OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#47

[Loomis124]

Are you referring to DVW, or talking about his cousin Wade (who is a brother to SW) ?

DVW

 

[Dudly]

Great post, gives us lots to think about. Just shows how important the all inclusive time lines are. Many thanks to all who have contributed to the time lines.
“We know the Wagner's were gone during the Friday May 12 and Saturday May 13 searches of their former Peeble's farm property and their trailers that were stored at the car lot.
They had sold their Peterson Rd. property in March and were not living on it during the searches.”

This makes it more clear to me that property sold in March, and sometime later, prior to May 12/13 their trailers and contents were stored at the nearby car lot.
Why would they have stored contents at car lot?
Why not logically take the trailers and contents to the Flying W Farm for storage.
Makes no sense to store family belongings on a strangers property. Does it.?
And now we know evidence was found in the well on that same property at a later date.

There is something here that we are not seeing/understanding. Something is missing.

There is a lot missing .

 

[rsd1200]

Severe heat and droughts of 2008, 2009, and 2010 played havoc with many lives in Southern and Southeastern
Ohio. One could only adjust to the conditions, when they were not the one in control.

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[Kyshoegal]

Hey guys, I have been pouring over the discovery, motions, etc for a few hours now and making notes. My brain is goo. I have a few questions I hope someone can help with..
A) There are 2 people mentioned in AW's discovery I am not familiar with nor have seen mentioned. Am I allowed to ask who those people are or can we have ZERO discussion of them? Trying to figure out how they are relative to this
B) DNA, I'm finding very little mention of it, where am I not looking ?? I have the latent print. I see boot prints, I see a report by a boot print & tire print specialist and I see standards were created for all the W boys, but not one for Angela.

The WVSP forensic lab processed most of that and only had a 3 pg. report? (if I remember it was 3 pgs.)
I've been reading through the NIOJ Forensic Guide and I hope I'm missing a lot here. I am not ready to tackle the electronic stuff yet, I just want information on DNA and tangible forensic right now please & thank you!!

 

[evelezrn]

Sorry but the link wont copy. This just in....

SCIOTO COUNTY, Ohio (WSAZ) -- A body was found in Scioto County Friday afternoon.

Ohio State Highway Patrol troopers tell WSAZ a woman was discovered dead near Rarden, Ohio.

The scene is on State Route 73. We're told it is "relatively close" to where human remains were found in Pike County Monday.

No other details are available right now.

We have a crew on the way.

Keep checking the WSAZ App for the latest information.

 

[evelezrn]

IMO... The above is not related to R/HHG murders but just IMO to show the high number of deaths by homicides in the region.

 

[Cool Cats]

Hey guys, I have been pouring over the discovery, motions, etc for a few hours now and making notes. My brain is goo. I have a few questions I hope someone can help with..
A) There are 2 people mentioned in AW's discovery I am not familiar with nor have seen mentioned. Am I allowed to ask who those people are or can we have ZERO discussion of them? Trying to figure out how they are relative to this
B) DNA, I'm finding very little mention of it, where am I not looking ?? I have the latent print. I see boot prints, I see a report by a boot print & tire print specialist and I see standards were created for all the W boys, but not one for Angela.

The WVSP forensic lab processed most of that and only had a 3 pg. report? (if I remember it was 3 pgs.)
I've been reading through the NIOJ Forensic Guide and I hope I'm missing a lot here. I am not ready to tackle the electronic stuff yet, I just want information on DNA and tangible forensic right now please & thank you!!

The prosecution has zero DNA on George 4 and no DNA is mentioned in the discovery documents that we have found so far on line. Because there is no DNA on GW4, I doubt there is any on the others. If there is, it has not been made known outside of the prosecution/defense etc.....

Let's be clear, Jake's DNA will be in Frankie's trailer if that is where Hanna used to live before moving into the new house because Jake lived with her on and off. Likewise, Jake's DNA will be in Dana's new house if Jake spent time in there when he was transporting his daughter back and forth.

Finding Jake's DNA under these general type circumstances won't prove anything. However, finding his DNA on one of the victim's bodies or clothing directly, or on a gun silencer, or on a forged custody document etc...... THAT TYPE of DNA could possibly prove something for the prosecution.

