GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

[Charlot123]

Edited to add: CW learned to lie from an early age. On Page 27 of the CBI report he says:
"He has always had a “crazy imagination,” ever since he was a little kid. He convinced his teacher in grade school that he went to Japan or China over the summer, which was not true. He wrote a whole story about it and his teacher believed him."

SMH.

[Snipped by me]

Thank you very much. I did not see it.

So, Chris Watts as the child had imaginary world. That explains a lot.

My theory, at one point during the relationship with NK he started intensely fantasizing about his family somehow disappearing (Shanann running away, or something else), and him moving in with NK and living happily ever after. Keeping everything, the house, all his perfect life, minus Shanann and the girls. I wonder if he started thinking about it after that day when he looked at NK and said, “I never met anyone like you”.

His imaginary world grew on himself. I thought I knew why he was mad at Shanann, after all, family life is rocky, especially if you have a lover, but why was he feeling rage towards the girls was beyond my comprehension.

Now I think that he was enraged with all of them, because they were still present in reality, while in his imagination they were long gone.

I think he started preparing to “something” close to the time they were to come back from NC, but he did not have a firm plan. And I believe that he killed SW during an argument, but he was mentally so prepared, that the argument was merely an accelerant.

So he did whatever he dreamed of, removed them from the house, to empty it, so that NK could move in.

Perhaps he did not kill the kids in the house specifically so that NK could later move in. (He knew she’d have suspicions).

MOO

 

[molly1255]

This discussion says a lot about NK. Hard as nails.

Hard as nails is right. This is a good indicator of just how much NK was in there, stirring the pot.

 

[mtnlites]

The interviewers may have acted chummy with CW, but don't forget that they're the same ones who secretly recorded the interview and promised him that the picture they took wouldn't be leaked. These folks were NOT his friends-they just know how to get the words out of him.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, I agree. Nothing he did makes sense but opening up another hatch was needless effort. He was clearly strapped for time. He must have had them open already.

I’d be so interested in when the last time his work truck was tracked to that site (before that morning). I don’t remember seeing if that was researched.

BBM, I am confident that this was done. Huskey requested 30 days of data on CW's GPS. See PDF pages 489-490.
MOO

 

[nwmouse]

[Snipped by me]

Thank you very much. I did not see it.

So, Chris Watts as the child had imaginary world. That explains a lot.

My theory, at one point during the relationship with NK he started intensely fantasizing about his family somehow disappearing (Shanann running away, or something else), and him moving in with NK and living happily ever after. Keeping everything, the house, all his perfect life, minus Shanann and the girls. I wonder if he started thinking about it after that day when he looked at NK and said, “I never met anyone like you”.

His imaginary world grew on himself. I thought I knew why he was mad at Shanann, after all, family life is rocky, especially if you have a lover, but why was he feeling rage towards the girls was beyond my comprehension.

Now I think that he was enraged with all of them, because they were still present in reality, while in his imagination they were long gone.

I think he started preparing to “something” close to the time they were to come back from NC, but he did not have a firm plan. And I believe that he killed SW during an argument, but he was mentally so prepared, that the argument was merely an accelerant.

So he did whatever he dreamed of, removed them from the house, to empty it, so that NK could move in.

Perhaps he did not kill the kids in the house specifically so that NK could later move in. (He knew she’d have suspicions).

MOO

It tells me that CW was a spinner of stories from an early age. He found it hard to distinguish truth from fantasy.
Thus he lies and believes his own lies.

I think when he met NK, the type of woman who had never paid him attention to him previously, he started to think about a new life, without responsibility.

He has no basis in reality - who the heck murders his family to hook up with a new girlfriend and thinks he can get away with it?????

Only a nut.

 

[MJPeony]

BBM, I am confident that this was done. Huskey requested 30 days of data on CW's GPS. See PDF pages 489-490.
MOO

Thanks. And NanZDrew said the truck was apparently last there on Friday (too late to edit my post).

So, no new light shed on anything since he didn’t necessarily have to unbolt the hatches. Maybe he did some preparing on Friday, maybe not.

 

[BioInspector]

yes. That convinced me.

But he didn't say anything about whether alive or not, just that if they saw them in the truck. No?

 

[BioInspector]

Thanks. And NanZDrew said the truck was apparently last there on Friday (too late to edit my post).

So, no new light shed on anything since he didn’t necessarily have to unbolt the hatches. Maybe he did some preparing on Friday, maybe not.

Wasn't he off from work that day?!

 

[PommyMommy]

Thanks. And NanZDrew said the truck was apparently last there on Friday (too late to edit my post).

So, no new light shed on anything since he didn’t necessarily have to unbolt the hatches. Maybe he did some preparing on Friday, maybe not.

Sorry, I can't confirm that the truck was there Friday, and it's not something I
remember.
MOO

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder if CW had some degree of autism. I mention that no as an excuse because he knew right from wrong, but as a possible explanation for his social awkwardness and the weird way that he acted regarding emotions.

We all wonder about it. It might explain a lot about him. One thing, however...To kill a partner, one does not need to be autistic. But to annihilate own kids, one has to have something else, way, way in excess of garden-variety, common autism. MOO. And what this “something else” is remains a mystery. This is why I support specialists visiting him and working with him. It won’t help Shanann or the girls, but maybe it will help prevent another crime?

To give Chris a credit. Scott Peterson still has not admitted guilt. Most of such criminals lie and deny till their last breath. CW has at least made a confession. It is not going to bring his family back. However, if he can name one strong emotion, rage, perhaps one day, he will be able to name and feel another one, remorse?

 

[molly1255]

Quite so.

Chris Watt's version of love is distorted and he doesn't know the true meaning.

He goes through the motions of what he "thinks" defines love, but he's just a puppet mimicking emotions because he has few other than his own ego.

