CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[Uninformant]

Maybe he didn’t do it. Maybe he solicited someone else. Maybe the person who resembled him entering her house wasn’t really him. Maybe the carting baby around in front of cameras was to establish alibi. Maybe money he withdrew from bank was to give to killer in exchange for proof, like teeth or something. Maybe killer took body and PF returned to the condo to check things out, saw the mess and decided he didn’t want to deal with it. Maybe he made up the bat story and ridiculous amount of detail to make KK feel bad for not doing it herself in a more humane way. Maybe he was gaslighting her and scaring her with the tote and fire.

 

[ilovechili]

I just can’t wrap my head around her being available at any date to travel that distance (she’s got kids too), (b) of she was so afraid of PF why she lied to police about knowing him (bc if ever there was a time to be safe) (c) why go to the Sonic you’ve been regularly seen at with PF (unless she was waiting for further instructions) (d) The crime scene clean up gear. Like you, I’m open bc we are sleuthing stuff. I just think any jury will look at her like a jail house snitch.
I’m hopeful bc your posts are so demonstratively emphatic that her testimony won’t be a bad thing.

There so far are no facts to demonstrate her whereabouts during the murder nor time preceding it. We all have opinions but that is all they are, nothing anyone says is a statement of fact with regard to her whereabouts to my knowledge. You bring up some very good points and each and every one is one a jury will ask. It will all come down to what they have. And if they don't have her on camera very far away at the correct time, I for one will have a problem with that. I also want to know where she was on the 21st and the last time she allegedly was in Colorado. If one could have what they wish for.

I too have likened her to a jailhouse snitch and juries do not like them. There is generally something in it for them which gives them an incentive--and there was something in it for KK--a sweet deal. We know in neither case do they tell out of the moral goodness of their heart. In her case, she had plenty of chances to save a life if she cared one bit about what was going to happen to KB and she continued to lie after. She is a tainted witness.

jmo.

 

[ilovechili]

Up on Cripple Creek she sends me, if I spring a leak she mends me.
I don't have to speak, she defends me
A drunkards dream if I ever did see one.
lyrics from the song- Cripple Creek by The Band
I think they speak well of the citizens we have seen and heard so far.

It could have been written for this case...

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Never mind.

 

[ilovechili]

I thought I understood the 11/22 timeline and the comings and goings from KB's home and the reasons for them. I had thought PF murdered Kelsey between when he returned to her condo from his alibi-making appearance at Walmart and before he phoned KKL and SF, around 4:00 - 4:30. I thought he stayed at KB's during all that interval. But after reading Gardner's timeline (thank you!) I'm now perplexed about the "3:13 PM Walmart" transaction that is listed. Does that mean that he made a SECOND trip to Walmart that afternoon, or that is when his earlier trip posted to his bank account? I thought store transaction time stamps indicated the time of the purchase, but maybe not? If there was a SECOND trip to Walmart, what was that for? That certainly couldn't have been to bolster his untrue timeline of lies, I wouldn't think. If there was a second trip, did he commit the murder before it, or after it? Can anyone explain his 3:13 Walmart transaction? TIA.

This one bothers me as well. It was a holiday and perhaps took that long to post but I thought Walmart was pretty instant, however, maybe there was a hold until it cleared?

I note with interest too that it simply says his card was used, it does not say he was seen.

Food for thought...

 

[ilovechili]

Every account from KK reference picking up and dropping off at the gate. Keys, pipes, etc.

I know. Just another strange thing and seems to be just another thing where it cannot be verified where she was or when, if even true. No witnesses (like had she went up to the house and ma was there or someone). Why would he even provide a pipe, etc.? If he was trying to set her up or get her to do it then why be the one to provide the weapon and have her come to your house?

smh

 

[jaspermac]

I don't think it was hazmat wear. It was described as a white suit or something like that. Maybe it was one of those white one piece cover ups you would wear into the OR. It would completely cover the body and it is disposable. I still have one from when my daughter had surgery.
Or it could have been whatever the surgeons or nurses wear in the OR. Imo

Yes it was from the hospital she said and she brought them home to paint, along with hair nets, gloves etc. Not sure I buy that story. Maybe the cover up outfit, but I don't know a woman who would put her hair up in an hairnet to paint, its just not attractive. I would rather get some paint in my hair...

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Patrick Freeze picks up supplies before Kelsey Berreth was bmurdered, was speaking to third woman | Daily Mail Online

PICTURED: Patrick Frazee picks up supplies just before Kelsey Berreth was beaten to death as it is revealed he contacted THIRD woman after murder - who lives 10 miles from the last location of missing mom's cell
Court documents show that Frazee was also in contact with a third woman from Idaho, who lives 10 miles from where Berreth's phone last pinged

• • That number called Frazee 10 minutes after Berreth's phone last registered on November 25 near Malad Gorge State Park in Ida
  • On his way out of the home, Frazee called both his mistress Krystal Jean Kenney and his mother Sheila Frazee, though they were not the only two women the accused killer spoke to over the next few days.
    
