AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #16

[daisy6441]

Strange there would be two cars possibly involved. This would mean two drivers.

Other different ideas, could Jayme have had access to a weapon and shot and wounded the perp(s) and took off in one of those vehicles herself? She's young, but she might have been able to get into a car and drive off somewhere.

Have any cars matching the vehicle descriptions been reported missing or stolen?

Presuming she even knows how to drive.

 

[Wish I Knew]

I am usually an optomist...

But I am losing all hope in this case.

 

[WiseOwl]

it was from the Wednesday afternoon press conference by the sheriff (wednesday the 17th iirc).

Thanks for this! Just watched the conference from the 17 October (on YouTube) and the Sheriff confirmed that he believed Jayme was at the house on the night in question. He couldn't confirm however if the word 'help' was said in the phone call.

 

[Molly_L]

Assuming someone was able to speak the word "help" on the 911 call... if they knew who the assailant(s) is don't you think they would have made sure they got that info out somehow? I know we have no idea how the word help came out. Maybe it was the last words before someone was murdered, but it sort of leads me to believe they didn't know their attacker(s).

 

[Jaded_musician]

Presuming she even knows how to drive.

But why two cars. Let's assume that somehow they are both involved. Two different vehicles could be the strangest part of this and means this was a coordinated attack from more than one individual. If so, it's harder for multiple people to leave no clues or not slip up somwhere.

 

[Steelslady]

I spent over 2 hours this morning looking at recent home invasion cases that involved kidnapping. In every case I looked at, the person kidnapped was driven to an ATM and then released. In other words, there was a clear purpose behind the kidnapping.

If this was a random home invasion, it's the strangest home invasion I've ever seen. Nothing taken, that we know of...other than a 13 year old girl.

Great post! However, what evidence do we even have that she was indeed, taken? I know that they were looking for her in the woods- sheriff was hoping if she was in there or around her home, that she was hiding until she felt safe enough to come out, but she never did. So, we can assume that she was taken.

LE hasn't stated of any evidence of drag marks, articles of clothing being dropped, any evidence at all, that she was dragged out of the house. No one, especially the neighbors close by, heard her screaming. It's like she vanished into thin air. Nothing was found, to our knowledge, behind her home to indicate that she went through the woods and to another road where a vehicle was waiting, if she had been abducted.

The sheriff never completely commits to saying she was kidnapped or abducted, but remains convinced that she is out there, alive somewhere.

I've wondered if it if possible that she has contacted someone in her family or a friend? What gives them the indication that she is alive and will be found and brought home to her family?

These things keep swirling around in my mind. Perhaps I am way off base and it was an awful home invasion and they took Jayme because she was their target. It happened in the Groene and Short cases, and that could very well be what has happened here. Yet, thinking of the wording of the sheriff gives me pause......

 

[daisy6441]

But why two cars. Let's assume that somehow they are both involved. Two different vehicles could be the strangest part of this and means this was a coordinated attack from more than one individual. If so, it's harder for multiple people to leave no clues or not slip up somwhere.

They just said they were looking for them not that they were involved. Likely they were seen on security footage from the casino around the time of the incident.

 

[debirlfan]

Ah thanks for clearing that up! Begs the question though, if they listed Jayme missing at 3.57 why didn't they leave the 'other house' until 4.50?

Could it have been someone who was at the party, giving police info about Denise/Jayme's day?

 

[Le Singe]

Assuming someone was able to speak the word "help" on the 911 call... if they knew who the assailant(s) is don't you think they would have made sure they got that info out somehow? I know we have no idea how the word help came out. Maybe it was the last words before someone was murdered, but it sort of leads me to believe they didn't know their attacker(s).

It's been characterized by LE as not something spoken into the phone, but that there was lots of yelling and lots of noise in the background and the only part of the noise and yelling they could make out, at least originally was "Help", and after the first day the sheriff seems to have backed off this a little.

 

[foodsmart4]

I am usually an optomist...

But I am losing all hope in this case.

Same. It's really bothering me.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It would be helpful if LE would release the 911 call.
In many other cases ... 911 calls are released -- it helps in apprehending the perp (s) .
Or at least understanding who else might have been there. (Voice recognition)

This isn't the typical 911 call though. Imo they will not release anything about this one.

