ND - Several bodies found at Mandan business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest* #2

[Blondie in Spokane]

I think the woman was the target since her throat was cut and the others weren't. Her and CI are close in age, maybe they crossed paths (wether she's a patient of his or not) and he felt rejected, disrespected or something? Of course that's no excuse.

Jmo

I tell ya, I’m at a loss here as to motive, but this is the way I’m leaning as well.

 

[NervousNellie]

But so far no one has any idea his connection to the employees at the rental agency. I don't think the man who committed the Superbike murders had any connection just felt he was ripped off.

Todd Kohlhepp definitely had motive (in his opinion) and connection, in that he was a customer (who never returned calls to the police following the murders).

From this article: Todd Kohlhepp and Superbike: Doubts, no doubt, how and why

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“I was inexperienced and I thought it was a bad decision and maybe wanted to trade for maybe a 600 (motorcycle),” Kohlhepp said according to a statement dictated to Spartanburg County Sheriff's Office Investigator Tom Clark around 8 p.m. on Nov. 5. “They were rude to me about how to ride a bike. They droped (sic) it off at the apartment, so they knew where it was stored. Two to three days later it was stolen. I made a police report. Insurance came out. I lost a $1,000 deductible.”

Kohlhepp started attending classes at Greenville Technical College soon afterward and began to want a motorcycle again. He returned to shop at Superbike, where he said an employee implied they were involved in his first bike’s theft.

“I let it slide for the time being,” Kohlhepp said according to his dictated statement. “Got mad about it. Kept going out there sitting on the bikes and listening to the owner and the manager basically talk trash. Bought a Beretta 92S 9mm. I had three 10-round magazines.”
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[ilovechili]

What you said, but also that he has not obtained an attorney. Of any kind?? Why?? Would you not want someone working diligently on your defense as soon as possible? Assuming he is going to have some type of defense planned, as he has not pled guilty. Of course he can always represent himself which would lead me to believe he has some type of mental illness. Maybe a psychotic break, I don't know I am completely baffled

That is odd re the attorney. I doubt he has the funds to pay one of his own for long if he did retain one. We shall see I guess at the next hearing.

Representing himself would not be a good move but he would not be the first to ever do so if he did. It sure is not something we see very often though.

Maybe he is hoping or waiting for family to come through and help or has to dispose of some assets to pay a retainer? Maybe he thinks the national attention of this crime will bring him an attorney who offers to take it on just for the public exposure?

 

[ilovechili]

Since seeing the Superbike thing and then reading up on some of it, my thoughts have turned significantly from where they were.

It could be so simple that he, as another business owner and tenant, was not recognized by an RJR employee when out and about in town. It could be so simple as he called or was in the office at some point in time and was asked "who are you and what is your name" when he felt he should be known and recognized... In his perception anyhow.

Total speculation on my part but that case just struck me, four people, over an apparent perceived disrespect.

Todd Kohlhepp also joked about it, compared it to a video game that once started the focus is the same, it was accomplished in less than ten minutes. He joked that maybe the attention to the case would make his "real estate business" better known. So we have a "business owner" there too or someone who thought he was...

Again, total speculation but the similarities are eerie to me. Kohlhepp did receive a form letter from LE, all known customers did, but he was never on LE's radar nor the radar of the owner's wife nor other employees/customers. (The owner's wife went through **** and back and went through DNA tests TWICE that said her child she was pregnant with at the time of the murders was not the child of her dead husband--he WAS, they had mixed up the evidence and labeling of DNA of two of the fatalities when processing the scene. A great grandmother died never knowing whether the child was her grandson's or not and whether the wife was responsible.)

In this Mandan case, the perp was caught and security cams played a part. With Kohlhepp, they did not have that. I am thankful in this one because it looks like CI would not necessarily ever be on the radar but for such things either as there seems to be no obvious motive nor would he be of any more notice than anyone else. Had Kohlhepp not confessed, I do not think that one would be solved and it would not be LE's fault, that is how random it was--he was a customer though--but with no real reason that anyone was aware of, except for his perception of how he was treated... We tend to think people do not kill over something most would see as minor...

Unless of course, LE knows of a motive that we do not.

Again, total speculation and jmo.

 

[Tillicum]

North Dakota company where 4 were slain seeks normalcy

Jackie Fakler's memories of arriving at the building that morning are bleak. She had planned to drive to work with her husband, Robert — they co-owned the business — but a last-minute decision sent him on ahead.

"I knew Robert was in there. I wasn't sure what happened," Fakler said. "I knew they were doing CPR on him. I did not know about the other three victims at the time. And then it was panic, doing a head count with all the employees — who was there, and who wasn't."

Fakler said at first she thought her husband had suffered cardiac arrest.

"But when I saw blood on the floor, I knew it wasn't a heart attack," she said.

More info at link.

 

[Simply Southern]

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IMO there's more to it than a simple rude remark. There's more of a connection. CI probably received rude remarks fairly often given his work history. He drove too far and planned too much - even though sloppy. If it was a rude remark, it had to have been extremely extremely harsh to warrant his sick brain to retaliate.

