AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #7

[Stunned]

Agree. This level of rage feels very personal.

It does! Wrong house?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Although I know there has been no evidence that either of the Closs's gambled, but what if one or the other had won a large jackpot recently and someone had seen them leave with the cash and followed them home. Just a WHAT IF thought I had. Jayme was taken because she could ID them or a vehicle??? I know it's a stretch, but what isn't at this point?

 

[MsBetsy]

The correct address is 1268, but Google Maps is wrong. To see the right house you have to use 1271.

I see. I wonder why.

 

[human]

From May 2018:
Caught on camera: Police seek 3 suspects after home invasion on Milwaukee’s north side

Milwaukee is a long way away. And there is always road construction on the highway to get to Barron from Milwaukee . That is I94

 

[nwmouse]

I just dont see rage. It seemed pretty methodial ..cold and calculated. imo.

He immediately took out his biggest threat and shortly afterward he took out the only threat left.

It doesnt take rage of any kind to do this.

All he needed was determination to exercise his plan and carry it out.

Jmo

A methodical, organized killer is super scary, and I agree with your observation.
MOO.

 

[Jax49]

I see. I wonder why.

Dang if I know but when I first looked it was correct. Even after other posters noted it was wrong, my display was correct. Today is the first time it is wrong for me. moo

 

[Gardener1850]

Would this be one he threads @Gardener1850 might have been helping with? I’ve been meaning to follow up on this.

Do you know the MP’s name? Tia.

WI - WI - Kaitlynn Hawkins, 16, Stoughton, 10 Oct 2018

 

[Cardinal47]

Although I know there has been no evidence that either of the Closs's gambled, but what if one or the other had won a large jackpot recently and someone had seen them leave with the cash and followed them home. Just a WHAT IF thought I had. Jayme was taken because she could ID them or a vehicle??? I know it's a stretch, but what isn't at this point?

I posted that thought up thread. Since the Casino was close to the plant and the house it's surely possible. Heck even a few hundred dollars seems a lot to some folks.
Some people like to go to casinos and some want nothing to do with them so I don't know.

 

[Wrenny]

The neighbor reported that LE told her that her clock was 8 minutes off. So it was 12:39.

She said her clock was 7 minutes off. That her clock showed 12:38 which meant it was actually 12:31.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Curious, where it says on the log 'advised of a possible suicide attempt' that looks as though it was made before PD or EMS arrived on scene? And then it changed to 'apparent suicide.' Perhaps that was when PD found the man unresponsive inside the doorway? Or was it before PD arrived? But I dont understand why the dispatcher first felt it was a suicide attempt. Makes me wonder what she heard in the background.
RECEIVED A 911 CALL FROM ______ AND COULD HEAR A LOT OF YELLING. CALLED NUMBER BACK AND WAS UNABLE TO LEAVE A VOICEMAIL. PHONE
PINGED TO THE ABOVE ADDRESS. ADVISED 317, 325, & 329.
VOICEMAIL INDICATES THE PHONE LISTS TO DENISE AT THAT ADDRESS. TRIED CALLING SEVERAL MORE TIMES AND DID NOT RECEIVE AN ANSWER.
ATTEMPTED TO CALL THE LAND LINE AT THE RESIDENCE BUT THE PHONE HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED.
1:03 329 ADVISED OF A POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPT. REQUESTED ASSISTANCE FROM BARRON PD. ADVISED 656.
1:03 PAGED 501 & 1ST RESPONDERS.
1:04 329 REQUESTED TO HAVE EMS STAGE. PAGED EMS FOR AN APPARENT SUICIDE.

No, it says 329 advised of a possible suicide attempt, and 329 requested to have ems staged.

329 is the badge number of the officer on the scene looking at a body in the doorway and thinking it might be a suicide.

