AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[photographer4]

The full suitcase being carried out of the house is interesting. It looked full and somewhat heavy for that female to carry.

What suitcase? Where did you see this? I’d like to see it as well if possible pls.

 

[JBeezy]

I keep wondering about how the perp got away from the house with Jayme quickly but also apparently not seen/heard? if she was awake, do you think the neighbor would have heard a car accelerating rapidly down the road in either direction? Or not?

Isn't this weird? Like regardless of how you think the shooting went down Jayme and presumably the perp were definitely there when the 911 call was made and then gone four minutes later when the cops showed up.

Where the hell did they go? Just ripping out of the driveway and down towards Turtle Lake? If they turned off onto a small road before the casino I would think that points to someone local -- so many small rural roads go nowhere or double back that you wouldn't blindly turn down one if you were trying to escape.

Or did they leave another way? ATV maybe? There are snowmobols/ATV trails *all* over this area and new ones are not loud at all.

 

[Jax49]

What suitcase? Where did you see this? I’d like to see it as well if possible pls.

It is in the video linked in post 258.

 

[jalbitz]

I mentioned a video with other stuff being carried out. Found it. A tote and a suitcase... if anyone can make anything of those. 54-55 seconds in this video. Missing 13-year-old girl was home when parents were shot to death, authorities say

Everyone else carrying stuff out is wearing bright purple gloves. I don't see that on the one with the suitcase. Since it is a medical examiner carrying that out, perhaps it isn't evidence from the scene but it is her bag with whatever she needs for her job.

 

[kspoon45]

I've been wondering if the suitcase was evidence or was it LE equipment used for evidence collection?

From that video, looks like the suitcase had a pink tag/decoration on the front. It seems a little odd for police equipment to have a giant pink tag like that on the front, but I could be wrong. FWIW, both of those people had on black gloves whereas the guys carrying the door and the chair out of the house all had purple gloves - and we're certain the latter two were evidence.

 

[photographer4]

I keep wondering about how the perp got away from the house with Jayme quickly but also apparently not seen/heard? The neighbor who heard the shots has also said she got up and looked outside about a half hour later, that her dog was acting a bit funny but she didn't see anything unusual (Source: this article Dozens of volunteers help in foot search for missing Wisconsin 13-year-old)

Now the article says "about a half hour," so it could be more or less. One half hour after the shots heard exactly is 1:01 AM and police would already be on the scene. But if it was a couple minutes earlier, the perp could have been leaving at that time. I know the houses don't sit right on the road, but if she was awake, do you think the neighbor would have heard a car accelerating rapidly down the road in either direction? Or not? She didn't mention hearing a car or anything else unusual besides the gunshots.

I have two plausible theories on this:
Peep grabs Jayme and holds gun to her head to ensure she shuts up. He knows cops coming. So what does he do? He drags her outside under the front porch he knows it’s dark. Cops prob can’t see under the porch without specifically shining light there. But cops aren’t thinking anyone will be hiding there as they see the front door and dead man first so they focus on that. Cops enter residence and he flees with her before more cops arrive. We assume in a car. But what about if they ran? We have no idea what mode of transport they used to get away.

Theory two:
They exit and hide in the woods for some time then proceed out of area when possible. Maybe a back door exit? Into the woods? Into a car parked back there?

 

[ludakristen]

I understand.

I look at what is the most reasonable conclusion based on the facts we know at the time.

Most all cases aren't nearly as complex as some seem to think. It usually is as it appears to be.

In this case for me anyway it's pretty straight forward why the parents were immediately eliminated.

Imo the killer/kidnapper knew they were the two threats standing in his way for whom he came to kidnap.

Everything fits for me to think this is what happened and why.

I agree with you. I think it’s possible the parents were just barriers to Jayme. Also possible this perp mistakenly believed he was saving Jayme from her parents, if he had become fixated on her and justified this horror in his mind the way criminals tend to do.

 

[JaneEyre]

It's in this video Wrenny linked.

My guess is that suitcase is full of LE equipment.

 

[Steelslady]

Additionally from the above link:

“Lastly, we want to send our heartfelt thanks to the citizens of Barron County for the outpouring of support and gratitude for those investigators working so hard to bring Jayme home. It’s been brought to my attention that we have received thank you cards from the community. I’ve directed those cards to be placed in the area that investigators pass through to grab food and pop when they have a few minutes in between covering leads, interviews, and analysis of an incredible amount of information. This way, I can ensure that those investigators working around the clock are sure to see them.“

I really like this Sheriff. I believe he really cares about finding Jayme and takes care of those who work for him, too. Very nice touch, letting his investigators see those thank you notes- something positive like that- no matter how small, lifts them up during times when frustration and worry set in. What a great community to do something thoughtful like this!

 

[photographer4]

From that video, looks like the suitcase had a pink tag/decoration on the front. It seems a little odd for police equipment to have a giant pink tag like that on the front, but I could be wrong. FWIW, both of those people had on black gloves whereas the guys carrying the door and the chair out of the house all had purple gloves - and we're certain the latter two were evidence.

