AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[cluciano63]

Rewards do not USUALLY help, imo...just increase work for LE. No one with real info is innocent, imo. And others won’t know where she is. There is lots of media so she is getting lots of attention. JMO

 

[crhedBngr]

FWIW, the same two inmates who were booked into the Barron County Jail on 10/17 with no charge listed are still incarcerated. Initials are MAC and DJP.

 

[Bluebythec]

I forgot to mention the reason I said Jayme was drinking a cold soda was they said the cell phone plus evidence led them to know tha Jayme was there the whole time. I'm thinking the soda was in her room still cold.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Perhaps something on the 911 call lead the dispatcher to think it may be a suicide?


BBM: I've not seen any reports that would lead me to assume either of those things.

The first mention of a possible suicide was from the first officer at the scene who saw the father’s body. This was an initial impression only. The officer at that point would have only known that he was responding to an open line 911 call and possible domestic disturbance. Upon seeing a body with an apparent gunshot wound and nobody else around he described it as a possible suicide attempt in his communications to dispatch.

To be clear - nobody thought this was a possible suicide before the officers arrived, and obviously nobody thought it was a possible suicide as the crime scene unfolded.

 

[crhedBngr]

I forgot to mention the reason I said Jayme was drinking a cold soda was they said the cell phone plus evidence led them to know tha Jayme was there the whole time. I'm thinking the soda was in her room still cold.

Link, please? I don't recall reading this anywhere.

 

[Inthedetails]

Okay, this is another thought:

The objective was to abduct and keep Jayme and also kill the parents because the parents would be able to figure out who abducted their daughter. In other words, the abductor was known to the parents. So, in order to not get caught, the parents had to be killed (as opposed to killed simply because they were home at the time).

justanothertheorytoconsider, jmo, speculation

 

[thesnowflakesparkles]

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The community is on edge and in shock. I have lived in major cities and moved to this area about five years ago. While this would not have been out of character for some of those places, it is absolutely unheard of here. A lot of the speculation has no basis in fact and is fear motivated.

That being said, I have heard meth involvement (by the perpetrator, not the Closs family), random, sex offender, online predator, etc. Basically every theory seen here. They family was well liked as I noted before which is why this is so strange. They were the average, everyday household in these parts.

<modsnip - not victim friendly> even before the Sheriff stated she is innocent, the locals I had spoken with described her the same way-shy, introverted, incapable of something so horrific. I am 100% convinced she is the unfortunate victim and I am frustrated she hasn't been found yet.

Sorry if this isn't very helpful, I don't really have any new theories and I haven't even made up my mind what I think happened yet. I love hearing all of your theories, though!

 

[SandyQLS]

I think that casino will play a role in all of this. MOO

Most casino games are against the house. But there are poker games against other players that are set aside in a raised floor area inside a corral. Those games seem to be subject to extra intensive security measures. Could James have been playing and another player became enraged about even a smallish loss, followed him home like in a road rage incident?

Do they allow card rooms in WI that are not the actual casino? Those places seem to be magnets for crime.

Sports bars? I can remember reading in the news (not in WI) about two surprise shootings at nice sports bars over trivial matters. Did James like to go watch the games somewhere?

 

[margarita25]

I think that casino will play a role in all of this. MOO

Night there be any jurisdictional aspects considering this is a Native American casino—-iirc from Savannah’s case there are independent organizations, etc (sorry not explaining myself well).

 

[Lizzack1]

I’m not sure they were both teenagers. But honestly, why would anyone listen to a scanner at that hour? Boredom and nosiness I guess.

My online dating profile literally says “you know how when you’re 31, single, live alone, and are listening to the police scanner at night...”

 

[margarita25]

The community is on edge and in shock. I have lived in major cities and moved to this area about five years ago. While this would not have been out of character for some of those places, it is absolutely unheard of here. A lot of the speculation has no basis in fact and is fear motivated.

That being said, I have heard meth involvement (by the perpetrator, not the Closs family), random, sex offender, online predator, etc. Basically every theory seen here. They family was well liked as I noted before which is why this is so strange. They were the average, everyday household in these parts.

<modsnip - not victim friendly> even before the Sheriff stated she is innocent, the locals I had spoken with described her the same way-shy, introverted, incapable of something so horrific. I am 100% convinced she is the unfortunate victim and I am frustrated she hasn't been found yet.

Sorry if this isn't very helpful, I don't really have any new theories and I haven't even made up my mind what I think happened yet. I love hearing all of your theories, though!

Hi the snowflakesparkles,

Gosh do I know hst horrible feeling about a community being an edge, I have experienced that in a horrific local abduction and murder case. The feelings of fear, etc are indescribable and my heart really goes out to all of you. Just know that LE is doing their absolute best and has amazing resources at hand. Thank you for being with us and for helping with a map, etc.

 

[Marli61]

I forgot to mention the reason I said Jayme was drinking a cold soda was they said the cell phone plus evidence led them to know tha Jayme was there the whole time. I'm thinking the soda was in her room still cold.

