Found Deceased Dominican Republic - Orlando Moore & Portia Ravenelle, from NY on vacation, April 2019

[Stunned]

The amount of rust bothers me. Are they sure this is the car? Sorry....but something..

 

[ilovechili]

The phone stood out to me. In that surf???? Nah! IMO

I know, right? It is cracked with an opening, give me a break, that surf water gets under and all of the glass comes off no doubt. One does not have to be an expert of any kind to think uh, okay, I just do not think so... Just watch, it will come out that it was not found in the water or near the car as we have been led to believe... I am predicting...

 

[human]

Where is my VIN? - CarMD

 

[human]

As I was driving tonight, I realized there could have been a car with its brights on either behind or coming the other way. Some of those brights are unbearable

 

[?mysterian?]

This is probably a repost, but this video shows the vehicle remnants better and it's from ListinDiario, which appears to be a DR news source

 

[ilovechili]

This is probably a repost, but this video shows the vehicle remnants better and it's from ListinDiario, which appears to be a DR news source

I had not seen this before. This shows the best views yet especially if one puts it in full screen.

Thank you for providing it.

 

[?mysterian?]

I had not seen this before. This shows the best views yet especially if one puts it in full screen.

Thank you for providing it.

You're welcome. There's not a tire or wheel to be seen, or even axles that I can tell. I'm with you, where did they find the VIN on this wreckage? If this is a notorious area for wrecks, I have even more questions.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

This is probably a repost, but this video shows the vehicle remnants better and it's from ListinDiario, which appears to be a DR news source

That is just crazy.... I know it's been in "the blender", but really? After just 2 weeks?

 

[ilovechili]

You're welcome. There's not a tire or wheel to be seen, or even axles that I can tell. I'm with you, where did they find the VIN on this wreckage? If this is a notorious area for wrecks, I have even more questions.

I know what you mean. I see no way the VIN could be there or easily read... The tires and parts missing throw me as well. However, then I try to think of someone trying to get a car into the ocean without tires and that does not seem like it would be easy either lol. I can see it being done in a few ways but I just do not know how likely those ways are. Any thoughts on that? I guess professionals could strip a car pretty quickly and push it over... Car theft is a major crime as are car theft rings there I read when researching.

Do you recall the year, make and model of vehicle they rented?

It could be the right vehicle but still how did it get there, what caused this and when... And the condition and what is missing just seems odd... Four tires, many parts, the hood, some of these things have to have been found, no?

 

[?mysterian?]

Ok, bear with me here, I've got several things to link, and I'm a hunt-and-peck typer. This dump truck wrecked on March 25 at what appears to be the same site OM's and PR's rental vehicle was located, kilometer 19 on the Autopista Las America. Look at the water depth.Un muerto y dos heridos tras caer al mar un camión en la autopista Las Américas

ETA: well, other photos I located by searching for images of " kilometro 19 Autopista las America Dominican Republic" show the same truck at lower tide with more vehicle showing. The websites are questionable, so I'm not linking them. But other photos of that location are there. It doesn't appear to be deep, relatively speaking. The earlier linked photos of the divers showed them without air tanks, but I thought I saw a diver with a snorkel. If it's so shallow there, what caused all that damage? The tides?

 

[ilovechili]

Ok, bear with me here, I've got several things to link, and I'm a hunt-and-peck typer. This dump truck wrecked on March 25 at what appears to be the same site OM's and PR's rental vehicle was located, kilometer 19 on the Autopista Las America. Look at the water depth.Un muerto y dos heridos tras caer al mar un camión en la autopista Las Américas

Wow, wth is going on here? A man died as well, I am not fluent but I can determine that much from the article. And yes, that depth is not what I expected...

 

[?mysterian?]

I know what you mean. I see no way the VIN could be there or easily read... The tires and parts missing throw me as well. However, then I try to think of someone trying to get a car into the ocean without tires and that does not seem like it would be easy either lol. I can see it being done in a few ways but I just do not know how likely those ways are. Any thoughts on that? I guess professionals could strip a car pretty quickly and push it over... Car theft is a major crime as are car theft rings there I read when researching.

Do you recall the year, make and model of vehicle they rented?

It could be the right vehicle but still how did it get there, what caused this and when... And the condition and what is missing just seems odd... Four tires, many parts, the hood, some of these things have to have been found, no?

