AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #23

[tiffkinsadder]

but right away, the almost very first thing they though to do is notify a place 15 minutes away in a different town but nobody else (at least on the record)- just a little weird.

Yes. And the Dairy farm? Where is that located and why did they want to park there? LE that is.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Actually, the bathroom line was subsequently removed from the recent article! No longer has final sentence with further details about Denise after second person down.

New Video Surveillance Search Expanded, Electronic Device Detecting K-9 Used in Jayme Closs Search

When Barron County deputies arrived four minutes later, they found the door appeared to have been kicked in and a male who answered the door, was down. There were multiple spent rounds nearby. As authorities made their way farther into the home, they came across a second person down.

Exactly

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Personally, it's in my "highly probable, but maybe not" category.
I can't decide if LE doesn't want the (DC/Bathroom) info out there because it's incorrect, or because it's important to keep sealed, or some other unknown reason.

Well, we know that DC's phone was found in another room of the house, so I don't see why that room couldn't have been the bathroom.

JMO

 

[bobsburgers]

I hate to say this, and don't want to say this, but are we to the point that perhaps, Jayme could have been part of this?

jmo

 

[bizzle2]

I hate to say this, and don't want to say this, but are we to the point that perhaps, Jayme could have been part of this?

jmo

The Sheriff hasn't 100% ruled this out so I don't see why we should.

That being said, there is also no evidence to support that theory and it seems those who know her best think there is absolutely no way that happened.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Yes. And the Dairy farm? Where is that located and why did they want to park there? LE that is.

its only a few hundreds yards away but it also doesn't make sense from the data we have- you wouldn't park there, walk over and then run back after the 911 call, somebody would see you. You also wouldn't park out front. If you were in the driveway and you didn't leave until the 911 call and it only took 4 minutes for LE to arrive, and you were dragging a kid who didn't want to go with you... then the police missed you by seconds. Think about dragging out the kid, getting her stowed away, maybe backing out of the driveway in the dark, it eats up 4 minutes pretty fast if you bolt right away.

 

[pepper 34]

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[CuriousMaine]

but right away, the almost very first thing they though to do is notify a place 15 minutes away in a different town but nobody else (at least on the record)- just a little weird.

I see it logged after 4:30, that's over 3 hours. They did lots of things before that. Link: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

I don't find it suspicious. Could be a dozen different reasons. Maybe they got a tip from someone passing by about a car heading in that direction, or suspicious activity; maybe Casino Security has helped with something in the past; maybe one of the cops moonlights there and they want him to come in early to direct traffic.

It just doesn't raise any redflags for me, in and of itself. I certainly could be missing something.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Educating myself after reading this in one of the latest articles. "The FBI also brought in a special unit, the Behavioral Analysis Unit to create a suspect profile, but has not pieced one together at this time."
Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies
Had no idea there was a forensic profiling page for dummies .
Curious which of the 3 categories others think the perp fits. I'm thinking mixed.
"One basic method of characterizing offenders from crime-scene evidence divides them into the following three categories:

• Organized offenders: These criminals are more sophisticated in their approach, and their crimes show evidence of planning. These types tend to be of average or better intelligence, employed, and in active social relationships such as with spouses and families. Even though they’re driven by their fantasies, they maintain enough control to avoid being impulsive. They prepare and even rehearse. They tend to target specific victims or types of victims and use control measures such as restraints to maintain victim compliance. They bring the tools they need to gain access to and control of the victim and avoid leaving behind evidence. As killers, they generally hide or dispose of the body and are likely to have a dumpsite already selected.

• Disorganized offenders: These criminals usually live alone or with a relative, possess lower-than-average intelligence, are unemployed or work at menial jobs, and often have mental illnesses. They act impulsively, or as if they have little control over their fantasy-driven needs. They rarely use ruses to gain the victim’s confidence, but rather attack with sudden violence, overwhelming the victim. The crime scene often is messy and chaotic. This type of offender doesn’t plan ahead or bring tools along, but rather uses whatever is handy. As killers, they typically leave the body at the scene and exert little effort to avoid leaving behind evidence. Some have sexual contact with the victim after killing him or her.

