AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[daisy6441]

Scanners are still common in rural communities.

My grandma has a scanner but why would two teenage girls be listen to the scanner at 2 am?

 

[Inthedetails]

Good question. LE notified the family much later, so that couldn't be it. My guess is that they were out driving and passed by and became curious because it was a home with people they knew.

I agree. Or, maybe they were out that night (or at home) and someone local said to them something like "There are a bunch of cop cars at James and Denise's place. What is going on?" and then they went in person to check it out.

speculation only, jmo, wish we knew more

 

[oceanblueeyes]

for whatever reason, I am unable to Bold the text I need.

Did I miss somewhere that LE released where the victims were shot on their bodies? I assumed it was torso with a shotgun.

He has never said the specific part of the body. I think they were head shots but that is jmo.

He broke the front door open imo and then stepped in right at the doorway and most likely shot James in the head instantly killing him. Imo

I have no clue where it even came from that a shotgun was used. I dont think it was a shotgun but a high caliber weapon like a handgun that can shoot multiple bullets without reloading.

Maybe someone else can verify it for you.

 

[CuriousMaine]

Perhaps something on the 911 call lead the dispatcher to think it may be a suicide?

for whatever reason, I am unable to Bold the text I need.

Did I miss somewhere that LE released where the victims were shot on their bodies? I assumed it was torso with a shotgun.

BBM: I've not seen any reports that would lead me to assume either of those things.

 

[Marli61]

In the Groene case the perp who killed everyone except the two little kids he kidnapped (Shasta and Dylan), he was a ruthless serial killer and enjoyed brutality.

In the case of an Ohio 13 year old girl who went missing, along with her mom, brother, dog and family friend, the deranged perp killed her mom, brother, family friend and dog, dismembered them and hid their bodies in a hollowed out tree. E kept her chained in his basement on a bed of leaves.

He claimed it was a burglary gone wrong but I think it's clear he had been fantasizing about murdering people and likely wanted to take the girl.

Why kill everyone? Well they probably think it helps them avoid detection.

But for some monsters it's part of the "fun."

Great to see you here gitana1! I was hoping to see you post! Another poster here referenced the Hargon family murders... Michael, Rebecca & their son James Patrick. I haven't read about the Groene case yet, but the Hargon case sounds a lot like this case. I am somewhat entertaining the same idea on this case;
possibly disgruntled family member. Unfortunately if there are no extended family members "missing" that would IMO leave the alternative that Jayme is not alive.

 

[kas]

I've never been to Barron but I'm from the general area . You have to remember that what is considered a "highway" up there is not at all what you're thinking.

At 1am on a random cold weekday night? You may not see another car very often at all.

This area is lightly populated in a way that's hard for people from other areas to comprehend.

I lived up there and have been on Highway 8 more times than I can count, due to the casino there is always cars driving in both directions all hours of the night. Not heavy traffic but usually I would say I would see at least 10 cars either going to or coming from the direction of the casino and Barron. (In 15 to 20 minutes) Hwy 8 crosses with US hwy 53 which is definitely a more used hwy for the northern part of western WI. 53 will get you all the way from Superior, WI to Eau Claire, WI. Once in Eau Claire it exits to I-94 which brings you either towards the Twin Cities in MN or to southern Wisconsin where it merges with I-90 to bring you to Madison, WI or Chicago, IL. Sorry if I started to ramble.

 

[photographer4]

There was something in the log about dog being taken to a relative's house, IIRC.

Right. That’s my point. It doesn’t seem the dog was taken for examination. What was the dog’s demeanour on being taken to relatives? If the dog wasn’t examined or cleaned up before going to a relatives - which happened pretty quickly per the transcript — then we can assume:
The dog wasn’t bloody or spattered. It didn’t have / leave bloody footprints anywhere in the house? So it wasn’t likely where the shootings happened (another room? Crate?) probably had no interaction with killer(s).

 

[margarita25]

Jayme Closs Update: Missing girl’s dad was alive and answered door before falling down, dying [Police] via Nancy Grace's CrimeOnline

This profile varies slightly from the one mentioned.

From the above link:

“Investigators are also asking people to observe family members, friends, or people they know in the community for any behavior that seems out of the norm, including:

Missing work for no apparent reason
Missing scheduled appointments
Leaving town without a reasonable explanation
Increase in drug and/or alcohol use
Altering their appearance
Paying “too much or too little” attention to the case, such as quickly shutting the news off when it reports on Jayme and her parents
Selling and/or getting rid of a vehicle”

 

[Mom24]

I agree. Or, maybe they were out that night (or at home) and someone local said to them something like "There are a bunch of cop cars at James and Denise's place. What is going on?" and then they went in person to check it out.

speculation only, jmo, wish we knew more

It's a small town. For all we know one of their parents is LE. 3 units were dispatched and more were called in as they arrived on the scene. In a small town everyone knows within minutes.

