they would be sedated, even when they were still talking about the kids being active in diving out.
I'm very glad the boys didn't have to, and rescuers were able to "package" them afterall, completely sedated. That's what I was (and a bunch of us were) hoping they could do.
I felt that if my kid were in there, I'm pretty sure I'd want for him to be sedated. And now that I have seen the footage, I am certain of it.
It would have been risky either way for the kids, and this was surely the lesser. And successful. Bless Dr. Harris.
And btw, I don't think I'd want to learn diving, if I couldn't chose my partner! That's scary. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[creepcrusher]

Thanks for that depiction. I've not been surprised that most everything (actually, I think completely everything) coming from divers' is that all opinions concur.
I pretty much figured it was a given, that they would be sedated, even when they were still talking about the kids being active in diving out.
I'm very glad the boys didn't have to, and rescuers were able to "package" them afterall, completely sedated. That's what I was (and a bunch of us were) hoping they could do.
I felt that if my kid were in there, I'm pretty sure I'd want for him to be sedated. And now that I have seen the footage, I am certain of it.
It would have been risky either way for the kids, and this was surely the lesser. And successful. Bless Dr. Harris.
And btw, I don't think I'd want to learn diving, if I couldn't chose my partner! That's scary. Thanks for the heads up.

They won’t have a scary memory of swimming out of there through something compared to a toilet bowl either. A little less traumatic for them than it could’ve been imo.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

A thought here. I’m thinking we might be misinterpreting “tourist attraction”, thinki if it like Disney World. I’m think they might be meaning “historical marker”, to commemorate a place where a diver lost his life and the world came together to save these kids. It would be an educational place in the future. Similar to a showing a war bunker, old concentration camp, museum you get my drift.

The problem is that people are now going to WANT to go into the cave (more so if they make a film) so they might as well make it safe and controlled and official to avoid something like this ever happening again. Chiang Rai and the Golden Triangle as well as the crossing over to Laos are a well worn backpacker route, I can see Tham Luang becoming an extension of that. All those daft farang gap year kids scoring opium and getting brave, doesn't bear thinking about!

You're right though, it'll never be Disney. Probably a ticket hut, a shrine to the lost SEAL and some pictures of the boys. Nothing flash. They'll also need to consider somehow closing the entrance off during monsoon season.

 

[dyannaON]

It must of been scary for the boys if they were sedated. Knowing and seeing their teammates go to “sleep” and leave and knowing you would be doing the same. Or the first boy his anxiety. Being the first.
Now imagine when they awoke. Be in at ambulance or hospital. The relief. Gahhhh

 

[*Verdigris]

I agree. I mean, Saudi gave citizenship to that creepy Sophia robot, I am sure something can be done for these Thai boys.

...need to remind myself to look this up. Sophia what? A real robot, or a figure of speech?

 

[*Verdigris]

I prayed these boys would make it. And they all did.

(sbm)
I knew these boys would make it. And they all did.
Hiya Bravs❤︎

 

[*Verdigris]

Our country is fantastic as evidenced by how we rallied around these boys and their coach.

Our world is fantastic as evidenced by how we rallied around these boys and their coach.

There... fixed.

 

[Hatfield]

Yes, good video of extractions from cave - shows what appears to be relay teams of rescuers passing the boy on a stretcher along the way.
Thai cave boys 'dived in zero visibility for half an hour at a time' | Daily Mail Online

Here is a diagram indicating "About 3 hours spent underwater"
Pichayada P. on Twitter
Thai cave rescue operation: The final day, as it happened

WOW
Watching some of the inside cave videos.

You can tell how much work was involved by looking at all the hoses that were laying along the walls of the cave.

Tons of lines of hoses all along the way. Some lines were anchored to the cave wall with anchor devices like a mountain climber would use.

We can finally see why it took so long before they even started getting the boys out. They got all that stuff in place.

You can also see how dangerous it is to walk on the slippery rocks and the sharp edges. One bad fall and you can get cut really bad or break a bone. If you injure yourself deep in a cave and dont have someone that can go for help then you are in serious trouble.

Its something to remember for anyone who does hiking in remote places. Always try to go with a 2nd person or at a minimum be sure you have cell phone coverage because if you break a leg or cut yourself or bit by a deadly snake you may need help to get back. You may not be able to get back on your own.

It took me a few trips before I learned about that. I still will go alone but I have a plan if something goes wrong. I leave word to a loved one exactly where I am going or at least the general area I am heading and if I am not back by a certain time like midnight that evening then they are to go for help. I make the time far enough away where it would definitely be some sort of problem if not back by then. Like midnight.

 

[Spellbound]

A thought here. I’m thinking we might be misinterpreting “tourist attraction”, thinki if it like Disney World. I’m think they might be meaning “historical marker”, to commemorate a place where a diver lost his life and the world came together to save these kids. It would be an educational place in the future. Similar to a showing a war bunker, old concentration camp, museum you get my drift.

I haven't seen much about what will come of the cave, except for this:

[Thai Prime Minister] Prayuth said the Tham Luang cave would be closed for some time to make it safe for visitors.
Thailand cave rescue: All 12 boys, soccer coach rescued

 

[Spellbound]

Is The independent considered reliable or senastionalist reporting? I'm not sure whether to consider this a good source..?

Classmates of trapped Thai boys 'still plan to explore caves themselves'
--For adolescent boys in this mountainous region of far northern Thailand, venturing deep into the dark and mysterious Tham Luang cave network is seen as a rite of passage.