Respectfully, do you have a link for this or is this your own speculation? If it's the latter I highly doubt a 13 yr old girl would be up at that time of night drinking a soda. JMO

 

[msmamanana]

I think it would be interesting/helpful to have a list of these similar crimes and note who the perps were:

How old were they? How far did they live from the home? Did they have a criminal history? What was their motive(s)? Were they known to the family? Did they have previous contact with the family? Was this single, dual or multiple perps? Did the perp use drugs? Were the victims kept alive and if so for how long? What MO/disposal method did they use? Etc, etc.

I started with Hannah Anderson’s case last night. Perp was 40, known to the family well, had contact with them the day before, lived an hour away. I’m not sure about criminal history as I just begun a cursory study.

I would like to take 10 comparable cases for this data comparison/study. Please feel free to contribute to this any input. Thanks in advance.

Earnest Hargon was in was in his 40s when he drove 100 miles in a corvette to his cousin's house. Earnest was adopted so not blood related. He killed Michael Hargon at his front door. Shot his wife Rebecca. He put Michael's body in the corvette seats, sitting on his feet. Piled injured Rebecca and their 4 year old son on top of Michael, drove 100 miles and buried them. Rebecca was strangled. The child strangled with a strap. He would never have been caught except he told his wife what he did over Valentine's dinner at a restaurant. She turned him in 2 weeks later. Motive: revenge for being cut out of a will. Earnest was a truck driver, addicted to methamphetamine. His wife was a veterinarian.

Note that there was no planning. He took a corvette. Yet had he not told his wife, he probably would have gotten away with this crime. House was left empty with blood everywhere. He threw the gun out his car window somewhere on that 100 mile drive. This is what I think they had volunteers looking for in Jayme's case.

 

[EJB123456]

I've been turning this over in my head trying to come up with a scenario that fits what little verified info we have. Someone is fixated on Jayme and has been observing long enough to know that there ware 2 cars in the family and who drives which one. He sees that the Dad's car is missing and assumes the Mom and Jayme are home alone. He brings a gun for intimidation only and has no real intention of using it. It's been said that many don't lock their doors in rural areas so he's able to walk in unimpeded and locks the door behind him. Jayme is in her room. Maybe she's drinking a cold soda. Mom is in the living room watching tv/reading with her cell phone on a table. Perp walks in and points the gun at Mom and says just cooperate and you won't get hurt. Jayme hears the commotion and comes out. He forces them in to the bathroom and secures mom to a chair. While he's doing this the Dad pulls up in the driveway and goes to the front door but it's locked. Mom and Jayme start yelling to him and he kicks in the door. Now the perp, who I think is young, starts to panic and immediately shoots the Dad. The impact of the shot spins him around so it later appears that he was *inside* the door when shot. Mom and Jayme start screaming and he turns his attention to the Mom. Jayme is able to grab her mom's cell phone and dials 911. Mom is screaming at the perp, who has the gun pointed at her "You don't have to do this." Jayme is screaming "we need help." The perps sees Jayme with the phone and knocks it out of her hand and proceeds to shoot the Mom. What was heard on the phone by 911 was "you don't have to do this" followed by "we need help" causing them to think someone was attempting suicide. The perp grabs Jayme and drags her through the woods to a car which he had parked there earlier. He forces her in the trunk and drives to a remote cabin he'd prepared beforehand.

That's the best I can come up with using known facts. I'd be interested in exploring this with all of you.

I wish we knew more about the timeline. I have similarly aged children and there is basically zero chance they’d be awake at midnight or 12:30am on a school night. And we’ve had the doorbell ring, I’ve screamed at sporting events on TV, a locked interior door has been kicked open and nothing will wake them up.

ETA: That’s not to say an extended situation would not eventually wake her up. I’m just thinking out loud. If all of this happened close to midnight - she’d be in pajamas with no shoes and have to get out of bed from a deep sleep. Certainly not hanging out drinking pop in her room.

 

[Cardinal47]

I managed to circle the camera on the building corner next to the front entrance at St. Croix Casino.

Here's the photo. You will see the camera circled in pink.

BTW: Please don't mind the sheep on the bottom of the photo They are my screen pets.

Did dad work or frequent the casino? Cameras everywhere in there.

I've been turning this over in my head trying to come up with a scenario that fits what little verified info we have. Someone is fixated on Jayme and has been observing long enough to know that there ware 2 cars in the family and who drives which one. He sees that the Dad's car is missing and assumes the Mom and Jayme are home alone. He brings a gun for intimidation only and has no real intention of using it. It's been said that many don't lock their doors in rural areas so he's able to walk in unimpeded and locks the door behind him. Jayme is in her room. Maybe she's drinking a cold soda. Mom is in the living room watching tv/reading with her cell phone on a table. Perp walks in and points the gun at Mom and says just cooperate and you won't get hurt. Jayme hears the commotion and comes out. He forces them in to the bathroom and secures mom to a chair. While he's doing this the Dad pulls up in the driveway and goes to the front door but it's locked. Mom and Jayme start yelling to him and he kicks in the door. Now the perp, who I think is young, starts to panic and immediately shoots the Dad. The impact of the shot spins him around so it later appears that he was *inside* the door when shot. Mom and Jayme start screaming and he turns his attention to the Mom. Jayme is able to grab her mom's cell phone and dials 911. Mom is screaming at the perp, who has the gun pointed at her "You don't have to do this." Jayme is screaming "we need help." The perps sees Jayme with the phone and knocks it out of her hand and proceeds to shoot the Mom. What was heard on the phone by 911 was "you don't have to do this" followed by "we need help" causing them to think someone was attempting suicide. The perp grabs Jayme and drags her through the woods to a car which he had parked there earlier. He forces her in the trunk and drives to a remote cabin he'd prepared beforehand.