I had a Chiropractor, report an employee for being disrespectful because she didn't call him DR. We did not know he was a DR, he made a big stink with the corp. office trying to have her fired. Some folks DEMAND, their title be used.

Yes, the disrespectful theory could be a possibility.

 

[NumbersGal0906]

That is odd re the attorney. I doubt he has the funds to pay one of his own for long if he did retain one. We shall see I guess at the next hearing.

Representing himself would not be a good move but he would not be the first to ever do so if he did. It sure is not something we see very often though.

Maybe he is hoping or waiting for family to come through and help or has to dispose of some assets to pay a retainer? Maybe he thinks the national attention of this crime will bring him an attorney who offers to take it on just for the public exposure?

Robert Quick filed his appearance entry on the 16th, & his defense has moved forward in requesting Discovery. If you all look closely, they’ve requested Discovery from some type of “storage drive” that the State intends to use as evidence. I’m including the link to the NC Court Records search for anyone who wants to keep up with the Docket Entries http://publicsearch.ndcourts.gov/default.aspx

As far as paying for his attorney, I am going to guess that his parents have mortgaged everything they own to help with his defense. Unless Isaak has a stash of money of his own MOO

 

[ilovechili]

Robert Quick filed his appearance entry on the 16th, & his defense has moved forward in requesting Discovery. If you all look closely, they’ve requested Discovery from some type of “storage drive” that the State intends to use as evidence. I’m including the link to the NC Court Records search for anyone who wants to keep up with the Docket Entries http://publicsearch.ndcourts.gov/default.aspx

As far as paying for his attorney, I am going to guess that his parents have mortgaged everything they own to help with his defense. Unless Isaak has a stash of money of his own MOO

Thank you for this info. The storage drive is also interesting, one would think they do have a motive possibly, in just guessing at what it may contain anyhow.

 

[NumbersGal0906]

Thank you for this info. The storage drive is also interesting, one would think they do have a motive possibly, in just guessing at what it may contain anyhow.

“Storage Drive”....quite possibly the device housing the footage of Isaak entering/leaving the premises; and/or the the device housing the footage of him actually committing the murders.

Going after the “big gun” first so Quick can see what may be the irrefutable evidence that’s going to put Chad in jail for the rest of his life, and so that Quick can plan what type of defense to use so that he doesn’t wind up looking like a circus side show in the process. He’s going to be taking enough hits as it is in defending this guy MOO

 

[Kyshoegal]

NumbersGal, that would be my thought as well

 

[Via Marple]

“Storage Drive”....quite possibly the device housing the footage of Isaak entering/leaving the premises; and/or the the device housing the footage of him actually committing the murders.

Going after the “big gun” first so Quick can see what may be the irrefutable evidence that’s going to put Chad in jail for the rest of his life, and so that Quick can plan what type of defense to use so that he doesn’t wind up looking like a circus side show in the process. He’s going to be taking enough hits as it is in defending this guy MOO

That has to be it, I can't imagine how the hard drive in the office computer server with his rental records etc would be much use.

 

[ilovechili]

“Storage Drive”....quite possibly the device housing the footage of Isaak entering/leaving the premises; and/or the the device housing the footage of him actually committing the murders.

Going after the “big gun” first so Quick can see what may be the irrefutable evidence that’s going to put Chad in jail for the rest of his life, and so that Quick can plan what type of defense to use so that he doesn’t wind up looking like a circus side show in the process. He’s going to be taking enough hits as it is in defending this guy MOO

Of course. For some reason, my mind went to the search of his home and possibly personal PC and a storage drive. It makes far more sense by far though it is from security footage. I guess I have been so keyed on wondering what the motive is that I went where I wanted to go with my thoughts and did not stop to think about it.

In this case, I think it is going to be pretty difficult to come up with a defense or mount an effective one. It seems pretty cut and dried and that is just from what we know thus far.

I think they definitely have the "who" but I still want to know the "why".

 

[NumbersGal0906]

Of course. For some reason, my mind went to the search of his home and possibly personal PC and a storage drive. It makes far more sense by far though it is from security footage. I guess I have been so keyed on wondering what the motive is that I went where I wanted to go with my thoughts and did not stop to think about it.

In this case, I think it is going to be pretty difficult to come up with a defense or mount an effective one. It seems pretty cut and dried and that is just from what we know thus far.

I think they definitely have the "who" but I still want to know the "why".

Actually, those were my first thoughts too. Something off his computer, something on the hard drive, maybe an online journal like they discovered with Sol & he had the pages stored on there. Maybe his cell phone with texts, voice notes he’d left himself, whatever. Anything to do with the motive. Then it struck me that Quick doesn’t really care about the motive. He’s being paid to do his best to defend Chad, & IMO the motive wouldn’t be helpful at all to his defense.

He knows they have surveillance, I would imagine Chad isn’t being very cooperative as far as giving up information, & he needs to see for himself how clear the footage is, if it can be proven without a doubt it is Chad, & exactly what what it is they have on this surveillance. If the footage is clear, you can clearly see his face, clothing, him committing the acts, etc, there is going to be absolutely no defense.