The prosecution does not need DNA evidence against any of the Wagners to prosecute them. GW4 was obviously indicted by the GJ and charged with 8 aggravated murders, 22 felony counts, without any of his DNA available as evidence against him.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

DVW

Hmm, do you have a link? TIA.

 

[Dudly]

BBM
According to the Wagner's pastor, the Wagner's wept over dogs. And of course they breed dogs.
So there is a strong affinity for dogs and you can see that in the way all the dogs were left alive and uninjured.

Keep in mind that dogs are pack animals. They run in a pack and they attack in a pack. They sleep in a dog pile. If one gets up and moves the others get up and move with it. If one goes to the bowl to eat the others go to eat also. If one runs for the car to get in and get a ride they all run for it.

Kind of like an enmeshed family.

I know this from the experience of having four (yes I said four) dogs that are four different breeds. A boxer/Boston terrier mix (Boxterrier) a Min Pin, A Cherweiner and a chihuahua.

JMO

The Wasp and Hornet Spray works, too.

 

[Dudly]

I do not want to offend anyone from Pike County but isn't there a lot of dead bodies turning up in and around that small area?

I live in a small town. We had one murder in 1926 ( a man shot another man over his wife) one murder in 1952 ( a man shot his wife) and another murder 63 years later in 2015 ( two men killed an older man while robbing him.) All were solved in a matter of hours. No dead bodies have ever turned up.

It just seems unusual all these murders and dead bodies turning up in a sparsely populated area like Pike county.

JMO

Never been a murder or dead body in the town I grew up in.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Sorry but the link wont copy. This just in....

SCIOTO COUNTY, Ohio (WSAZ) -- A body was found in Scioto County Friday afternoon.

Ohio State Highway Patrol troopers tell WSAZ a woman was discovered dead near Rarden, Ohio.

The scene is on State Route 73. We're told it is "relatively close" to where human remains were found in Pike County Monday.

No other details are available right now.

We have a crew on the way.

Keep checking the WSAZ App for the latest information.

That whole area is a dumping ground because they know they won’t get caught

 

[Cool Cats]

That whole area is a dumping ground because they know they won’t get caught

Put up trail cams. That is how they catch illegal trash dumping. If an area is known as a "dumping ground" then someone needs to be an advocate for surveillance. Even if you don't catch someone on camera dumping a body (or whatever) you can catch them coming and going and being in the general area.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

That whole area is a dumping ground because they know they won’t get caught

UPDATE | Body found in Scioto County


Rarden Creek Road. Garbage men found her this morning.

 

[Dudly]

I am in Canada, but registering a company is not free, JMO. There would be lawyers fees, and a annual tax return to be filed, if there was any income. So there must have been a good reason ( protecting assets and/or income from something, ie law suits). Also bad legal advice/bad business practices, trying to fix problems by setting up new legal entities, rather than get to the root of the problem. JMO

There was a lot of this going on.

 

[rsd1200]

Hey guys, I have been pouring over the discovery, motions, etc for a few hours now and making notes. My brain is goo. I have a few questions I hope someone can help with..
A) There are 2 people mentioned in AW's discovery I am not familiar with nor have seen mentioned. Am I allowed to ask who those people are or can we have ZERO discussion of them? Trying to figure out how they are relative to this
B) DNA, I'm finding very little mention of it, where am I not looking ?? I have the latent print. I see boot prints, I see a report by a boot print & tire print specialist and I see standards were created for all the W boys, but not one for Angela.

The WVSP forensic lab processed most of that and only had a 3 pg. report? (if I remember it was 3 pgs.)
I've been reading through the NIOJ Forensic Guide and I hope I'm missing a lot here. I am not ready to tackle the electronic stuff yet, I just want information on DNA and tangible forensic right now please & thank you!!

BBM
Are their initials SM and RW? Under OHLEG Audits?

 

[IceIce9]

That whole area is a dumping ground because they know they won’t get caught

It’s like the rural area just outside of Roselawn, Indiana, which was a popular place to dump bodies from Chicago. There is a state fish and game area called Willow Slough that was a dumping grounds for the Mafia back on the day.

 

[Kyshoegal]

The prosecution has zero DNA on George 4 and no DNA is mentioned in the discovery documents that we have found so far on line. Because there is no DNA on GW4, I doubt there is any on the others. If there is, it has not been made known outside of the prosecution/defense etc.....