That's the best I can come up with using known facts. I'd be interested in exploring this with all of you.

I have thought dad might have been coming in rather than inside answering the door!

 

[margarita25]

Earnest Hargon was in was in his 40s when he drove 100 miles in a corvette to his cousin's house. Earnest was adopted so not blood related. He killed Michael Hargon at his front door. Shot his wife Rebecca. He put Michael's body in the corvette seats, sitting on his feet. Piled injured Rebecca and their 4 year old son on top of Michael, drive 100 miles and buried them. Rebecca was strangled. The child strangled with a strap. He would never have been caught except he told his wife what he did over Valentine's dinner at a restaurant. She turned him in 2 weeks later. Motive: revenge for being cut out of a will. Earnest was a truck driver addicted to methamphetamine. His wife was a veterinarian.

Note that there was no planning. He took a corvette. Yet had he not told his wife, he probably would have gotten away with this crime. House was left empty with blood everywhere. He threw the gun out his car window somewhere in that 100 mile drive.

Thank you for your input.

Would this be classified more under Family Annhilator?

 

[SharonNeedles]

I think that casino will play a role in all of this. MOO

Do you realize what a tightly regulated business a casino is? Every employee goes through an extensive background investigation to get a gaming license and any subsequent criminal activity can get that license immediately revoked. If I get pulled over for a DUI tonight I’ll lose my license before I go to work tomorrow - even before a guilty verdict. Not to mention the fact that I’m on camera from the minute I arrive on property until I leave. If I pick my nose it’s on camera.

 

[Inthedetails]

I forgot to mention the reason I said Jayme was drinking a cold soda was they said the cell phone plus evidence led them to know tha Jayme was there the whole time. I'm thinking the soda was in her room still cold.

You were clear, imo, that you were suggesting a theory.

jmo

 

[SJ16321]

I've been turning this over in my head trying to come up with a scenario that fits what little verified info we have. Someone is fixated on Jayme and has been observing long enough to know that there ware 2 cars in the family and who drives which one. He sees that the Dad's car is missing and assumes the Mom and Jayme are home alone. He brings a gun for intimidation only and has no real intention of using it. It's been said that many don't lock their doors in rural areas so he's able to walk in unimpeded and locks the door behind him. Jayme is in her room. Maybe she's drinking a cold soda. Mom is in the living room watching tv/reading with her cell phone on a table. Perp walks in and points the gun at Mom and says just cooperate and you won't get hurt. Jayme hears the commotion and comes out. He forces them in to the bathroom and secures mom to a chair. While he's doing this the Dad pulls up in the driveway and goes to the front door but it's locked. Mom and Jayme start yelling to him and he kicks in the door. Now the perp, who I think is young, starts to panic and immediately shoots the Dad. The impact of the shot spins him around so it later appears that he was *inside* the door when shot. Mom and Jayme start screaming and he turns his attention to the Mom. Jayme is able to grab her mom's cell phone and dials 911. Mom is screaming at the perp, who has the gun pointed at her "You don't have to do this." Jayme is screaming "we need help." The perps sees Jayme with the phone and knocks it out of her hand and proceeds to shoot the Mom. What was heard on the phone by 911 was "you don't have to do this" followed by "we need help" causing them to think someone was attempting suicide. The perp grabs Jayme and drags her through the woods to a car which he had parked there earlier. He forces her in the trunk and drives to a remote cabin he'd prepared beforehand.

That's the best I can come up with using known facts. I'd be interested in exploring this with all of you.

I think it's something similar although I wouldn't say we can guess down to such small details with the limited evidence we have. I'd never rule anything out until the evidence does but I'm convinced the perp went there for Jayme. None of the other theories make sense with them taking her.

The perp must know her fairly well or seen her around a lot and be absolutely obsessed with her. If this is just your standard paedophile then I'm sure there's plenty of other little 13 year old girls to grab in the local area who wouldn't require the effort this did. You'd also expect the majority of paedophiles to wait and seize an opportunity, rather than brazenly grab her from her own home.

I think the perp went there to get Jayme and the homicides happened because A) the perp panicked as you've mentioned in your post or B) he was so obsessed with Jayme that nothing was going to stop him taking her.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I wonder if police have been called to the residence before for something similar? Maybe that’s why the reference was made?

No clues, no sightings in search for Jayme Closs

There had been no previous calls to the house where the bodies were found, according to the sheriff.