AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #6

[Byte]

Just woke up to the call log and everything else; the yelling makes me think there was some type of dialog between the deceased victims and the perp(s)- leading me to think that they at the very least knew who was attacking them; though that could be a hasty conclusion. I'd look into someone that the mother or father was concerned about, possibly not in an aggressive way either. Just a statement like '___ is an odd kid' could be a red flag.

My gut tells me that the perp was someone they knew but never expected to hurt them.

 

[DeepThinker]

If there were an issue in the house that would cause JC and DC to perhaps "take a break", JC goes to sister's house. So, did JC see someone leaving the house and confront DC? Or did he come by in another person's vehicle and that was an issue? Or, did he catch Jayme sneaking in and confront her and whoever she was with lost control? That would still leave her very endangered as she is with a mentally unstable person.

 

[Confusion]

So it's likely that it was Denise's phone, and Denise was still alive, and valiantly made the call. It could be the perp was busy with Jayme, heard something (such as 911 operator saying "what is the nature of your emergency?"), went to find phone, possibly destroyed it, even polished off Denise maybe (accounting for why live parent was dead 4 mins later), and realized he had about 2 minutes to get out of there---so grabbed Jayme and went.

This has probably already been mentioned, but I'm way behind again. Isn't it also possible that she called and died before she could say anything? If the yelling was the guy ordering Jayme around, it would have probably been silent once they left. That could have made the dispatcher think they had lost connection and try to call back. MOO

I really have to go back and get caught up, will you guys please type more slowly?

ETA: Not sure if this was clarified yet, but it appears that the dispatcher sent out the call as a possible suicide, not that the responding officers thought it was. MOO again.

 

[JaneEyre]

Haven't been here in awhile, just getting caught up on this case.

This may be a silly question but here goes:

Do we know that the door kicking occurred before LEO got there and that it wasn't actually LEO who kicked in the door? The statement from the 911 transcript could be read either way IMO.

It's important because it changes the nature of our view of the case. If it was LEO who kicked in the door, then this could have been someone they let in.

Yes. Someone posted an article saying cops arrived with door kicked in and father deceased.

 

[OneQ84]

I thought the Sheriff said there was no evidence of forced entry... Am I missing something? Why the focus on the door and the time of the reported shots fired? I really don't get it... Thanks so much

 

[Andreee]

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I'm new here but just wanted to mention that right from the 'get-go' it was almost impossible for me to believe (after seeing photos of J & postings from pals, her fb, etc.) that J was somehow involved in this horrific happening. A stalker or boyfriend of hers I could see, but I don't think that is the case either due to her unassuming and quiet personality. I don't believe this act of violence is random either, with either the mom or dad being the main target. It seems that nothing was taken from the home as far as material items, so not a robbery gone wrong. I would think if it is not random, there would be some kind of clues in the home computers perhaps.

 

[Memphis Bluez]

2 opposing thoughts...

1 someone was at the house around the 1230 time frame dad fires warning shots to encourage them to leave. (this is what neighbors hear) Could have been an invited or uninvited guest, who they now wanted gone. Person leaves to get a gun. Dad locks his hunting gun back up. Person kicks in door upon their return. (Trying to make the time frame work)

2 we're (myself included) taking the time of the shots heard by the neighbors as gospel to make a time frame work, and maybe they're wrong. Given the several stories they have out there either poorly reported or misremembered, I'm not sure it's correct. Not uncommon with ear or eye witnesses to want to be helpful, but being wrong.

None of this is fact, all my own speculation and opinion.

I was just thinking about the time of the shots heard by neighbors. Why are we just assuming that their information about time is correct?

 

[oviedo]

I am surprised there aren’t fingerprints anywhere, just sayin’.
(Probably wore gloves.)

Or he had time to clean up? He may have opened that glass door they took away and then kicked in the regular door IMO maybe prints there but nothing to compare to?

 

[Le Singe]

Quoting myself! ; )
One other thing....

I'm processing this revelation that the door was "kicked in". That is so Rambo. Something that is done during a rescue, or an arrest. It's a strong signature move. Really dwelling on this.

Amateur opinion and speculation

it sounds that way, but actually i think its rather common. My house was robbed several years ago and they told me it was how the majority of houses are broken into door kicked in.