Let's be clear, Jake's DNA will be in Frankie's trailer if that is where Hanna used to live before moving into the new house because Jake lived with her on and off. Likewise, Jake's DNA will be in Dana's new house if Jake spent time in there when he was transporting his daughter back and forth.

Finding Jake's DNA under these general type circumstances won't prove anything. However, finding his DNA on one of the victim's bodies or clothing directly, or on a gun silencer, or on a forged custody document etc...... THAT TYPE of DNA could possibly prove something for the prosecution.

The prosecution does not need DNA evidence against any of the Wagners to prosecute them. GW4 was obviously indicted by the GJ and charged with 8 aggravated murders, 22 felony counts, without any of his DNA available as evidence against him.

I am clear the prosecution does not need DNA evidence against any of the Wagner's to prosecute them & clear on the charges. Also aware Jake's DNA would in no way be an indication of guilt, unless it was on one of the bodies or murder weapon. When I mentioned DNA the other day I was told there was DNA, so I wanted to see if it in anyway indicated the type of DNA. I may not be very good a sleuthing but I am good at forensics and that's primarily where my interest lies. I wanted to get a better feel if the majority of the evidence is circumstantial or not. As I'm, sure you know CC, grand juries do not need a unanimous decision from all members to indict, just the majority. You also only hear one side of the evidence and testimony, so it usually takes much less for an indictment than it will for a conviction. As it should.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

It’s like the rural area just outside of Roselawn, Indiana, which was a popular place to dump bodies from Chicago. There is a state fish and game area called Willow Slough that was a dumping grounds for the Mafia back on the day.

There’s many more still out there I’m sure

 

[Cool Cats]

I am clear the prosecution does not need DNA evidence against any of the Wagner's to prosecute them & clear on the charges. Also aware Jake's DNA would in no way be an indication of guilt, unless it was on one of the bodies or murder weapon. When I mentioned DNA the other day I was told there was DNA, so I wanted to see if it in anyway indicated the type of DNA. I may not be very good a sleuthing but I am good at forensics and that's primarily where my interest lies. I wanted to get a better feel if the majority of the evidence is circumstantial or not. As I'm, sure you know CC, grand juries do not need a unanimous decision from all members to indict, just the majority. You also only hear one side of the evidence and testimony, so it usually takes much less for an indictment than it will for a conviction. As it should.

Sorry @Kyshoegal I was making a general reply and in no way thought you did not know about the implications of the DNA evidence in regards to this Case and in regards to the Wagner's guilt or innocence etc... Just a general statement on my part.

That's news to me that someone on here is claiming there is DNA evidence. I must have missed it. I am not aware of there being any DNA evidence on this Case--- that any of the media or general public would know of at this point in time.

Also, I am extremely interested in the circumstantial evidence in this case and I am glad you mentioned it, I have mentioned it before also. I believe, but only at this point in time until we learn more, that this is a circumstantial case.........Just My 2 Cents........

 

[Kyshoegal]

SorrySorry @Kyshoegal I was making a general reply and in no way thought you did not know about the implications of the DNA evidence in regards to this Case and in regards to the Wagner's guilt or innocence etc... Just a general statement on my part.

That's news to me that someone on here is claiming there is DNA evidence. I must have missed it. I am not aware of there being any DNA evidence on this Case--- that any of the media or general public would know of at this point in time.

But as you stated, the prosecution is fine without it.I

Also, I am extremely interested in the circumstantial evidence in this case and I am glad you mentioned it, I have mentioned it before also. I believe this is a circumstantial case....Just My 2 Cents....

Sorry if I was snappy, picking up my kids and trying to type in the driveway lol. JMO, I think this will depend on a few things. Who goes to trial first, clearly it makes sense to prosecute the one they have the most substantial case against first...but who is that? Jake had the most motive, but his discovery did not have as much evidence as AW, so does she go first? I have no idea. Do they move the trial? In death penalty cases they are usually very selective from the jury pool and lets face it, picking will be slim there. Especially when you are trying to seat for 4 different trials. I'm interested CC what your thoughts on that are, if you think they have a better chance of conviction in Pike Co or out? I'm conflicted on that one. And I think what we see once the evidence comes out in detail will tell us just how strong the case is.