I’d imagine if this is the case he’ll tell him it’s in his best interest to plead guilty. Since ND doesn’t offer the death penalty, I don’t think much would change in his sentencing regardless of if he were found guilty at trial, or just admitted to it. The outcome will still be the same, he’s still going to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

 

[sleuthin4fun]

Robert Quick filed his appearance entry on the 16th, & his defense has moved forward in requesting Discovery. If you all look closely, they’ve requested Discovery from some type of “storage drive” that the State intends to use as evidence. I’m including the link to the NC Court Records search for anyone who wants to keep up with the Docket Entries http://publicsearch.ndcourts.gov/default.aspx

As far as paying for his attorney, I am going to guess that his parents have mortgaged everything they own to help with his defense. Unless Isaak has a stash of money of his own MOO

With regards to his parents shelling out money for his defense, I could see that but have we even heard anything about his family?

 

[meanmaryjean]

Any updates? I'm not finding anything.

 

[Seattle1]

Robert Quick filed his appearance entry on the 16th, & his defense has moved forward in requesting Discovery. If you all look closely, they’ve requested Discovery from some type of “storage drive” that the State intends to use as evidence. I’m including the link to the NC Court Records search for anyone who wants to keep up with the Docket Entries http://publicsearch.ndcourts.gov/default.aspx

As far as paying for his attorney, I am going to guess that his parents have mortgaged everything they own to help with his defense. Unless Isaak has a stash of money of his own MOO

I think it's possible that Robert Quick also contracts with the Public Defender's office to provide defense as PD counsel.

This is a huge case to defend, and (private) legal cost for quad murder charge could bankrupt a wealthy individual. Certainly he wouldn't take his folks down that road (we'd hope).

MOO

About - Robert Quick Law

Immediately after graduating from Law School, I took and passed the North Dakota Bar Exam and moved to Bismarck, ND where I accepted a position working as a state-employed Public Defender. During this time, I had the opportunity to practice criminal defense exclusively, and really learn the trade with many excellent individuals. Our office handled everything from B Misdemeanor Minors in Possession of Marijuana to AA Felony Murder or GSI cases. My first solo Felony jury trial involved 14 counts of Attempted Murder.

From September 2008 until January 2013, I worked as a full-time Public Defender in the South Central Judicial District. My caseload ranged anywhere from 50 to 100+ open cases, with all types of felony and misdemeanor charges. It was a very rewarding experience, but after 4+ years, I desired to move on with my legal career and opened Robert Quick Law on January 14, 2013.

 

[Seattle1]

Robert Quick filed his appearance entry on the 16th, & his defense has moved forward in requesting Discovery. If you all look closely, they’ve requested Discovery from some type of “storage drive” that the State intends to use as evidence. I’m including the link to the NC Court Records search for anyone who wants to keep up with the Docket Entries http://publicsearch.ndcourts.gov/default.aspx

As far as paying for his attorney, I am going to guess that his parents have mortgaged everything they own to help with his defense. Unless Isaak has a stash of money of his own MOO

@NumbersGal0906 --Thanks for providing the updated Court docket/event record.

Beginning with 4/16 -- looks like standard procedures taking place.

Rule 16 Discovery Request goes both ways -- applies to both Prosecutor and also the Defendant.

Notice of Objection Pursuant to N.D.R. Evid 707(b) is also procedural and very much a "time sensitive" notice.

4/17/19 Discovery letter reg [registered mail] storage drive may be instructions for transmission of the electronic information requested in discovery.

Just the surveillance information alone in this case will be large files requiring large amount of data storage.

5/14/19 Preliminary Hearing/Arraignment was changed from 5/13/19 at 9AM to 5/14/19 at 3PM with Judge Gail Hagerty.

North Dakota Court System - RULE 16. DISCOVERY AND INSPECTION

RULE 16. DISCOVERY AND INSPECTION
Effective Date: 5/1/2017

(a) Disclosure of Evidence by Prosecuting Attorney.
[...]
(b) Defendant's Disclosure.
[...]

See link above for applicable evidence list for each Prosecution and Defense.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Published 4/9/19
Here is the audio message Pastor Jared preached today at the service for Robert Fakler, Adam Fuehrer, and Bill and Lois Cobb

 

[LietKynes]

Following.
Still puzzled about motive.
Or maybe there really isn't one ? As in, he was a psychopath waiting for a reason to unleash his rage and violence, and needed little or no excuse at all ?
Imagine the thoughts of his (former) patients/clients.

 

[katydid23]

Following.
Still puzzled about motive.
Or maybe there really isn't one ? As in, he was a psychopath waiting for a reason to unleash his rage and violence, and needed little or no excuse at all ?
Imagine the thoughts of his (former) patients/clients.

It is baffling. You'd think if there was a real beef between him and someone there, someone else would have known about it and it wouldn't be such a mystery anymore.

It is so odd that we still don't know.