Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[JLZ]

A diagnosis of a behavioural issue takes months to a year. WT was only being looked at by a community service worker within the month before he went missing and they can't make a diagnosis, only refer on for a more specialised review by a medical practitioner. I am not trying to pry into WT's medical history for the sake of it but to explore the idea if there could have been an underlying condition that may have endangered him that day. Wild guess here but I am guessing about epilepsy, due to the neighbor saying that the FFC had said, either he has hit his head and he can't reply or he has been taken. That would maybe indicate that he could have been prone to a seizure. Or even childhood diabetes. IMO

That's a jump IMO. Anyone can have a fall. I think it was natural for FFC to make the disjunction irrespective of a medical condition. He can't hear me because he's unconscious or else he isn't here, basically.

 

[sosocurious]

I have seen the smh article posted before except instead of the word POI it has used the word suspect. I think she had general cause to feel she was suspected by police by what the article that I posted said. A child who looked like WT and a woman that looked like her had their picture taken in QLD and police investigated it. Then her "friend" who she was applying for housing with, who had links to known POI's was put out in the MSM. I think at the very least it's a reasonable assumption to make that she thinks the police see her as a suspect. IMO

Wasn't the point made that the friend contacted the media?

 

[frogwell]

Wasn't the point made that the friend contacted the media?

No, Chris Ulhman said at the end of the interview to Tracey Grimshaw that KL thought that Australia should know or something like that, not necessarily that they had contacted ACA. Mind you if there was rapport with Taylor Auerbach, it's a possibility BGM thought it could be a good way to get out her side of the story and contacted him. IMO

 

[frogwell]

That's a jump IMO. Anyone can have a fall. I think it was natural for FFC to make the disjunction irrespective of a medical condition. He can't hear me because he's unconscious or else he isn't here, basically.

Yes it's a jump, but from my own lived experience, I thought her thought process was a jump as well. IMO

 

[bearbear]

A diagnosis of a behavioural issue takes months to a year. WT was only being looked at by a community service worker within the month before he went missing and they can't make a diagnosis, only refer on for a more specialised review by a medical practitioner. I am not trying to pry into WT's medical history for the sake of it but to explore the idea if there could have been an underlying condition that may have endangered him that day. Wild guess here but I am guessing about epilepsy, due to the neighbor saying that the FFC had said, either he has hit his head and he can't reply or he has been taken. That would maybe indicate that he could have been prone to a seizure. Or even childhood diabetes. IMO

yes, my immediate guess was epilepsy

 

[bearbear]

if william did have a medical condition apart from asthma why wasnt it mentioned at the inquest,
surely it would be an important factor?

 

[frogwell]

if william did have a medical condition apart from asthma why wasnt it mentioned at the inquest,
surely it would be an important factor?

for sure, good point

 

[sosocurious]

if william did have a medical condition apart from asthma why wasnt it mentioned at the inquest,
surely it would be an important factor?

The operator said she would note that. I was wondering if it was at that time that the ffc may have felt that she should identify William was in care.
Not a medical condition, but needed to be noted. Not a question 000 operators would routinely ask. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

The operator said she would note that. I was wondering if it was at that time that the ffc may have felt that she should identify William was in care.
Not a medical condition, but needed to be noted. Not a question 000 operators would routinely ask. imo

I wonder. FM said "He has [bleeped] and suffers from asthma every so often."

Possibly William has anxiety? Might go with other things that the FP have stated. He didn't wander, he liked to know where they were, he didn't like to climb high, etc.


"Many children in care will experience anxiety, often in a significant way. This can be a normal reaction to grief, loss and trauma and should not always be pathologised."
https://www.lwb.org.au/foster-care/...ession-and-anxiety/+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

 

[kiwi50]

Whatever it was that was bleeped out in 111 call, it must have not been considered significant to his disappearance, we knew about his asthma from the beginning. I’d have thought if he had epilepsy that could have been significant. Maybe ADHD but that could have also been important.

 

[papertrail]

yes, my immediate guess was epilepsy

Or severe asthma attack. 2 stressful events ....being put into trees to climb as detailed by FFC has detailed....may have triggered asthma. The MFC explained to copper in video about the wire fence ....that William would not climb that fence due to his limitations and asthma. It was only just over a metre high.

 

[papertrail]

Whatever it was that was bleeped out in 111 call, it must have not been considered significant to his disappearance, we knew about his asthma from the beginning. I’d have thought if he had epilepsy that could have been significant. Maybe ADHD but that could have also been important.

His full name and perhaps foster status and FFC name were beeped out weren't they?

 

[papertrail]

if william did have a medical condition apart from asthma why wasnt it mentioned at the inquest,
surely it would be an important factor?

It would be on file from FACS surely provided to Coroner. A lot of info is shared behind the scene and not discussed at Inquest. I believe the purpose of the Inquest is to get a decision whether William is alive or deceased. And to discover if there are further investigations by police that are required by the Coroner.

 

[papertrail]

The operator said she would note that. I was wondering if it was at that time that the ffc may have felt that she should identify William was in care.
Not a medical condition, but needed to be noted. Not a question 000 operators would routinely ask. imo

Is there some FACS ruling about the timeline of reporting a missing child in foster care? Would the foster family have the reporting responsibility or police?

 

[papertrail]

What category of medical condition would be blanked out for the recording? Something that seems of a more permanent nature and occurrs to the FFC before asthma. My reasoning being if he had a cold that day or flu or bronchitis, why would it be blanked out of the recording? IMO

I have always wondered what MFC needed to get dispensed at the pharmacy that fateful day.