Simply, there's little need to study him. He's just a straw man and will never be anything else.

moo

JMO, I know he's technically a family annihilator, but I think what also explains CW is psychopathy. In addition to not having a conscience, empathy or remorse, psychopaths are also highly narcissistic. They don't always have criminal records.

They walk in our midst and they act completely normal. They present themselves to be wonderful people and they can go undetected for years. When their mask comes off, it's always a freak show of epic proportions.

I wish I had known the traits of a psychopath years ago, because I had to learn them the hard way. I think it is very important to become familiar with the traits of a psychopath with the hope of being able to spot them and avoid them. JMO, anyone who has become familiar with CW's noted behaviors before the murders and the behaviors we've observed after the murders has seen what these people can look like.

All JMO

 

[Seattle1]

It happens, sadly.

I've known women who go out of their way to seduce married men with kids. Even befriending the spouse of the man they want to take away.

It feeds their ego and makes them feel powerful.

UGH.

NK was one of those women, no matter how much she denies that CW "PROMISED" he was estranged from his "nasty" wife and toddlers.

A decent woman would run a mile.

It usually doesn't end well, though. Those guys are chronic cheaters and nothing is enough to mollify their pathetic egos.

moo

I recall NK's phony statements to LE on how she sent CW to North Carolina with a mission to work on his marriage, all the while sending him "hot selfies" that he hid in his secret app.

 

[Charlot123]

I'm catching up on this thread so I may have missed this mentioned, but I'm 90 minutes into the interview and one of the things that sticks out to me is CW saying (paraphrased here and in reference to his 45 minute drive to the tanks), "I kept wondering if I could have saved them [the girls]."

Saved them? They were still alive at that point....
or were they?

Maybe the word he was looking for was “salvaged”, not “saved”? One of its meanings is “saved”, another, “spared”. It fits the situation, but Chris probably did not remember it, so he used “saved”.

 

[Charlot123]

No , if he had bad hair and clothes, and was fat, he wouldn't have these stupid and immature women defending him. It is shallowness of the worst degree.

Charles Manson was not exactly Marlon Brando, either, and yet he had quite a group of followers, even a fiancée, when incarcerated. I think it is the “fame” factor that acts as the aphrodisiac for some women.

 

[molly1255]

Thanks. And NanZDrew said the truck was apparently last there on Friday (too late to edit my post).

So, no new light shed on anything since he didn’t necessarily have to unbolt the hatches. Maybe he did some preparing on Friday, maybe not.

IIRC, I think CW took Friday off work, because Shanann was in AZ.

 

[molly1255]

I recall NK's phony statements to LE on how she sent CW to North Carolina with a mission to work on his marriage, all the while sending him "hot selfies" that he hid in his secret app.

I also recall the incredible hostility in her voice in her interview when she said something to the effect of not telling her friends about CW because he was with (I believe she saying laying with) another woman when he was in NC.

 

[FairM1]

What interests me is the fact he took a polygraph knowing full well he would fail but then when he did fail he still tried to lie saying he didn't know where they were and he just wanted them to come home, he clearly wasn't so traumatized he didn't remember because once he saw his dad he told first the story about his wife killing the girls , then eventually the truth about what he did.

psychopath? sociopath? certainly an introvert , beware the quiet man.

 

[FairM1]

Charles Manson was not exactly Marlon Brando, either, and yet he had quite a group of followers, even a fiancée, when incarcerated. I think it is the “fame” factor that acts as the aphrodisiac for some women.

there is definitely something "not right" with women who worship men who murder and rape etc no doubt CW will have his fan club who write to him etc now for the rest of his life, it's beyond sick IMO

 

[kiwilaura]

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RSBM. Maybe this goes to motive? NK wanted to give CW a son, and CW had an obsession with "the firsts". Like you say, no wonder he wanted Shanann to wait before she revealed she was carrying a boy. He was never going to give her the chance. This is a lightbulb moment for me. I always thought the pregnancy formed part of the motive, but now I wonder about it being specifically because Shanann was carrying a boy. Maybe wrong, but wow, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

[Snipped by me]

Thank you very much. I did not see it.

So, Chris Watts as the child had imaginary world. That explains a lot.

My theory, at one point during the relationship with NK he started intensely fantasizing about his family somehow disappearing (Shanann running away, or something else), and him moving in with NK and living happily ever after. Keeping everything, the house, all his perfect life, minus Shanann and the girls. I wonder if he started thinking about it after that day when he looked at NK and said, “I never met anyone like you”.

His imaginary world grew on himself. I thought I knew why he was mad at Shanann, after all, family life is rocky, especially if you have a lover, but why was he feeling rage towards the girls was beyond my comprehension.

Now I think that he was enraged with all of them, because they were still present in reality, while in his imagination they were long gone.

I think he started preparing to “something” close to the time they were to come back from NC, but he did not have a firm plan. And I believe that he killed SW during an argument, but he was mentally so prepared, that the argument was merely an accelerant.

So he did whatever he dreamed of, removed them from the house, to empty it, so that NK could move in.

Perhaps he did not kill the kids in the house specifically so that NK could later move in. (He knew she’d have suspicions).

MOO

This, exactly. It seems a running theme is he was habitually enraged thru out the marriage because he expressed annoyances in the marriage, the videos. He said he was content being in the background and he never felt belittled. He never expresses they were headed towards a divorce but states if he had resisted NK he would still be in his marriage , one that he did not feel was a bad marriage prior to NK. It was either Lee or Coder that first suggested rage and CW said “ it must have been, that is all I can think of” yet he could not say why he was in a rage, I believe because as you stated, he had thoughts of them being gone and this was opportunity before his world imploded. He also did a 180 on the need to look for an apartment which lends towards him having thoughts of premedation.