Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #38

[mtnlites]

Why would they give him a mental evaluation? He can't be found legally insane as he planned how to get away with these crimes and then tried to hide it. He knew right from wrong.
But idk maybe him having some mental something might get him medication or something so he doesn't have these fantasies? idk.

If he doesn't take a plea and goes to trial, they'll try whatever they can.

Even if he is locked up forever, which is likely, a mental evaluation and subsequent counseling/medication for any health issues he may have would be helpful in the long-term. As far as he goes, I could care less if he's taken care of health wise, but there are others to consider. Prison employees and other prisoners will also have to live and work with him so their safety must be considered as well.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, or at least confidence or pride. He may very well have been shy and withdrawn as a child, but fantasized about being something like an action hero. I bet we find out that he is pretty intelligent, too. Imo

He was smart in school. He was on the quiz team IIRC

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes good point although I think he planned to use them if neccesary and would therefore likely plan to leave no evidence.....or maybe He did want her parents alive and felt he could eliminate any connection to her. Unfortunately its rehtorical imo as we will probably never know for certain. MOO

He did say he was prepared to kill anyone in the house. I believe that's why he went searching through the house after he killed James. If he had found anyone else there he would have killed them too. Imo

 

[SeekingJana]

So. Big news day, huh? All kinds of goodies to analyze and dig into. A veritable amateur sleuth feeding frenzy!

For myself, the best parts of this day are the 911 recording (which I already mentioned), and this:

WCCO-TV | CBS Minnesota

I find it just as important - if not more so - to take a deep breath and recognize the good that also exists in our crazy world.

I listened to the 911 tape after I'd read the legal docs. we have access to and was relaxed. I didn't expect to, but I cried, thinking that Jayme finally had kindness and warmth, both physical and emotional back in her life.
I thank God for those wonderful ladies who helped her without fear!!

 

[chili367]

911 dispatcher interview

'All I can think about is her': 911 dispatcher recounts moments Jayme Closs reappeared

The mood in that room would have been electric. What another great job by a dispatcher -- they bookended this case with professionalism.

 

[crhedBngr]

I hope someone is screening the cards before Jayme is reading them. (pretty sure someone will) There are other crazies out there.

Yes, agreed!

 

[Marli61]

From the last thread, looking for poster’s name.

Notes:

“So they knew he had gone into the house... I don't understand the purpose of claiming he'd only gone a few feet in.“

Adding to the list of discrepancies, things that turned out to be different then initially reported (please feel free to correct me if I’ve gotten something wrong, I know you guys will ):

1. Door was kicked in.
False, the door turned out to be shot in.

2. No vehicles were seen in the area.
False, the maroon car was seen.

3. Only went a few feet in.
False.

4. Any thing else?

I wonder about these for future reference if these were purposeful fibs for reasons including weeding out false confessions, etc, or if there were other reasons (battery is dying darn)-my interest in analyzing these discrepancies is strictly based on wanting to know everything from an investigative standpoint, how everything all went down, etc, what was going on behind the scenes, etc now that Jayme is safe and the perp is in custody.

Iirc in the complaint JP stated he shot the door weakening it then forced it open...so he did both I think.

 

[ab01]

I have a question which seems so dumb to me but I guess it's because I've never had experience with the legal system as a defendant.

The guy has confessed to 2 murders. Once a person confesses, how exactly do they end up going to trial? I understand due process of law, but I've always thought once a person calmly admitted to commission of a crime or crimes, they were then bound over for sentencing after the DA has all evidence in for the state.

I wouldn't call what I've read in the legal documents " excited utterances" which are when a person jumps up and says " I did it" and they are either altered mentally due to substance abuse or maybe just shocked in some way at the moment.

This will be determined at the plea hearing. All accused have the right to a fair trial. If defendant pleads guilty it will skip trial and go to the penalty phase. If the defendant pleads not guilty/ not guilty by reason of insanity etc it will move to trial.

 

[MsBetsy]

He was smart in school. He was on the quiz team IIRC

Really? What is the Quiz team? Did they say anything about his IQ? Grades?

 

[not.a.muggle]

I'm 24 minutes into the 911 call from JN and KK (posted in the last thread, I haven't read this one yet).

Wow. Feels like FOREVER. But it's nice to hear some laughter. I'm sure the joy and feelings that were going on in that home are indescribable. JN asked if Jayme was afraid and she said no! She knew it was over.

 

[justwannahelp]

I wonder if all the available officers were already surrounding/arresting JP at that point (?) and then went to get JC after (?) I read somewhere that when LE turned onto his road (very rural) JP passed his own driveway and so was pulled over right there....maybe backup came right away for the JP arrest because of the high-profile case... not sure, though...

I think the report said that a female officer took Jayme in her car escorted by a male officer in
another car. Both officers passed Jake on the road.
The female officer asked Jayme if that was his car. She said she wasn’t sure. So the me officer stop escorting the other officer to tail Jake until backup got there. Once backup was there the 2 officers pulled Jake over. The female officer continued to head away (she didn’t stay behind to help them detain jake with Jayme in the car)

 

[chili367]

So. Big news day, huh? All kinds of goodies to analyze and dig into. A veritable amateur sleuth feeding frenzy!

For myself, the best parts of this day are the 911 recording (which I already mentioned), and this:

WCCO-TV | CBS Minnesota

I find it just as important - if not more so - to take a deep breath and recognize the good that also exists in our crazy world.

