VA - 12 Dead including shooter, VA Beach Municipal Center, 31 May 2019

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SeesSeas said:
another employee said he thought Craddock was in good standing at work and had never heard negative reports about him.
Virginia Beach shooting victims were veteran city employees
Joseph Scott, an engineering technician with the department of public works, said he had worked with Craddock before and had a brief interaction with him Friday. Scott said he saw him in the men’s restroom about five minutes before the shooting.

“He was in there brushing his teeth, which he always did after he ate,” Scott said. “I said ‘Hey, how you doing? What are you doing this weekend?’ It was just a brief conversation.”

Scott said he left for the day right after and learned of the shooting when a co-worker and then his son called him asking if he was OK.

“I couldn’t believe that it happened,” he said.

Scott said he worked in a different division from Craddock, whom he described as quiet, polite and a “nice guy.” Scott said he thought Craddock was in good standing at work and had never heard negative reports about him.
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So he hadn't been fired?
 
dspdenver said:
I didn't see anything in the media report of being in the Army National Guard suggesting that was a factor in *why* this shooting occurred, but it certainly suggests he had training and some proficiency in weaponry, which working at those other jobs does not. I would think any experience with weapons is relevant, whether that be military, hunting, frequent gun range practice or marksmanship competitions, etc.
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A common misconception is that being in the military - ANY military organization - implies a certain degree of proficiency with weapons. I had over 28 years and my only mandatory requirement was to shoot 30 rounds with a handgun in my initial training. That is not nearly enough for the average person to obtain any degree of proficiency. It requires the average person hours and possibly hundreds of rounds of shooting. And proficiency with a rifle doesn't translate to proficiency with a handgun which is more difficult to become proficient. I once worked with an O-4 who received no training on any weapon in boot camp as an enlisted because the gun range was being repaired. Later as an officer he was ill when they shot the handguns and they waived his shooting requirement. He bragged that he would do over 20 years in the military and NEVER shoot a gun. He did and that included a year of enlisted time in Da Nang during the Vietnam War. I had an Army master sergeant who reported to me in a joint command and he stated he had not fired a weapon in over 10 years at that time. Outside of the Marines, your average military person doesn't receive much training with firearms.
 
Several neighbors interviewed said his wife left him "some time ago".

Neighbors said he's a loner. Never saw him even carry in groceries. Doesn't smile or talk to neighbors.

Works out a lot. "Ripped." Drops "heavy" things in condo in the middle of the night. (Weight lifting?)

The caliber of his handgun used, the magazines ("extended"), and that a "silencer" or "suppressor" was used came out BEFORE the shooter's name or picture was public. How many other mass shootings has the caliber and model of gun been released so quickly? Before the name and picture of the gunman? Think hard.

Most MSM doesn't seem to feel any of that is relevant, but focuses on his National Guard training in OK years ago.
 
What I take home from all the coverage of mass shootings in the past couple of years is that the msm cannot be trusted to report anything truthfully, other than the number of victims and where the massacre happened.

The msm reporting literally rushes to slant every other piece of information in a particular ideological direction that supports their bias.

The victims quickly become props.
 
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And next we might be hearing an inference from "ripped", "jacked" and "works out" that maybe he was on steroids. Between things like this and the false rumor of his being fired (on CNN) and his military experience I can see the possibility for more media stories. And I haven't even touched the fact that you point out that the weapons "information" came out before his name.
 
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It seems like the ability to shoot without people realizing that there was a shooting is a huge issue.

The quiet aspect is even more terrifying to me.
 
JnRyan said:
And next we might be hearing an inference from "ripped", "jacked" and "works out" that maybe he was on steroids. Between things like this and the false rumor of his being fired (on CNN) and his military experience I can see the possibility for more media stories. And I haven't even touched the fact that you point out that the weapons "information" came out before his name.
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Usually it takes quite a while for the name to come out, doesn’t it?
 
There is a vast difference between a suppressor, and a silencer. Smoke "suppressors" are legal. Silencers are legal only in limited circumstances. Silencers DO NOT silence gunfire. It is most likely that he was using a smoke suppressor, but it's possible he had a silencer. The feds will know this right away, as all silencers have to be licensed. (Unless, of course, it's a homemade silencer made from something like an oil filter-- which would be obvious, and really only work once before it disintegrated.)

Any kind of silencer, or suppressor, on a 45 caliber was for the benefit of the gunman, to obscure the muzzle smoke, and to somewhat muffle the sound so he could keep shooting. Was the gunman wearing earmuffs or plugs?

In no way will a 45 caliber with a silencer, or smoke suppressor, "deaden" sound. Even a 22 caliber is loud without ear protection and with any kind of suppressor.
 
human said:
Who was firing?Police? Did he have something to suppress the sound or not?
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A sound suppressor reduces the sound. It doesn't silence it. A typical .45 handgun load produces a sound in the 155 to 165 decibel range. A suppressor reduces that by about 30 decibels to about 125 to 135 decibels. The horn on a train is anywhere from 130 to 150 decibels. The typical automobile horn is 110-120 decibels.
Even with a suppressor it still would be heard. That is why the proper term is a 'suppressor' and not 'silencer'.
 
The insidiousness of "suppressing" the information about shooters absolutely insures that the focus in the media is on the weapons used. Any any background even tangentially related to weapons purchase, training, or possession is typically highlighted by msm. The weapons are the focus going forward, NOT the murderous shooter, which IMO, is an intentional ideological ploy of the msm.

It's a useless tactic, IMO, that pretends to dissuade copycat shooting sprees. No spree shooter was ever dissuaded from shooting because the thought they wouldn't get "enough" publicity. Worse yet, IMO, suppressing information about shooters minimizes their social/ antisocial/ mental health issues. It PROTECTS the privacy of the shooter, over the victims.

So if media and LE won't talk openly about the shooters in these cases,, who they are, social/ antisocial / mental health issues, WHY they carried out a mass shooting, what's left to demonize? See how that works.
 
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By the way, a box of 45 caliber bullets is much heavier that you might expect.. A 45 cal pistol is also heavy (Average 27 oz empty)-- probably several (3+) pounds when loaded with a regular magazine. An extended mag makes the already heavy pistol much heavier.

It takes significant strength to keep lifting, aiming, and shooting a gun that heavy, even with a 2 handed grip.
 
IMO, it's extremely unlikely he was fired.

In almost all government jobs, there is a protocol for firing that typically includes presence of security in HR department during the firing conversation, instant surrender of key cards/ passes, and an escort off the property. LE is typically given a heads up by HR if there is a concern for violence. A lot of these protocols came about as a result of postal shootings, and massacres like San Bernadino.
 
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