This SEE IT: Dominican divers find car of doomed vacationing New York couple in waters off steep cliff reports that vehicle was a Kia Rio but doesn't give the year.

 

[thelesis]

I would just point out their police commander also stated they did not know who was driving for sure. While there may have been alcohol consumed, we do not know yet and they don't either that it played any part in this, that she had any, etc. or how much, if any either had, there is not one bit of documentation. The trek had been largely traveled without any trouble we know of. It is right up there with sensationalism and insinuation directed at the victims and still with not one shred of documentation. It seems like victim shaming to me when this is a tragedy. The same truly applies to speed, not a bit of documentation that we have seen nor that these articles contain. If this is all that is necessary for such an article and headline, let me give them some of our speculations without supporting documentation of what also could have happened.

Just saying... I have felt like that since seeing it the other day. Still waiting for check-out time and video by the way... Just sayin'....

Just my opinion.

Reading media articles from various countries over the years, law enforcement in the US is very, very open with the media. They're the anomaly. LE in other countries keep things closer to the vest and don't release all the details in an investigation. If you're used to having every little detail of an investigation made public to pore over, the lack of communication can seem like incompetence as opposed to prudence.

 

[?mysterian?]

This is reported to be the tollbooth photo of their car. Notice the time stamp. 01:27:36. Different than what was reported. Car of missing couple seen at tollbooth

ETA: Maybe it's a different tollbooth than the Marbella tollbooth. IDK.

 

[?mysterian?]

Reading media articles from various countries over the years, law enforcement in the US is very, very open with the media. They're the anomaly. LE in other countries keep things closer to the vest and don't release all the details in an investigation. If you're used to having every little detail of an investigation made public to pore over, the lack of communication can seem like incompetence as opposed to prudence.

I haven't read the articles because I'm not fluent, but I've been surprised by how many photos are available from news sources.

 

[ilovechili]

This SEE IT: Dominican divers find car of doomed vacationing New York couple in waters off steep cliff reports that vehicle was a Kia Rio but doesn't give the year.

Thank you so much! I thought maybe you knew the make and model, I did not mean to make you go searching for me.

 

[ilovechili]

Reading media articles from various countries over the years, law enforcement in the US is very, very open with the media. They're the anomaly. LE in other countries keep things closer to the vest and don't release all the details in an investigation. If you're used to having every little detail of an investigation made public to pore over, the lack of communication can seem like incompetence as opposed to prudence.

I can understand that but then again, some things are reported, just no documentation shared, or that which fits their narrative this far anyhow. If they are keeping their investigation close then it is odd they have given a scenario at all until the investigation is complete. Imo anyhow.

 

[ilovechili]

This is reported to be the tollbooth photo of their car. Notice the time stamp. 01:27:36. Different than what was reported. Car of missing couple seen at tollbooth

14 minutes different, can no facts provided in this case ever be the truth? So they were earlier than stated. Blurry picture, not surprised. They had stated it was a picture from the rear so that matches up with what was said.

 

[osu]

(Translated by Google)

They wait for answer of the FBI on death of tourists in Dominican Republic
April 16, 2019


NEW YORK - Congressmen Adriano Espaillat, representative of the 13th district and Eliot Engel of the 16th district, are still waiting for the response from the FBI director, Christopher Wray, to whom they sent a letter asking him to order an investigation into the suspicious deaths in the Dominican Republic of the tourist couple of Orlando Moore and Portia Ravenelle, on March 27, in a supposed traffic accident, when they were heading to the Las Américas International Airport / doctor José Francisco Peña Gómez from Samaná, to return to their residence in the Suburb of Mount Vernon in New York.


Espaillat told this reporter that the FBI response could take several days to decide his involvement in the investigation.

~snip


Esperan respuesta del FBI sobre muerte de turistas en República Dominicana - CDN - El Canal de Noticias de los Dominicanos

 

[?mysterian?]

This UPDATE: Bodies found resembling missing tourists, last seen in the Dominican Republic is reported to be their car. Notice time stamp 01:41:10. That's the time they were reported to be at the Marbella tollbooth. I don't know what the difference is in both photos I've posted, same tollbooth or different ones, just found those photos and thought I'd add them, sorry if they've already been linked.