 

[MissMalowe]

Bringing forward this (already posted in the last thread) article:

"If you spent time with members of the Closs family recently, or if you have ever had a misunderstanding with members of the Closs family, or know someone who has, please call the tipline."

BBM

Is it odd to ask those who have had "misunderstandings" with the Closs family to call the tipline? Does LE think this was the result of a misunderstanding with a person(s) the family knew? If so, how likely is it that the guilty party will come forward and share that information to cast suspicion on themselves? Very unlikely I would think.

Unless....is this possibly the result of a larger misunderstanding between several parties, but this poor family was targeted either due to opportunity, location, level of involvement or something else? I wonder what the possibilities, on a larger scale instead of just Closs family vs. Perp(s) could be?

*Edited to add link*
'A lot of yelling' in 911 call when Jayme Closs was abducted, police say

 

[kspoon45]

If the timing were to be believed, there is time there to clean up. The fact that the 911 call happened 20+ minutes later where a "lot of yelling" was observed, though, indicates, to me, at least, that it was still chaotic at that time - not a situation where there was a lot of control.

 

[Mercedes]

Respectfully, why do you believe "there aren't fingerprints anywhere"? Has that information been released? LE sure took a lot of stuff out of the house.

Perhaps I inartfully stated my point. You are right, there could be (and hopefully are) fingerprints. And I didn’t mean to state it as a fact, I was more wondering if there are any. Just surprised no sleuthers have mentioned that LE could have them, and they sure could be helpful.

 

[Bits777]

Just a random thought- what if JC's mom or dad had been gambling at the casino and won some decent amount of cash and somehow mentioned it to a work associate, family member, neighbor or someone and the perp came for that cash- idk this is not thought through here - because why would they take Jayme with them? Ohh there is just no motive that makes sense. Prayers for Jayme.

 

[klind55]

Maybe the person knocked first and then kicked in when someone refused to open the door. Would explain why the dad was dead in the doorway. He may have gone to the door, looked outside and refused to open the door.

Or dad crawled there trying to get away or "go after" Jayme as she was being dragged out and that is where he died.

 

[singlemom]

Fairly new here but wanted to post my theory. I think that someone targeted Jayme for nefarious purposes. The mom and dad were collateral damage and were killed fairly quickly. Jayme hid and the perp spent several minutes searching for her. She found her mom's phone (or it was Jayme's phone listed under her mom's name) and called 911. The perp discovered Jayme and forced her to leave. The shouting heard on the phone was Jayme being taken from the house. Don't know how the perp targeted Jayme but my (unfortunate) guess is that it is an adult male who likes young girls (perhaps saw her in dance competitions?). Jayme and the parents are total victims in this case and did nothing to bring this on themselves.

 

[MsBetsy]

This is such a baffling case. I think , or it seems, that the purpose was to abduct the child. But why not just break in quietly and take her. Or grab her on her way to school or something?

Why come in raging at the front door, shooting and kicking it in? That seems like someone who was suddenly angered, enraged, and impulsively attacks the home.

I don't get it....

Yes, usually child predators purposely avoid any confrontation with an adult or parent. To murder both parents in order to take the child is very unusual. To act in such an agressive way, kicking the door in and shooting both parents, seems more like rage or drug fueled behavior. Jmo

 

[Le Singe]

It is. It also makes me wonder if the timing of the gunshots was off.

It doesn’t make sense to kick a door in, go in firing, then hang around for any length of time. This all makes sense if the time of the gunshots is off, but not so much if that information is correct.

It’s weird.

i agree it make no sense. Does the fact that the moms phone was used for the call mean maybe the perp and jayme where gone before the call? idk nothing is making sense right now.

 

[cluciano63]

ARE OTHERs having tons of trouble posting...sorry for caps, this took me over five minutes

 

[klind55]

Just a random thought- what if JC's mom or dad had been gambling at the casino and won some decent amount of cash and somehow mentioned it to a work associate, family member, neighbor or someone and the perp came for that cash- idk this is not thought through here - because why would they take Jayme with them? Ohh there is just no motive that makes sense. Prayers for Jayme.

Good thought! If so, they will definitely be on the casino cameras.

 

[Stunned]

Quoting myself! ; )
One other thing....

I'm processing this revelation that the door was "kicked in". That is so Rambo. Something that is done during a rescue, or an arrest. It's a strong signature move. Really dwelling on this.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Wow! It really is!