AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #26

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I thought the FBI was going to do a profile - based on what I have no idea - but I have not heard of one. What could they say? Male, maybe age 25-40, maybe former military, maybe para-military group, maybe loner, maybe goes to shooting range, maybe plays lots of video games, maybe this, maybe that. The only definite seems to be male. This could include half the male population.

I feel the same. I would add 'off the grid', 'doomsday prepper' kind of guy. Or at least has a hideout like that, in a romote quiet place where he could keep someone captive and hidden. Might feel like he's doing this 'for the greater good' of something, someone, some people, or some group/organisation.
I don't think that there is nobody else who knows or suspects anything about what he did. I also think he had some sort of help.
 
Another missing teen, Kirsten Renata Stefanee Duarte from Beaver Dam, WI (Dodge County - SE of Barron County). She is 17 years old. She’s been missing for a month and it’s just “breaking . . .Press release in past 24 hours, a couple links:

Beaver Dam teen reported missing nearly 4 weeks

Beaver Dam police seek teen missing for a month

Dodge County Sheriff’s Dept statement from above WKOW-TV story must have been removed from their FB page?!? I’m not seeing a post about this missing teen, hopefully they pulled it because she’s been located. Hopefully. There has been documented sex trafficking going on in Dodge County, working through “Gentlemen’s Clubs”, pretty outrageous stuff for this rural Agricultural area.

The delay in notifying the public isn’t unusual, the police department posted Friday on its Facebook page.

“We do not post locator posters for every runaway or missing person. A lot depends on the circumstances surrounding the person initially going missing,” read the post.

“Also, during the time that a person is listed as a runaway/missing, there is follow-up being investigated but there are times when no further information is coming in where the person may be so additional steps are taken to solicit information.”

Edit: Clarification - This case is not being handled by the Dodge County Sheriff’s Office, rather the Beaver Dam Police Dept. Following is their FB post:
TODAY'S TMJ4

(I have no idea why the link shows TODAY’S TMJ4 when I copy the FB link. Sigh.
 
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I feel the same. I would add 'off the grid', 'doomsday prepper' kind of guy. Or at least has a hideout like that, in a romote quiet place where he could keep someone captive and hidden. Might feel like he's doing this 'for the greater good' of something, someone, some people, or some group/organisation.
I don't think that there is nobody else who knows or suspects anything about what he did. I also think he had some sort of help.

This same theory was popular when Holly Bobo was abducted and very brutally murdered by druggies...
 
This case is quite a head scratcher.

By now, LE has had time to thoroughly analyze all of Jayme's digital communications. If they found anything, I would think (?) we would have seen more material advancement in the case by now? I originally thought it was a possibility that she had been communicating with someone who then came to "rescue", or abscond her. However, it would seem that that theory would have been revealed by now...

My second theory, and what seems more likely given the time lapse, is that the horrific crime was a result of a deranged individual who had a perceived grievance with the parents. Given what we know about the deceased couple, it's hard to conceive them being in any situation that would inspire such devastating action. The only semi-logical theories I can come up with are: (a) deranged ex-employee with a grievance (b) something tied to the casino and money

Really baffled on this one.
Locals: What's the word on the street? Do folks feel as there is solid progress being made on the case and that there is a particular theory being worked on?

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
My take on this is as follows:
As to motive;
Road rage incident on the way home involving either James or Denise.
Respectfully snipped for focus.
Very interesting theory, and absolutely believable. It wouldn't be the first time we heard of some rage-o-holic going berserk. However, taking Jayme doesn't seem (?) to fit in to this scenario.

Still scratching my head.
 
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Very interesting theory, and absolutely believable. It wouldn't be the first time we heard of some rage-o-holic going berserk. However, taking Jayme doesn't seem (?) to fit in to this scenario.

Still scratching my head.
If it was road rage Jayme may have recognized the person or if left alive could have given the LE descriptions of the car or where it occurred, his plans may have changed when he saw the phone call had been placed and didn't know how much time he had before LE would arrive.
LE said they died from gun shots but didn't say if there were other injuries like being knocked unconscious first.
That could also account for the fact that the glass front cabinet and the snow man did not look to be broken or discolored. If James was already down then the bullet would have gone straight down. The neighbors did say the second shot seemed to be louder. The first one for Denise inside the house and the second in the open door. Just my own theory.
 