 

[thesnowflakesparkles]

Back to basics:

DJC- Mother to JC, wife to JamesC, worked at Jenni-O turkey plant in Barron WI, previously married w/no children from first marriage. 46 years old. Deceased-gun shot. Facebook- Denise Closs
James C- Father to JC, worked at Jenni-O turkey plant in Barron WI, previously married w/no children from first marriage. 56 years old. Deceased-gun shot. Facebook- James Closs
JC- 13 years old, missing. 5ft, 100lbs, green eyes, strawberry to dark blond mid-length curly hair. Attends Riverview Middle school. Active in dance and sports. Owns a dog (what breed?). Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008476363462

Timeline:
10/14:
JC and DJC attend family birthday party for cousin of JC. JamesC does not attend. JC is noted as behaving normally and quiet as usual.

10/15:
12:30am neighbor reports hearing shots fired in rapid succession.
12:56am Barron county sheriff dept dispatch rec's 911 call from DJC's phone. Yelling is heard in the background and call is disconnected. Several attempts to call back, no answer. Call is made to landline, landline has been disconnected. LE dispatched to the home.
1:00am LE arrives and is considering a possible suicide.
1:05 LE enters home, JamesC found dead at entrance, door kicked in. Appeared JamesC had answered door.
1:11am DJC found unresponsive in house.
1:32am advised that no gun was found at the house. Request for drone.
2:08am two teen girls asked to leave the area (repeatedly driving by).
3:05am call changed from suicide to homicide
3:57am JC entered as missing juvenile
4:02am notified Eau Claire FBI and requested assistance
4:32am contacted security at casino
(http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf)

Notes:
Dog was found uninjured.
Chair and storm door taken from residence by LE.
DJC reportedly barricaded in bathroom
DJC and JamesC had been employees at JenniO for 27 years. Barron residents in disbelief as search continues for missing 13-year-old Jayme Closs
JC runs cross country. Barron residents in disbelief as search continues for missing 13-year-old Jayme Closs

Let me know if I've missed anything and if anything is incorrect.

This is great! Thank you! One detail, they were dispatched at 12:56:01 but the 911 call started at 12:53:26

 

[kkdj]

Good question. LE notified the family much later, so that couldn't be it. My guess is that they were out driving and passed by and became curious because it was a home with people they knew.

I think LE had spoken with the neighbors who heard the gunshots and they called some people and word spread quickly.

 

[Trino]

I thought that might be the case too, but you'd like LE would be scouring the land immediately around the house over and over if they thought she fled on foot.

I can't figure out why they say they don't think she was abducted, IIRC, but yet say they are hopeful she is alive. She is also not a runaway. What are the alternatives other than abduction, runaway, or deceased?

jmo, speculation only

She could have run voluntarily from the house in which case I doubt she would have been dressed for the weather. Maybe that's why LE did a 14 mile search with volunteers. I wonder about the search - how far behind the house it extended. Checking the house site map, behind it is a rr, a stream, then plowed fields - a lot of unoccupied space.

 

[JaneEyre]

My grandma has a scanner but why would two teenage girls be listen to the scanner at 2 am?

I’m not sure they were both teenagers. But honestly, why would anyone listen to a scanner at that hour? Boredom and nosiness I guess.

 

[Mom24]

Right. That’s my point. It doesn’t seem the dog was taken for examination. What was the dog’s demeanour on being taken to relatives? If the dog wasn’t examined or cleaned up before going to a relatives - which happened pretty quickly per the transcript — then we can assume:
The dog wasn’t bloody or spattered. It didn’t have / leave bloody footprints anywhere in the house? So it wasn’t likely where the shootings happened (another room? Crate?) probably had no interaction with killer(s).

The dog wasn't taken away and released to a relative until almost 12 hours later. My guess would be that the dog was carefully looked at. ( 10/15 12:35 pm dog was left with family at residence on 17th street - per call log)

 

[perfectingpink]

My grandma has a scanner but why would two teenage girls be listen to the scanner at 2 am?

Is there a FB Scanner page for that area? Someone may have posted what they were hearing and the girls decided to go look.

 

[TexLil]

Just saw an electronic billboard in Dallas advising on this case. It looks like they are going national to find her which is good and also scary. Please let her be found safe today.

 

[Inthedetails]

Is there a FB Scanner page for that area? Someone may have posted what they were hearing and the girls decided to go look.

Or someone else local was listening and messaged, texted, or called the family members. That's my hunch anyway.

jmo

 

[Cardinal47]

I think that casino will play a role in all of this. MOO

 

[AuctionGal]

I’m not sure they were both teenagers. But honestly, why would anyone listen to a scanner at that hour? Boredom and nosiness I guess.

There was a scanner at my grandmother's house. They left it on 24/7 and it was turned up loud so they could here it when not in the same room. Possibly could be the case here.

 

[Medstudies]

If police thought he could be revived (tried CPR) would the transcript show that? If they didn’t attempt it, why didn’t they? It was unclear how long parents had been dead for... to me they hadn’t just expired and were clearly gone past the point of CPR being a possible tactic to try.

That I do not know, and I’m not sure which organs sustained trauma, how much blood was lost, etc. In some cases CPR (in the absence of rapid blood transfusion) just makes the situation worse. The more the heart is compressed, the more any remaining blood spills out from the vessels into spaces where it can’t be used. CPR often worsens things. - again, this is all depending on the specific trauma wounds.