Thank you.

 

[~ Amy ~]

From the last thread, looking for poster name to credit in progress:

Notes:


“So they knew he had gone into the house... I don't understand the purpose of claiming he'd only gone a few feet in.“

Adding to the list of discrepancies, things that turned out to be different then initially reported (please feel free to correct me if I’ve gotten something wrong, I know you guys will ):

1. Door was kicked in.
False, the door turned out to be shot in.

2. No vehicles were seen in the area.
False, the maroon car was seen.

3. Only went a few feet in.
False.

4. Any thing else?

I wonder about these for future reference if these were purposeful fibs for reasons including weeding out false confessions, etc, or if there were other reasons (battery is dying darn)-my interest in analyzing these discrepancies is strictly based on wanting to know everything from an investigative standpoint, how everything all went down, etc, what was going on behind the scenes, etc now that Jayme is safe and the perp is in custody.

Maybe LE was hoping that the perp would get upset with the misinformation they released and make a call to them and say " No , this is how it all went down. " Kinda like a cat and mouse game . Then they would definitely know that it was the REAL perp calling them & not some lunatic out here that likes to insert their self into an investigation. Just taking a wild guess. I haven't posted since Caylee Anthony and promised myself I'd stay off here.... but here I sit .
Thank God Jayme is alive . I wish her and her family the best ! Way to go sweet girl.

 

[MassGuy]

He's an enigma to me at this point. He has the hallmarks of certain other killers and stark contrasts as well. I'm sure we'll find out more going forward. Thanks for the book rec

He’s certainly an “enigma,” as you can’t package him neatly into any category.

The issue here, is that this crime doesn’t have a lot of precedent.

Kidnappers don’t typically kill a family in order to achieve their goal.

I have no doubt that had there been more people in that house, he would have met the definition of a mass murderer.

But he doesn’t profile as a mass murderer, even though he does have some of the same traits.

I see him more like a serial killer than anything, but he also doesn’t meet that definition either.

This is a weird one.

 

[girlhasnoname]

You can have the whole box.

Maybe I'm just burned out of dissecting the miserable minutia. Jayme is safe. Bad guy has been removed from society. And between Jayme's family, thousands of volunteers searching, the Gordon neighbors (and Henry ), a whole lot of people who didn't ask for any of this to happen rose to the occasion and did what needed to be done. They are the drop of good in a pool of insanity.

I know I'm still pinching myself to make sure it's real. I always held out hope and felt she was out there somewhere, but actually seeing her and how this has played out, knowing what she went through is really mind numbing. Reinforces my faith in humanity. IMO

 

[Tim Constas]

He did say he was prepared to kill anyone in the house. I believe that's why he went searching through the house after he killed James. If he had found anyone else there he would have killed them too. Imo

You're spot on. That's exactly why he went through the house. IMHO.

 

[Jessthinkin]

I think the report said that a female officer took Jayme in her car escorted by a male officer in
another car. Both officers passed Jake on the road.
The female officer asked Jayme if that was his car. She said she wasn’t sure. So the me officer stop escorting the other officer to tail Jake until backup got there. Once backup was there the 2 officers pulled Jake over. The female officer continued to head away (she didn’t stay behind to help them detain jake with Jayme in the car)

Thanks! So I'm curious what the explanation is for why it took so long for the initial responding officers to get Jayme... is it just a geographically huge area?

 

[SeekingJana]

the behaviors are very clear and the signs can be spotted. This kid was hurting animals, or starting fires, or bedwetting into his teens (hence adult sized diapers).

You are very highly likely to be correct if he is Antisocial Personality Disordered. It starts around age 6 in some kids.

Today, when I was reading about Jayme being confined underneath a twin sized bed and a few other things, I thought " We treat our dogs better than this".
Then I realized- He has all the signs of being a psychopath and he doesn't even recognize her as a fellow human being with feelings or anything else. He likely doesn't remember a time in his life when he felt any differently ( age 5 and before, usually).

I think his father saw that in him before now, hence the isolated house, and also maybe in court when he openly sobbed for his son who had a flat affect when describing what he'd done.

It's all so tragic, 2 young people who collided and neither will be the same, but one will have the freedom and love she deserves.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Being on the spectrum doesn't generally cause homicidal tendencies and definitely would neither excuse, nor explain, his actions. If this goes to trial, however, I see a forthcoming mental evaluation. I don't see how they could do any kind of defense without one.

Speaking from experience, being on spectrum doesn’t create desire to kidnap or kill... its mainly a sensory overload of the brain... too much stimulation causes nervousness and uncomfortable anxiety. That’s why it’s easier for someone with aspergers to listen to someone and not look at them...1 stimuli vs 2 stimuli.. sounds insane... but I’ve had 5 min conversation with people not looking at them... they think I didn’t care... I’ll text them the whole conversation back....

This ain’t aspergers or autism, it was a life event..or abuse... or mental snap, and jaymes parents suffered the consequences...

 

[cody22]

I don’t know. You’re right, he did spend his entire life in a form of isolation.

But he also likely saw himself as an unrecognized nobody. He’s famous now, or infamous.

He may finally see himself as somebody, and revel in the fact that he is now well known.

He committed a crime that everyone is talking about, and seems to have communicated a level of arrogance and pride as he told law enforcement about this crime.

He might be enjoying this.

He is. He is going to relive in his mind that night, and those 88 days, for the rest of his life, over and over......MOO