If and when they ever arrest the suspect this will be one of their most important pieces of evidence.

They are not going to reveal anything about what they heard since the 911 has been enhanced.

I think they know much more now than they did before it was enchanced.

Jmo

 

[Le Singe]

Thanks for this! Just watched the conference from the 17 October (on YouTube) and the Sheriff confirmed that he believed Jayme was at the house on the night in question. He couldn't confirm however if the word 'help' was said in the phone call.

Might have been the next press conference after that some days there were 2. You are right the sheriff has never confirmed the "help" part. But in one of the press conference he says they believe Jayme was there when this all happened based on what the heard on the tape, and other evidence that they won't comment on.

 

[LietKynes]

I know TOS means we cannot discuss or sleuth victims harshly, but I think I (and others, perhaps) sense something not entirely correct about that household. I can't put my finger on it.

Feels like this was a personal 'hit' as opposed to a random home invasion.
Like someone was at the boiling point and snapped ?

 

[Jaded_musician]

I'm hoping the lack of new information and press conferences means they have some solid leads that they are monitoring and are building a case.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...loss-missing-wisconsin-teens-family-in-emotio
I wonder who's night stand was removed from the home.
If it was Jaymie's I wonder if she kept a diary in there. That could shed more light on things.
As far as victimology.

 

[ACG2x]

Older but good article about general kidnapping/abduction facts. From other things I've read, these still hold pretty true. The paragraph that I found most applies to Jayme's case is:

Reading through it, the scenario which has the most characteristic matches as Jayme's case is:

• 
  
  • Acquaintance kidnapping
  involves a comparatively high percentage of juvenile perpetrators, has the largest percentage of female and teenage victims, is more often associated with other crimes (especially sexual and physical assault), occurs at homes and residences, and has the highest percentage of injured victims. When acquaintance kidnappings end in murder, the murder happens quickly. According to a study by the Washington State Attorney General's Office, in 74 percent of missing-child homicides, the child is murdered within the first three hours of the abduction.

Aside from the last sentence giving me chills , unless this is a home invasion gone wrong, which still seems less likely, the known facts support that either Jayme knew her abductor, her abductor knew her or both. Still would be extremely surprised if this was a totally random robbery gone wrong.

 

[daisy6441]

Older but good article about general kidnapping/abduction facts. From other things I've read, these still hold pretty true. The paragraph that I found most applies to Jayme's case is:

Reading through it, the scenario which has the most characteristic matches as Jayme's case is:

• 
  
  • Acquaintance kidnapping
  
  involves a comparatively high percentage of juvenile perpetrators, has the largest percentage of female and teenage victims, is more often associated with other crimes (especially sexual and physical assault), occurs at homes and residences, and has the highest percentage of injured victims. When acquaintance kidnappings end in murder, the murder happens quickly. According to a study by the Washington State Attorney General's Office, in 74 percent of missing-child homicides, the child is murdered within the first three hours of the abduction.

Aside from the last sentence giving me chills , unless this is a home invasion gone wrong, which still seems less likely, the known facts support that either Jayme knew her abductor, her abductor knew her or both. Still would be extremely surprised if this was a totally random robbery gone wrong.

They always say "oh when his happens its usually someone that is known to them." Well that could mean anyone from relatives to the cashier at the grocery store they shop at. I think it sounds like someone they would recognize but not someone they spent time with or knew on a personal level.

 

[foodsmart4]

It is very interesting that the police don't seem to think the public is in danger with this person out there. I wonder if that means that they know it was actually personal and not random. We know the odds of it being random are not that high anyway but it makes me wonder if they have actual proof of that.

 

[Molly_L]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...loss-missing-wisconsin-teens-family-in-emotio
I wonder who's night stand was removed from the home.
If it was Jaymie's I wonder if she kept a diary in there. That could shed more light on things.
As far as victimology.

Huh that was the first time I had heard about the nightstand. Interesting...

 

[JohnTate90210]

Been following since Thread 1 and this isn't meant to be rude, but what's the relevance of her prior marriage?

No relevance at all. It was just giving us a different photo of Denise.