Sometimes glove color relates to size. To make them easier to grab quickly

 

[ludakristen]

I have two plausible theories on this:
Peep grabs Jayme and holds gun to her head to ensure she shuts up. He knows cops coming. So what does he do? He drags her outside under the front porch he knows it’s dark. Cops prob can’t see under the porch without specifically shining light there. But cops aren’t thinking anyone will be hiding there as they see the front door and dead man first so they focus on that. Cops enter residence and he flees with her before more cops arrive. We assume in a car. But what about if they ran? We have no idea what mode of transport they used to get away.

Theory two:
They exit and hide in the woods for some time then proceed out of area when possible. Maybe a back door exit? Into the woods? Into a car parked back there?

I don’t think it’s anything more complex than leaving in a vehicle. Cops probably aren’t focused on finding a car as they approach the house. By the time officers arrived and cleared the scene and realized Jayme was missing, I bet they had a good 15-30 minute head start.

Remember too they lived on a highly trafficked highway. Officers probably drove by many vehicles en route to the house.

 

[white rabbit]

I mentioned a video with other stuff being carried out. Found it. A tote and a suitcase... if anyone can make anything of those. 54-55 seconds in this video. Missing 13-year-old girl was home when parents were shot to death, authorities say

ok wow. that definitely does not look like a medical bag, that's a packed suitcase.

was someone coming home from or planning a trip???

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Isn't this weird? Like regardless of yhow you think the shooting went down Jayme and presumably the perp were definitely there when the 911 call was made and then gone four minutes later when the cops showed up.

Where the hell did they go? Just ripping out of the driveway and down towards Turtle Lake? If they turned off onto a small road before the casino I would think that points to someone local -- so many small rural roads go nowhere or double back that you wouldn't blindly turn down one if you were trying to escape.

Or did they leave another way? ATV maybe? There are snowmobols/ATV trails *all* over this area and new ones are not loud at all.

There is a lot of rural hiding places closeby imo. I dont think he parked in the driveway but not too far away.

He may have had Jayme bound with duct tape over her mouth when they walked out. He would have his gun in her side most likely telling her if she didn't comply he would shoot her too.

He may have known which direction the police would be coming from.

I think Marc Klass has said for every minute the kidnapper travels they will be miles away even if the police arrives in a few minutes.

 

[JaneEyre]

Sometimes glove color relates to size. To make them easier to grab quickly

I think you meant tag color, and I agree.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I've been wondering if the suitcase was evidence or was it LE equipment used for evidence collection?

Clearly the person carrying the suitcase was wearing a vest emblazoned on the back that said Medical Examiner. I am inclined to think it is something the Medical Examiner team brought to the scene with them.

 

[mickey2942]

Similar cases, with same type of profile. Parents killed, teen daughter kidnapped.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wsoc...of-killing-parents-kidnapping-niece/594205963
More than 12 people kept silent after couple killed, teen girls kidnapped in 1999, prosecutors say
Man killed his friend's wife and son before kidnapping their teenage daughter

Just pulled a few similar cases.

1. Police should look at neighbors.
2. Sex offenders in area, as previously mentioned.
3. Family members? Possible.
4. Some sort of revenge situation.

 

[JBeezy]

I don’t think it’s anything more complex than leaving in a vehicle. Cops probably aren’t focused on finding a car as they approach the house. By the time officers arrived and cleared the scene and realized Jayme was missing, I bet they had a good 15-30 minute head start.

Remember too they lived on a highly trafficked highway. Officers probably drove by many vehicles en route to the house.

I've never been to Barron but I'm from the general area . You have to remember that what is considered a "highway" up there is not at all what you're thinking.

At 1am on a random cold weekday night? You may not see another car very often at all.

This area is lightly populated in a way that's hard for people from other areas to comprehend.

 

[kirkassoc]

I can't recall how many times I have read that missing people are located within 5 miles or so (usually MUCH closer) to their home or the last place they were seen. I still have not seen where they have done a grid search or arm to arm search in the woods behind their house. Perp/s could have taken off back that way and quickly disappeared to a vehicle parked back there. JMO, MOO. Just wish they would thoroughly search those woods.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

ok wow. that definitely does not look like a medical bag, that's a packed suitcase.

was someone coming home from or planning a trip???

Anything that may have blood spatter on it would be taken. They may think it has bloody fingerprints on it if he pushed it out if the way if Jayme was throwing things trying to protect herself.

I dont think anyone was planning a trip. Any and all items are taken If they think it may have evidence on it.

They have already said Jayme is not a runaway.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Looking at everything again this morning with a strong cup of coffee and fresh eyes, two things stick out that I’ve got to know more about. The first:

I think maybe I was too quick to discount that this could be drug related, actually I think I tend to believe it’s never drug related unless it very obviously is. I don’t think I really grasped how bad the meth problem is in this area, now I’m starting to see how dangerous and violent it really is up there. As some of the more astute WSers have noted, no matter what theory we consider something just doesn’t fit. We’re trying to theorize how a murderer or abductor is supposed to act based on what we know from previous cases. Throw in a perp that’s been up for four days straight hopped up on meth and all bets are off.