Let's look at this:
Sheriff Fitzgerald at the beginning stated that he is 100% expectation that Jayme is alive.
Why would he say that?

Sheriff Fitzgerald stated he did not believe the public is in danger. Could have said killers are on the loose, lock your doors, Make sure you know who your kids are talking to, LE is bringing in extra patrol to drive the streets at night for your safety ...etc

2 searches and if I'm correct, they were searches for suspicious things, not Jayme

Cameras set up at the house. Even though creepy man that went for her underwear is not a suspect, I'm thinking that they think someone may be going back there to get Jayme some things.

Aunts are speaking to Jayme, so it seems, at the press conference and not a plea for the perps to not hurt her. IMO

I'm sure there is more that I can add to this but it just seems like a picture is painted right in front of us and we're not getting it. I'm not saying that Jayme was a part of her own disappearance. I am saying that although we know they are holding back details to the public, I think they have a much bigger idea and we should just start piecing together the little they are giving us.
 
Let's look at this:
Sheriff Fitzgerald at the beginning stated that he is 100% expectation that Jayme is alive.
Why would he say that?

Sheriff Fitzgerald stated he did not believe the public is in danger. Could have said killers are on the loose, lock your doors, Make sure you know who your kids are talking to, LE is bringing in extra patrol to drive the streets at night for your safety ...etc

2 searches and if I'm correct, they were searches for suspicious things, not Jayme

Cameras set up at the house. Even though creepy man that went for her underwear is not a suspect, I'm thinking that they think someone may be going back there to get Jayme some things.

Aunts are speaking to Jayme, so it seems, at the press conference and not a plea for the perps to not hurt her. IMO

I'm sure there is more that I can add to this but it just seems like a picture is painted right in front of us and we're not getting it. I'm not saying that Jayme was a part of her own disappearance. I am saying that although we know they are holding back details to the public, I think they have a much bigger idea and we should just start piecing together the little they are giving us.
BBM: Nope. I think the sheriff has been remarkably candid. I think they're stumped.

Investigators conducting more interviews in Closs case
 
True! My 38 is by my front door and my 410 is by my bed. Both are loaded and ready....I would never go to my front door after dark without my hand gun. That's why I think James knew who was there.
Would you immediately shoot a person you see standing at your door?

The killer will shoot you the minute they see you. They know what they want. You do not know. A few seconds of decision declares you dead
 
Communities of Barron, Ladysmith come together for special hoops game

<snipped>
Carter Closs spent Friday thinking about his uncle and first cousin – James and Jayme Closs.

“He liked his high school football and basketball. He let you know he was the best one out there every day and he never failed to do that,” Carter Closs said to WEAU 13 News, about his uncle. "Otherwise, he was an outgoing guy. Never mean to anybody.

BBM
I wonder if James may have been the target after all?? It appears he was quite the sports enthusiast and worked out regularly at the gym (awarded 1,000 hours). Maybe was a real 'man's man' (tough guy) kind of attitude that rubbed someone, at work particularly, the wrong way. I'm in no way faulting or accusing James of anything, my DH is a tough guy with a former sports start mentality, which can be annoying, but he's a teddy bear down deep.

If James did work that Sunday, perhaps there was spat, perp stews (drinks/drugs?). Decides to wait until he knows James is asleep, comes to house with a purpose. Denise surely would have recognized him from the plant so he shoots her as well. Jayme is taken for 'other' reason. :(

Just thinking out loud.....all JMHO and I hope I'm way off base.
 
Let's look at this:
Sheriff Fitzgerald at the beginning stated that he is 100% expectation that Jayme is alive.
Why would he say that?

Sheriff Fitzgerald stated he did not believe the public is in danger. Could have said killers are on the loose, lock your doors, Make sure you know who your kids are talking to, LE is bringing in extra patrol to drive the streets at night for your safety ...etc

2 searches and if I'm correct, they were searches for suspicious things, not Jayme

Cameras set up at the house. Even though creepy man that went for her underwear is not a suspect, I'm thinking that they think someone may be going back there to get Jayme some things.