--Journeys venturing inside the cave were a regular part of training for the "Wild Boars" youth football team, building camaraderie

--“They will be stronger when they come out,” said Nanthawat Prangsangwilia, a gangly 16-year-old who goes by the nickname Gan.

“When they come home, those kids will be able to teach us something – about how to survive, about how to stay safe in the caves.”

--Gan declared that, armed with the wisdom of the survivors, he would still be willing now to head into the caves that have threatened to claim the lives of his fellow students.

--Locals say that the ill-fated trip inside Tham Luang was one in a series of excursions, where the boys would push further and further inside the underground labyrinth, hardening them for the rigours of both the pitch and regular life.

 

[Spellbound]

Tourist attraction? Hollywood film?

What’s next for the Thai cave?
Officials are reportedly preparing for the Chiang Rai site to become a “world-class tourist attraction”, while Hollywood producers are in discussion about making a major film out of it.

‘A WORLD-CLASS TOURIST ATTRACTION’
The Thai cave looks set to become a massive new moneymaker.
Thai officials have hinted the Tham Luang complex where the dramatic rescue mission unfolded may be turned into a sightseeing destination.
“In this crisis situation, today, I don’t want to talk about work, but I think the Thai people, we are lucky that we are going to have a world-class tourist attraction,” Thailand’s deputy head of national parks Chongklai Woraponsathron said.
Last week, the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) said it planned to promote the Tham Luang cave as a tourist attraction after it featured so prominently in the news.
The agency is expecting a major increase in visitors to the 10km limestone cave after the rescue garnered global attention.
Thailand Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha said extra precautions would have to be implemented to safeguard tourists wanting to visit the cave.

“In future, we have to monitor the entrance and exit to the cave. This cave has become world-famous … we have to install more lights inside the cave and put up signs,” he told reporters in Bangkok.

He also said the cave was “dangerous” and added that it would be closed to the public until “everything is in order”.

The decision ultimately rests with the Thailand Department of Natural Resources, but it wouldn’t be totally outlandish.

For one thing, the place is steeped in local history.

According to Fairfax, the cave is known to locals as the Tham Luang Nang Non — the great cave of the sleeping lady — and from an angle does vaguely resemble a person lying down.

Locals believe the sleeping lady was a princess who fell pregnant to a local stablehand. The devastated princess killed herself after her father ordered his soldiers to kill the boy, and the legend now goes that the water flowing through the cave is her blood.


More at link

 

[*Verdigris]

Also, this is horrible to think about, but the knowledge that the main cave divers are most experienced at recovering dead bodies from caves means they have excellent experience at pulling a motionless body out of an underwater cave. All they had to do was figure out the best way to keep the boys motionless and breathing so they could be carefully pulled out. I don't think they tau

(sbmff)

I thought the exact same thing, but wasn't sure if I wanted to mention that or not. *gulp*
But although "Harry" is used to recovery rather than rescue, how oddly amazing is it that he is also a qualified anesthetist.
He's a skilled cave diver, skilled extraction specialist, and a skilled anesthetist. Really, can hardly get any more specialized than that - and he was precisely what was needed for this rescue.
How 'bout them apples?
I'm going to have to start numbering all the miracle puzzle pieces that perfectly fit together. From first to last. (Lordy, that would take forever.)
These divers are such an elite group; and I'm so very glad they called him in.

 

[Gardener1850]

A thought here. I’m thinking we might be misinterpreting “tourist attraction”, thinki if it like Disney World. I’m think they might be meaning “historical marker”, to commemorate a place where a diver lost his life and the world came together to save these kids. It would be an educational place in the future. Similar to a showing a war bunker, old concentration camp, museum you get my drift.

JMO, I think there is a good chance it will become a Buddhist Shrine like these:
Buddhist Cave Temples Are Jaw-Droppingly Gorgeous (PHOTOS) | HuffPost

 

[creepcrusher]

JMO, I think there is a good chance it will become a Buddhist Shrine like these:
Buddhist Cave Temples Are Jaw-Droppingly Gorgeous (PHOTOS) | HuffPost

Sort of reminds me of the Game of Thrones set. Pretty cool.

 

[Jax49]

Reading this just really drives it home. This was no easy rescue (not that anyone thought it was). It's truly miraculous they pulled this off. They dragged half- or unconscious kids through the pitch dark under water because otherwise they would die for sure. I start hyperventilating just thinking of it. So very very glad to see them in their safe clean hospital beds. These rescuers did the impossible.

The more video I watch the more amazed I am. Wow. Well done world.

 

[Gardenista]

5 minute video here. Haven't watched yet

Thailand cave rescue: First pictures of boys recovering in hospital

 

[Gardenista]

Thai cave rescue: Navy Seals say mission came 'close to disaster'

 

[pocketaccent]

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We're okay! Thai cave boys smile and wave from hospital beds as footage emerges of their daring rescue and new details of operation are reveale

Thai cave boys 'dived in zero visibility for half an hour at a time' | Daily Mail Online

A single still shot from Thai TV news, of one of the boys in the hospital.

Also, video of operations in the cave. (I think it was already released before.)

ETA corrected "tunnel" to cave (still in a stupor I guess!)

The precious little 11 old boy is sleeping again. He was sleeping inside the cave also in one of the earlier videos.
He loves to take naps.