 

[human]

From July 2018:
Family Of 5 Beaten In Brutal Overnight Home Invasion: Report

ETA:

3 Charged In Brutal Wauwatosa Home Invasion: Report

Wauawtosa is a long ways away

 

[Cardinal47]

Dang if I know but when I first looked it was correct. Even after other posters noted it was wrong, my display was correct. Today is the first time it is wrong for me. moo

It happened to me too. I had the right house and I googled the right address but the house popped up with a different address listed. The net...love it or hate it. lol

 

[nwmouse]

I understand that's what the Sherriff said. But after looking at the dispatch logs I believe her father was alive upon arrival, and died soon after. I think when they saw him initially they thought he tried to kill himself. It's my opinion. I have had a lot of people quote the same thing about him being dead at the door. The Sherriff can release as much or as little as he wants to be known, they never tell us the entire story right away. Again, IMOO.

I'm leaning towards him being dead on arrival by LE, per the sheriff's office.
MOO.

 

[nwmouse]

Although I know there has been no evidence that either of the Closs's gambled, but what if one or the other had won a large jackpot recently and someone had seen them leave with the cash and followed them home. Just a WHAT IF thought I had. Jayme was taken because she could ID them or a vehicle??? I know it's a stretch, but what isn't at this point?

If they'd won a large jackpot recently I'm pretty sure the media would have been made aware of it.
MOO.

 

[DexterMorgan]

ohhh yes. if you look at the barron county inmate roster you will see multiple people booked on possession of meth. others have also stated it's a huge problem in that area. there's also a disconcerting number of sex offenders in proportion to how small the area is.

Cases like this is where you lock up every petty user or dealer and get them to talk.

You suppose to run through their phones as well for any text or extra conversation.

But for some reason LE usually lets some slide as if they don't know anything. When they should apply mandatory pressure on all so that everyone turns against each other. Jmo

So even if they don't find Jayme. They may still solve other major cases like rape, robbery, fraud, drug sales or other abduction cases. Jmo

 

[Weeobanite]

I keep thinking the same thing about the reference to a possible suicide. I am wondering if ‘suicide’ or a threat to kill oneself was heard during the yelling in the background of the 911 call.

Or they could of heard Denise shouting ‘please don’t do it’ in reference to taking or hurting
Jayme ?! Or pleading for here own life.
This would sound like she ( if it was her ) was pleading with a suicidal person.
Maybe while she was baracaded inside the bathroom. ( if that info is correct )

 

[SharonNeedles]

It happened to me too. I had the right house and I googled the right address but the house popped up with a different address listed. The net...love it or hate it. lol

And that opens a whole new possibility... if the assailants were targeting an address they got the wrong house.

 

[Gardener1850]

Am I looking at the wrong house here?

That is the neighbors house. Google plots to the wrong house unless you put it in as a Hwy 8 address instead of 13 1/2 Ave address. We don't know why, but it's led to some posters considering a "wrong house" theory.

ETA: Sorry for repeat info-- I see others answered already. I swear you all are speed readers and speed typists. Lol. I'll never catch up.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Can someone help me, Im confused by the police report. They transmitted a man down before stating the door was kicked in. So do we know if police kicked in the door, or if it was already kicked in? And how did they know about the man down before the door? Was the dad found outside? The part about the man down answering the door is also confusing. If the suspect kicked in the door, it would be because no one was answering it, right? Sorry for all the ?? but I cant figure it out.

I can try.

One thing we have to keep in mind from the 911 call log is that different pieces of the earliest information came from three different officers on scene within two minutes. These are the three officers initially dispatched to the 911 hangup call.

The three officers dispatched are mentioned in the second entry of the call log.
(I am using this call log reference - 911 logs from night of homicide in Barron County, call made from Denise’s phone)

PINGED TO THE ABOVE ADDRESS. ADVISED 317, 325, & 329.


1:03 329 ADVISED OF A POSSIBLE SUICIDE ATTEMPT. REQUESTED ASSISTANCE FROM BARRON PD. ADVISED 656.

1:03 PAGED 501 & 1ST RESPONDERS.

1:04 329 REQUESTED TO HAVE EMS STAGE. PAGED EMS FOR AN APPARENT SUICIDE.

[118 – 10/15/2018 01:04:17] 325 ADVISED ONE MALE DOWN, MULTIPLE ROUNDS SPENT. REQUESTED THAT ADMIN BE NOTIFIED.