• Mixed offenders: Some offenders leave behind mixed messages at crime scenes. They show evidence of planning and a sophisticated MO, but the assault itself may be frenzied or messy, which may indicate some control over deep-seated and violent fantasies."

ETA: the article goes on to narrows the categories

 

[tiffkinsadder]

One possible role for a woman: A woman knocking on the front door and a woman's voice from outside that door, requesting help, would be a good way to get James to open the door.

I have been resistant in that opinion. However, reading threads in here involving kidnapping where women have been arrested and the women involved in some way from the Ohio murders, 8 victims. I’m not going to dismiss that as of now.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

I see it logged after 4:30, that's over 3 hours. They did lots of things before that. Link: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

I don't find it suspicious. Could be a dozen different reasons. Maybe they got a tip from someone passing by about a car heading in that direction, or suspicious activity; maybe Casino Security has helped with something in the past; maybe one of the cops moonlights there and they want him to come in early to direct traffic.

It just doesn't raise any redflags for me, in and of itself. I certainly could be missing something.

What leads going out of town in the opposite direction?

 

[Nerissa]

IMO only way Jayme is involved is if she's been targeted & victimized by an older man...her 'boyfriend' - and this man executed this plan or went berserk. She didn't have him kill her parents.
The fact of the door being kicked in is mainly why I discount any scenario wherein Jayme is involved. Somebody had to fight their way into the home....Jayme would not need to. And if she wanted her 'boyfriend' to kill her parents, she could just go on & let him in...yeah so let's say Jayme had no conscious involvement in what has happened

 

[Nerissa]

Also - read here that it took the officers a few minutes to locat Denise-?
If true I am thinking she hid in a closet....

 

[Curiousobserver]

I see it logged after 4:30, that's over 3 hours. They did lots of things before that. Link: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

I don't find it suspicious. Could be a dozen different reasons. Maybe they got a tip from someone passing by about a car heading in that direction, or suspicious activity; maybe Casino Security has helped with something in the past; maybe one of the cops moonlights there and they want him to come in early to direct traffic.

It just doesn't raise any redflags for me, in and of itself. I certainly could be missing something.

Misread that- though it was sooner

 

[CuriousMaine]

I hate to say this, and don't want to say this, but are we to the point that perhaps, Jayme could have been part of this?

jmo

I'm not even close to considering it. Too many other statistically likely probabilities.

 

[FlamingoLady]

Educating myself after reading this in one of the latest articles. "The FBI also brought in a special unit, the Behavioral Analysis Unit to create a suspect profile, but has not pieced one together at this time."
Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies
Had no idea there was a forensic profiling page for dummies .
Curious which of the 3 categories others think the perp fits. I'm thinking mixed.
"One basic method of characterizing offenders from crime-scene evidence divides them into the following three categories:

• Organized offenders: These criminals are more sophisticated in their approach, and their crimes show evidence of planning. These types tend to be of average or better intelligence, employed, and in active social relationships such as with spouses and families. Even though they’re driven by their fantasies, they maintain enough control to avoid being impulsive. They prepare and even rehearse. They tend to target specific victims or types of victims and use control measures such as restraints to maintain victim compliance. They bring the tools they need to gain access to and control of the victim and avoid leaving behind evidence. As killers, they generally hide or dispose of the body and are likely to have a dumpsite already selected.

• Disorganized offenders: These criminals usually live alone or with a relative, possess lower-than-average intelligence, are unemployed or work at menial jobs, and often have mental illnesses. They act impulsively, or as if they have little control over their fantasy-driven needs. They rarely use ruses to gain the victim’s confidence, but rather attack with sudden violence, overwhelming the victim. The crime scene often is messy and chaotic. This type of offender doesn’t plan ahead or bring tools along, but rather uses whatever is handy. As killers, they typically leave the body at the scene and exert little effort to avoid leaving behind evidence. Some have sexual contact with the victim after killing him or her.