 

[papertrail]

On two occassions in the press, BGM has had aspersions thrown her way about possibly being involved in WT's disappearance. We know that the media has been harnessed by the police during this investigation to put pressure on POIs. BGM had been interviewed initially by Taylor Auberbach for the Sydney Telegraph and built rapport with her. He seemed to be getting all the top stories for a while about this case and then it was strongly guessed at that he was getting the scoop because he was willing to co operate with the police. Taylor Auerbach produced the KL, BGM segment for a current affair and also the interview with APS, again a rapport building exercise in my opinion. The point being in the following 2 media links are examples of police showing suspicion around BGM, she knows it and yet claims that they haven't pulled her in for an interview. So I think her comments to the media are a bit more than wanting attention or cuddles from the police. I think she has been saying, " I know you have suspected me, well here I am, come and ask me your questions instead of hinting at it in the media." IMO


https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...-abduction-investigation-20160906-gr9n80.html

Last year a photo came across the desks of NSW detectives showing a young boy and a woman in a McDonald's in Central Queensland.

The boy looked eerily similar to William, and the woman he was with looked like his grandmother, BGM* (name changed by me).

William's complicated background prevents reporting of certain aspects of his family life. However BGM*(name changed by me) is not the grandmother who lived at the Kendall house where William disappeared from.

Fairfax Media reported last year that the hopes of detectives were dashed when police on the ground in Queensland confirmed the mother and boy were not who they hoped.

BGM* (name changed by me) had already been tagged as a person of interest in the investigation, a suggestion she strenuously disputes.

Maybe BGM felt she may be under suspicion because she had assisted William's bio parents to hide him away in 2011/2012 for a few weeks. I do not believe there is anything that indicates her involvement in the disappearance of William.

The media are used by police investigators to rattle the tree at times.

 

[Warshawski]

Incorrect. Apology accepted.

Paid leave is given when persons apply for it for personal reasons (holiday, moving house, etc), or when a doctor instructs it, or when a death in the family requires it, or when a close family member requires care.
To me, a person does not just 'take it'. Authorisation needs to be given, signed off by the appropriate person, for paid leave to be allowed to be taken from the leave accrual. Otherwise it is given as leave without pay.

I have no idea why Brenden Hills included it in his article. Sound like Jubes was just reassigned to duties in the 9th floor exec offices, so one would imagine Lambert was just reassigned to his rostered position with the Unsolved Homicide Review Team also. Don't know.

For what it's worth, IMO, this is splitting hairs over 'words' that could have multiple meanings.

There's 'paid' & 'unpaid' leave - approved or otherwise, and for whatever reason. But it's 'taken' - otherwise the said person wold still be showing up for their normal workday role ...that's how it works in my very simple mind.

But I don't really care who's on leave or why.

I just care that genuine & experienced focus is on solving this mystery - a little boy does not just evaporate, which means there are answers to be had.

 

[sosocurious]

Is there some FACS ruling about the timeline of reporting a missing child in foster care? Would the foster family have the reporting responsibility or police?

I don't know.

 

[papertrail]

The MSM version of the triple-0 call is now longer than it was before. I don't know when it was updated or why.

Here's my transcript of the new section, including the questions before and after to show where it fits:

Simone (S), the triple-0 operator: What's William's surname?
Female foster carer (FFC): Ah, Tyrrell: T-Y-double R-E-double L.
S: What was your name?
FFC: It's [bleeped].
S: Your surname?
FFC: [bleeped].
S: Okay. What's your phone number?
FFC: Ah, [bleeped].
S: Okay. Does he have any health concerns or anything?
FFC: He has [bleeped] and suffers from asthma every so often.
S: Okay... I'll pop that in there for you...
FFC: Yep.
S: Okay. Has he been known to, sort of, go anywhere, [inaudible]?
FFC: No! This is the first time. It's completely out of character.

"Mystery deepens"..., Daily Mail Australia, 26 March 2019

As an aside re the pic of the 2 cars location in media linked article. The house behind the white vehicle is where Mrs Sharpley lived. She exited the property at 8.40am and she testified there were no cars parked in the street. FFC has said 2 cars were there at 7am and 9am.

 

[Warshawski]

The MSM version of the triple-0 call is now longer than it was before. I don't know when it was updated or why.

Here's my transcript of the new section, including the questions before and after to show where it fits:

Simone (S), the triple-0 operator: What's William's surname?
Female foster carer (FFC): Ah, Tyrrell: T-Y-double R-E-double L.
S: What was your name?
FFC: It's [bleeped].
S: Your surname?
FFC: [bleeped].
S: Okay. What's your phone number?
FFC: Ah, [bleeped].
S: Okay. Does he have any health concerns or anything?
FFC: He has [bleeped] and suffers from asthma every so often.
S: Okay... I'll pop that in there for you...
FFC: Yep.
S: Okay. Has he been known to, sort of, go anywhere, [inaudible]?
FFC: No! This is the first time. It's completely out of character.

"Mystery deepens"..., Daily Mail Australia, 26 March 2019

Thanks Stormbird. It's interesting the 'bleeped' especially re William's health.
IMO asthma can have catastrophic implications, yet that was allowed to be public.

What's something to do with a child's health that it's important to not make public in tgi ... maybe incase the 'perpretator' gets wind of that ?? It may be an incrimating factor perhaps ??

Maybe it went something like -

He has ...

Allergies to xx & gets Asthma

Cold at the moment & gets Asthma

Gastric bug at the moment & gets Asthma

Hearing / Sight / Speech impairment & gets Asthma

I wish I knew; I wish I had the answers. I pray & I hope you'll all join me.