    Court documents show that Frazee was also in contact with a third woman from Idaho.

 

[Elley Mae]

He also said Frazee called his mother before calling a phone number in Idaho. Slater said that phone call was important to the case because it was close to where Berreth's phone was last pinged.

Kenney says the tote was stored at Nash Ranch before being moved back to Frazee's property, where the fire was started. Kenney said Frazee's mother went outside on the porch to see what was going on.

https://www.krdo.com/news/details-r...or-kelsey-berreth-s-alleged-killer/1029075647

....

Finally found who he called first after the murder, it was mom.

 

[?mysterian?]

This one bothers me as well. It was a holiday and perhaps took that long to post but I thought Walmart was pretty instant, however, maybe there was a hold until it cleared?

I note with interest too that it simply says his card was used, it does not say he was seen.

Food for thought...

Hopefully, LE can account for this, whether it's just a system delay in reporting the transaction, or whatever. If he went back, they'd have him on video.

 

[Livelove61364]

JMO and thinking out loud, please forgive anything I have missed, the flu sucks!

In re: CC's Dateline comments concerning rehab. I'm in NO WAY defending this old man, who appears to need to lay off the sauce himself! However, could the story the PF told him, been part of this plot all along? We already know about the "drug poisoning theory", so in my mind this could play out in a very sinister world.

In re: the service provider being able to come up with deleted texts. From what I gathered they had/have Verizon. A quick Google search provides the answer. https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-retrieve-deleted-text-messages-on-verizon-cell-phones
I'm pretty sure, any service provider, has this obligation when it comes to the FBI!

 

[?mysterian?]

Yes it was from the hospital she said and she brought them home to paint, along with hair nets, gloves etc. Not sure I buy that story. Maybe the cover up outfit, but I don't know a woman who would put her hair up in an hairnet to paint, its just not attractive. I would rather get some paint in my hair...

Yeah, and I doubt she went through proper channels and bought the hospital supplies. I truly hope they fired her. She deserves nothing less.

 

[Elley Mae]

Cripple Creek sounds like a duet between Miranda Lambert and Blake Shelton (like if they recorded it right now this very day).

The Band - Levon Helm vocals

 

[PommyMommy]

Patrick Freeze picks up supplies before Kelsey Berreth was bmurdered, was speaking to third woman | Daily Mail Online

PICTURED: Patrick Frazee picks up supplies just before Kelsey Berreth was beaten to death as it is revealed he contacted THIRD woman after murder - who lives 10 miles from the last location of missing mom's cell
Court documents show that Frazee was also in contact with a third woman from Idaho, who lives 10 miles from where Berreth's phone last pinged

• • That number called Frazee 10 minutes after Berreth's phone last registered on November 25 near Malad Gorge State Park in Ida
  • On his way out of the home, Frazee called both his mistress Krystal Jean Kenney and his mother Sheila Frazee, though they were not the only two women the accused killer spoke to over the next few days.
    
    Court documents show that Frazee was also in contact with a third woman from Idaho.

Also from the article:

"The relationship between Frazee and that woman is unclear, and she is not a suspect and never been identified as a person of interest in the case.

She was however just a few miles away from where Berreth’s phone pinged in Idaho on November 25, and contacted Frazee at the exact time the missing mother’s cellular was registered by a nearby tower.

The woman, 39, has also been employed in the medical field, so there is a chance she may have been a friend of Frazee’s mistress, Kenney.

At 5.14pm on November 25, Berreth’s phone pinged a tower near the off ramp for Malad Gorge State Park.

It is never registered again after that point, and 10 minutes later Frazee is called from the woman’s phone, who lives less than 10 miles away from the park."

Final stop: That number called Frazee 10 minutes after Berreth's phone last registered on November 25 near Malad Gorge State Park in Idaho (file photo of park above)

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes it was from the hospital she said and she brought them home to paint, along with hair nets, gloves etc. Not sure I buy that story. Maybe the cover up outfit, but I don't know a woman who would put her hair up in an hairnet to paint, its just not attractive. I would rather get some paint in my hair...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she didn't bring all that stuff home to paint.
I bet she didn't look so attractive decked out in all that attire while she was cleaning up, though. Imo

 

[Rockymtnmermaid]

I'm probably going to be blackballed for saying this but I feel like Cripple Creek is getting a bad rap with everyone! I've been up there probably about 20 times in the 6 years I've lived in Colorado and I have always had a blast there. It's just a tiny little town jammed packed with casinos. If you google pictures of Cripple Creek, the main drag is all there is to it, but it's so fun! Also, I don't believe that PF would hang out there very often. It's a good 30 min drive over a very steep mountain pass and very narrow 2 lane road that is extremely difficult to navigate when sober much less after tying one on. I've always used a DD when going up there to have a few drinks while gambling. IMO if the county courthouse were not located in Cripple Creek, which I'm shocked that it is, but I don't think Cripple Creek would be receiving the attention (mostly negative) that it is getting. I think this case is shedding a bad light on one of my favorite little mountain towns. PF would be much more inclined IMO to be a regular in towns like Florissant, which is a lot closer to the Franch and not such a cumbersome drive. Have a good day everyone, I'm off to pull another 12 hour shift.