• Mixed offenders: Some offenders leave behind mixed messages at crime scenes. They show evidence of planning and a sophisticated MO, but the assault itself may be frenzied or messy, which may indicate some control over deep-seated and violent fantasies."

ETA: the article goes on to narrows the categories

It's so hard to know with so little info on the crime scene.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Educating myself after reading this in one of the latest articles. "The FBI also brought in a special unit, the Behavioral Analysis Unit to create a suspect profile, but has not pieced one together at this time."
Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies
Had no idea there was a forensic profiling page for dummies .
Curious which of the 3 categories others think the perp fits. I'm thinking mixed.
"One basic method of characterizing offenders from crime-scene evidence divides them into the following three categories:

• Organized offenders: These criminals are more sophisticated in their approach, and their crimes show evidence of planning. These types tend to be of average or better intelligence, employed, and in active social relationships such as with spouses and families. Even though they’re driven by their fantasies, they maintain enough control to avoid being impulsive. They prepare and even rehearse. They tend to target specific victims or types of victims and use control measures such as restraints to maintain victim compliance. They bring the tools they need to gain access to and control of the victim and avoid leaving behind evidence. As killers, they generally hide or dispose of the body and are likely to have a dumpsite already selected.

• Disorganized offenders: These criminals usually live alone or with a relative, possess lower-than-average intelligence, are unemployed or work at menial jobs, and often have mental illnesses. They act impulsively, or as if they have little control over their fantasy-driven needs. They rarely use ruses to gain the victim’s confidence, but rather attack with sudden violence, overwhelming the victim. The crime scene often is messy and chaotic. This type of offender doesn’t plan ahead or bring tools along, but rather uses whatever is handy. As killers, they typically leave the body at the scene and exert little effort to avoid leaving behind evidence. Some have sexual contact with the victim after killing him or her.

• Mixed offenders: Some offenders leave behind mixed messages at crime scenes. They show evidence of planning and a sophisticated MO, but the assault itself may be frenzied or messy, which may indicate some control over deep-seated and violent fantasies."

ETA: the article goes on to narrows the categories

I would say number one initially except Denise and Jaymes were left at the crime scene. If Jayme was the target, she was in my opinion, well number one still fits that profile unfortunately.

 

[CuriousMaine]

its only a few hundreds yards away but it also doesn't make sense from the data we have- you wouldn't park there, walk over and then run back after the 911 call, somebody would see you. You also wouldn't park out front. If you were in the driveway and you didn't leave until the 911 call and it only took 4 minutes for LE to arrive, and you were dragging a kid who didn't want to go with you... then the police missed you by seconds. Think about dragging out the kid, getting her stowed away, maybe backing out of the driveway in the dark, it eats up 4 minutes pretty fast if you bolt right away.

I think @ tiff means why did the police want to park there, from the Dispatch log at about 13:39 (1:39pm, next afternoon). Link: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

My theory on that is, they were in peak investigation mode. All the cars wouldn't fit in driveway; traffic disrupted/safety hazard if parked on road; contamination of potential evidence (tire imprints, shell casings, etc).

 

[Evinrude]

We need to remember that the house is very small. I live in a similar one. Like 5 seconds from center of house you can be in any room. Hard to hide unless there was a struggle which occupied perp(s) time.
Still bizarre.
Rhoden murders makes sense of an unsensible act. Motive.
I know we all try to find the motive here but each path we take there is a contradiction.

 

[Mistermagoo]

I guess because the cameras would catch people coming and going on the road, maybe. Not necessarily that they had been at the casino.

In one part of the dispatch log, at 1:32 it is requested that 303 have search teams ready to go
That would indicate to me that officer 303 is somewhat in charge of the search teams

At 2:00, 303 requests that 301 grab the drone. Again, that would indicate to me that, if not in charge, 303 is an officer that is part of the search team

but right away, the almost very first thing they though to do is notify a place 15 minutes away in a different town but nobody else (at least on the record)- just a little weird.

It was 3 1/2 hours after they arrived on scene.
They were told to have casino security get in contact with 303, who also was told to put a search team ready to go at 1:32