Aunts are speaking to Jayme, so it seems, at the press conference and not a plea for the perps to not hurt her. IMO

I'm sure there is more that I can add to this but it just seems like a picture is painted right in front of us and we're not getting it. I'm not saying that Jayme was a part of her own disappearance. I am saying that although we know they are holding back details to the public, I think they have a much bigger idea and we should just start piecing together the little they are giving us.

If she had a fitbit I could understand such a statement.
But they must have something else.
Maybe something favorite like clothing, photo's or something dear to Jayme is missing. Like the perp gave Jayme time to fetch some dear belongings. He wouldn't do that if he was going to kill her very soon.
 

60,000 is a boatload... I think u could develop a few algorithms...

As long as data has enough fields and you can filter... you should be able to find a few anomalies... that might help...

Get data 30 days before. 30 days after
Was there numbers that stopped for 24 hours after the murders

Which nos only showed up days of murder..

Was there nos active everyday from 12 noon to 3 am all days but didn’t turn on that day.

There’s software likely that will do all the data mining... or atleast filter the pattern.
Gotta try something...
 
Hi

In the nicest possible way having recently been the victim of 3 strangers late at night breaking into our home leaving one member of the family seriously injured another assaulted and me who hid whilst calling 911.

They did an untidy search took two items of little value attempted to take a 3rd but it was plugged in so they dropped it.

Behind them; my family was left wondering why us?
LE was asking exactly the same question.

We live in a similar type of location to the Closs family albeit a different part of the world.

LE take DNA swabs of those known to be about for elimination purposes especially if the baddies leave tools of their trade behind,

A lot has been asked of dogs in our case a sniffer dog was available approx 1/2 hour after the incident. She was a general search dog and led to the freshest human scent in the air which led LE to two other clues.

LE did not use sirens or emergency lights for obvious reasons, the baddies weren't too far away when they arrived at the scene.

To cut a long story short people unknown broke into an occupied house for no reason what so ever. They were violent and didn't give a flying **** about the devastation they left behind
 
Hi

In the nicest possible way having recently been the victim of 3 strangers late at night breaking into our home leaving one member of the family seriously injured another assaulted and me who hid whilst calling 911.

They did an untidy search took two items of little value attempted to take a 3rd but it was plugged in so they dropped it.

Behind them; my family was left wondering why us?
LE was asking exactly the same question.

We live in a similar type of location to the Closs family albeit a different part of the world.

LE take DNA swabs of those known to be about for elimination purposes especially if the baddies leave tools of their trade behind,

A lot has been asked of dogs in our case a sniffer dog was available approx 1/2 hour after the incident. She was a general search dog and led to the freshest human scent in the air which led LE to two other clues.

LE did not use sirens or emergency lights for obvious reasons, the baddies weren't too far away when they arrived at the scene.

To cut a long story short people unknown broke into an occupied house for no reason what so ever. They were violent and didn't give a flying **** about the devastation they left behind
You often a unique perspective.
First, I'm so sorry you experienced this trauma, and I hope your family has been able to heal from the horrific ordeal.
How old were the Perps? Were you able to determine if there was any loose connection to your family at all? (Gas station attendant, carpet cleaner, etc.) Did you find out why they picked your particular location?

Any other details you can offer up might help us further calibrate Jayme's case. Thank you so much.
 
60,000 is a boatload... I think u could develop a few algorithms...

As long as data has enough fields and you can filter... you should be able to find a few anomalies... that might help...

Get data 30 days before. 30 days after
Was there numbers that stopped for 24 hours after the murders

Which nos only showed up days of murder..

Was there nos active everyday from 12 noon to 3 am all days but didn’t turn on that day.

There’s software likely that will do all the data mining... or atleast filter the pattern.
Gotta try something...

If I were this perp I would not take my phone with me but a portable police scanner. Perp might have even left his phone with someone else who knew what he was up to and who was his alibi.
 
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