Deceased/Not Found UK - Margaret Fleming, 19, Inverclyde, Scotland, 17 Dec 1999 *Guilty*

[bluebird69]

No trace of Margaret Fleming DNA on clothes

so none of margarets dna found on the clothing it is claimed she had previously worn. Although it sounds like it was communal clothing

 

[bluebird69]

Accused claimed missing woman was gangmaster

So now not only was poor margaret a gang master but also was a frustrated spy who used multiple different surnames. This is cringeworthy to read.

I wonder what connection the accused had to Wisbech, cambridgeshire

 

[Legally Bland]

Accused claimed missing woman was gangmaster

So now not only was poor margaret a gang master but also was a frustrated spy who used multiple different surnames. This is cringeworthy to read.

I wonder what connection the accused had to Wisbech, cambridgeshire

We found a bankruptcy notice earlier in the thread which mentioned Wisbech. I guess he lived there at some point.



Page 8225 | Issue 51415, 19 July 1988 | London Gazette | The Gazette

 

[Antonia]

Still astonished that Cairney has the nerve to claim that Margaret was a 'gangmaster', a 'frustrated spy', yet also "you could tell by looking at her that she's backwards".

Murder accused denied killing missing woman

 

[terry1974]

I don't think so, I'm useless with genealogy stuff, but apparently MC was about 60 when she passed. (Thanks to bluebird for the research.)

The thing I really want to see is the will/probate of MF's father. Unfortunately they don't seem to be available to order online like in England. From what I can find you physically have to go to the records office in Edinburgh.

Your questions on dealing with a deceased's estate you can apply for a copy of a will there

 

[bluebird69]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1Rr7_thulhUzAR84xCrfWE

Seems to be crawling along with very little reporting of the trial in the media. I was surprised to read that margaret was described as being 5ft 10 somehow I imagined her being shorter.

 

[Legally Bland]

A murder accused told police he had met missing Margaret Fleming in London 10 days before being charged in 2017.

Detectives searching for Margaret travelled to London following a police interview with Edward Cairney, from Inverkip.

But the High Court in Glasgow heard that CCTV from areas allegedly named by Mr Cairney showed no sign of her.

Accused 'met missing woman in London'

 

[Taskforce88]

A former police intelligence analyst found no evidence of phone calls or texts between missing Margaret Fleming and the carers accused of her murder.

No phone link to missing Margaret Fleming

 

[mumofboys93]

Hi all, newbie here but been following WS cases for a while.
Any ideas why the trial is progressing so slowly with hardly any media coverage?
I am so worried that Margaret has met her demise, I hope justice prevails either way.

 

[Legally Bland]

Hi all, newbie here but been following WS cases for a while.
Any ideas why the trial is progressing so slowly with hardly any media coverage?
I am so worried that Margaret has met her demise, I hope justice prevails either way.

Hi,

Not really sure why it's getting so little media coverage. It just seems really hit and miss in the UK.

I may be misremembering, bit I think the first trial seemed to get better coverage.

Although I do think trials with salacious details the more MSM reporting unfortunately.

 

[Lyndaloo]

The first trial definitely had far better media coverage, not sure of the reason for this. Yeah I too hope Justice prevails for Margaret, I believe those two are guilty as sin & have shown no remorse for their actions.

 

[Antonia]

Hi all, newbie here but been following WS cases for a while.
Any ideas why the trial is progressing so slowly with hardly any media coverage?
I am so worried that Margaret has met her demise, I hope justice prevails either way.

Information does seem to be very limited. I remember one day when it was reported that proceedings ended early because of Cairney's ill-health.
Margaret Fleming's carer 'didn't want police in home'

I'm inclined to suspect that it's being kept low profile because the circumstances should lead to investigation into how it was possible for Margaret's absence to go unnoticed by healthcare/social services/DWP for so long.