[115 – 10/15/2018 01:05:19] 317 REQUESTED ERT BE PAGED OUT. ADVISED THE DOOR HAS BEEN KICKED IN. ADVISED THAT THE MALE WHO IS DOWN HAD ANSWERED THE DOOR. UNKNOWN IF ANYONE IS MISSING.

SENT ERT PAGE.

Each officer was doing slightly different things and 329 seems to be the first in or the first to speak to 911 but didn't make any mention of a male down or door kicked in. The only way 329 could even ascertain a possible suicide attempt is if he could see the person or perhaps significant amounts of blood. But 329 doesn't mention specifics other than a working assumption of the situation. His requests from there to have EMS Stage out is typical protocol in such situations to make sure the scene is safe/secured for EMS to get to the patient. Officer 325 adds the detail of a male being down and indicates spent rounds. Clearly, he has to have seen both the body and the rounds.

The pertinent part to your questions comes stems from what 317 told the 911 dispatch. He first requests the Emergency Response Team. Then mentions the door has been kicked in. This leaves the open question of whether or not the door had already been kicked in when they got there or whether law enforcement forced that door. He advises that the male who is down answered the door. That could be taken to me that the male opened the door, however, that would contradict it being kicked in and what the Sheriff saying earlier and throughout the week that both the mother and father were already deceased when officers arrived on scene. So it is more likely 317's working assumption based on where Jayme's father's body was in relation to the door, its position i.e. which direction his head or feet were, etc. And finally, 317 advises that it is unknown if anyone is missing. It is unclear whether or not the 3 officers dispatched were made aware that the call came from Denise's phone (or more likely told the call trace comes back to a Denise Closs) but if they were they should have known that there should be a Denise somewhere in the house or nearby if she had fled but they had not yet gone through the house to clear it. It would be obvious that there was a child that lived in the house and they would have discovered that during the clearing operation. And the drone request a little later on was either because they thought the shooter may still be nearby or they were already aware a child was not accounted for.

What isn't clear is whether 329 had entered the house at the time of his initial advisement to the 911 dispatcher or was observing from outside before entering. Law enforcement doesn't just charge into an unknown situation because there could be an ambush or an armed person so I expect that the first officers would have attempted to get a visual of what was going on in the house before entering. One of them may have gone to the other door off the deck on the right-hand (east) side of the house or looked through any windows. Probably did so, more likely than not.

None of the officers per the 911 call log indicate the position of the male body only the interpretation that the "male had answered the door".

The Sheriff had previously said ...
(I am using a WEAU source because they have one page with all of their previous stories on it all as one page)
UPDATE: Sheriff: Missing girl was in home at the time of the murders

"Deputies arrived at that address a short time after the call ended to find no one around on the outside,” Sheriff Fitzgerald says as deputies approached the house, they saw the front door was open and there was a deceased male in that front door way. Officers later found a deceased female while searching the rest of the home.

The Sheriff is speaking about this later in the same day this happened. This could be only his interpretation at the time or he may have had a very good understanding of what officers had seen upon arrival from talking with them and debriefing them. But he is clearly saying the door was already open when officers arrived. This would seem to indicate that the door must have been kicked in prior to officers arriving. The 911 call log isn't out yet so we don't yet know of the door being kicked in though analysis of photos and screenshots/frame from media video indicate some damage to the door jamb and the boarding up of the lower part of the door area.

Today a reporter apparently spoke or e-mailed or chatted with the Sheriff regarding the the door.
Clarification: Chilling details revealed in dispatch record

In the story we are told ...

After more discussion with Fitzgerald on Saturday morning, Fitzgerald said he was not releasing any information about how the door got opened. He said when the deputies arrived at the house, James was found dead at the door. When asked whether a deputy had kicked in the door, Fitzgerald said he could not comment due to an active investigation.

And, just like that, the Sheriff muddied the waters. Reading the call log, it is entirely possible that any of the officers could have kicked in the door but whether they did or not is unknown. If they did, it calls into question previous statements made by the Sheriff. If they didn't then why not simply say so.

Don't know if this helped.

 

[pinkfly]

‘We want to bring Jayme home:’ Investigators release new pictures of missing 13-year-old girl

Scroll down (about 3 pics up from start of ads) to see both front and back of house.