 

[Kapua]

Yes it was from the hospital she said and she brought them home to paint, along with hair nets, gloves etc. Not sure I buy that story. Maybe the cover up outfit, but I don't know a woman who would put her hair up in an hairnet to paint, its just not attractive. I would rather get some paint in my hair...

I put my hair up to paint, and cover it with a piece of fabric. I am not the neatest painter and getting paint out of hair can be challenging. Oh, and when I am painting, I'm not trying to look attractive. I'm just trying to get the job done. JMHO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yeah, and I doubt she went through proper channels and bought the hospital supplies. I truly hope they fired her. She deserves nothing less.

I'm sure she just grabbed what she could. She would not have needed an entire box of supplies. I know people who take that kind of stuff when they have spent time in a hospital or ER. Some people even take hospital blankets. Imo

 

[ilovechili]

He didn’t have the time but he could have killed her and left her there. Once KK gets there she could have dismembered KB. As part of the clean up. By that point it wouldn’t have been messy. There is no blood flowing at that point. I hate that I know all of this. The one I couldn’t save was named Charlotte Murray Pace. We had a mutual sorority sister in common. That was the case I spoke about I got so involved with. Because she was a fellow Kappa Delta I felt like I needed to follow up on what happened to her. Her murder was what they call overkill. She was stabbed over 80 times and kept fighting. Tried to jump out of a window. They estimate she fought close to half an hour or more and she did hurt him. My dad spoke with people who did the autopsy. The killer whose name is irrelevant to me (he died in prison) stabbed her and slit her throat and raped her while she was dying. Her roommate couldn’t even recognize her after walking in on her death. I bring this up bc her killer did this in broad daylight and left. He then managed to do this to other girls after. I don’t necessarily think PF had that much blood on him. But what I think doesn’t matter.

You are not alone in some of your thoughts. And there are many questions. Some think they are wrapped up and all makes sense; others don't. I am a questioner myself. I don't like it when dots do not connect. And I really do not like when some of the dots come from those that have lied.

We have no proof he took her out the day of Thanksgiving. None. It does not mean proof may not exist but we have no such evidence that we have seen nor heard thus far. Your point about no blood in the body after a day or two was interesting. As is your point that it would not be easy to put her in a tote. They cannot do a time of death. There is no way they could. Except on the word of one, or the other or both of the liars.

There are also hints now of PF being back to KB's on the 23rd, and hints that he may have been with KK at the unit on the 24th and possibly at the Sonic with her as well. We also then find he was at this Slagle's like day after day yet no mention is made of that in what KK was told. Thus far anyhow. Lots to question...

I for one do not think this is going to be wrapped up in a pretty bow for the jury, I think they will try. I think the prosecution will do their best with the facts they have, the lying star witness who was involved and to make it as linear and factual as possible. Yet even when they show pings and so forth that jury is going to think of phones traveling with the wrong person (KB's), burner phones, lies, borrowed cars, etc. They have their work cut out for them with this case and to get a jury to believe this crazy story and it is crazy. Because as much as they try to make it clear, the defense will come in and muddy and poke holes. And they have plenty to do that with.

From what we know so far. imho.

 

[Kapua]

I'm probably going to be blackballed for saying this but I feel like Cripple Creek is getting a bad rap with everyone! I've been up there probably about 20 times in the 6 years I've lived in Colorado and I have always had a blast there. It's just a tiny little town jammed packed with casinos. If you google pictures of Cripple Creek, the main drag is all there is to it, but it's so fun! Also, I don't believe that PF would hang out there very often. It's a good 30 min drive over a very steep mountain pass and very narrow 2 lane road that is extremely difficult to navigate when sober much less after tying one on. I've always used a DD when going up there to have a few drinks while gambling. IMO if the county courthouse were not located in Cripple Creek, which I'm shocked that it is, but I don't think Cripple Creek would be receiving the attention (mostly negative) that it is getting. I think this case is shedding a bad light on one of my favorite little mountain towns. PF would be much more inclined IMO to be a regular in towns like Florissant, which is a lot closer to the Franch and not such a cumbersome drive. Have a good day everyone, I'm off to pull another 12 hour shift.

Population 1,175, according to Wikipedia. Wow.