It appears that there are no measures in place to ensure that carers and accommodation for a vulnerable person are suitable, nor anything to ensure that a vulnerable person is seen face-to-face in 19 years. That seems to me to be a major failure of vulnerable people that should be reported on by the national media and acted on by the government immediately, rather than waiting for the outcome of the trial. (Sorry if I've said this before, but it still worries me - how many more similar cases of neglect might there be out there?)

 

[mumofboys93]

I believe that the fact the pair are so evasive speaks volumes - they have something to hide. I cannot comprehend how a vulnerable person could go unchecked for all that time. And if it weren’t for the new claim stating she was eating from a dog bowl, plus a persistent lady who flagged her concerns, how much longer would it have went?

Information does seem to be very limited. I remember one day when it was reported that proceedings ended early because of Cairney's ill-health.
Margaret Fleming's carer 'didn't want police in home'

I'm inclined to suspect that it's being kept low profile because the circumstances should lead to investigation into how it was possible for Margaret's absence to go unnoticed by healthcare/social services/DWP for so long.

It appears that there are no measures in place to ensure that carers and accommodation for a vulnerable person are suitable, nor anything to ensure that a vulnerable person is seen face-to-face in 19 years. That seems to me to be a major failure of vulnerable people that should be reported on by the national media and acted on by the government immediately, rather than waiting for the outcome of the trial. (Sorry if I've said this before, but it still worries me - how many more similar cases of neglect might there be out there?)

This worries me too. I doubt Margaret is the only case. Hopefully this flags up others that need looked at. The DWP have been clamping down on benefit claimants hard in recent years. Hopefully this won’t be allowed to happen again.

Poor Margaret, where are you

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Poor Margaret, where are you

Best guess?
Spirited away in the dead of night, on a boat from the back garden, weighted down in a bag or case with a few bricks, and dropped quietly into the middle of the sea. I think she died from beatings / neglect and I doubt she'll ever be found.

 

[mumofboys93]

Best guess?
Spirited away in the dead of night, on a boat from the back garden, weighted down in a bag or case with a few bricks, and dropped quietly into the middle of the sea. I think she died from beatings / neglect and I doubt she'll ever be found.

I believe you are spot on, unfortunately
Neither EC or A.J. are willing to give up any information.
It makes me feel sick to think that there were so many warning signs before she died, like the bound wrists etc.
Margaret has been failed.

 

[Jackpot1604]

I believe you are spot on, unfortunately
Neither EC or A.J. are willing to give up any information.
It makes me feel sick to think that there were so many warning signs before she died, like the bound wrists etc.
Margaret has been failed.

I can see AJ turning on EC to save her own skin, last year when the case collapsed she didnt apply for bail, even though EC did and was granted bail, safest place for her to be was locked up away from him!

 

[mumofboys93]

I can see AJ turning on EC to save her own skin, last year when the case collapsed she didnt apply for bail, even though EC did and was granted bail, safest place for her to be was locked up away from him!

I hope you are correct - the least Margaret deserves is the truth, justice and a proper burial. I think A.J. will be the one to crack and provide this information, or at least a very watered down version. She probably feels much safer in custody than with EC.

EC is a fantasist and very poor liar. A.J. seemed to have went along with it for so long hoping it wouldn’t catch up with them.
There’s a video interview of both of them on a news channel (can’t remember where!) and a journalist asks ‘what would you say to Margaret if she was here now/watching this’ or words to that effect. And A.J. stayed silent. That for me showed she was not in control and was used to EC taking the lead.

 

[Antonia]

This is the video clip of them (from BBC Scotland).

BBC News - Scotland, Margaret Fleming's carers speak for first time

 

[mumofboys93]

This is the video clip of them (from BBC Scotland).

BBC News - Scotland, Margaret Fleming's carers speak for first time

Thank you Antonia, that’s the one

 

[Jackpot1604]

I stay about 4 miles away from where this case is, they are as guilty as sin, this is what everyone in this area thinks as well, there has been no coverage all week of this case so I’m assuming that something has happened and maybe AJ Has cracked under the pressure, fingers crossed that we may find out what happened