Still Missing CA - Noah McIntosh, 8, Corona, early March 2019 *parents arrested*

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AnnaGrace said:
I feel the same. It's so hard sometimes. I tell myself the little ones need us. So very sad.
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It is- it's heart wrenching. So many wonderful couples out there would give anything and everything that they owned to be blessed with a child. You wonder why animal parents like this seem to have no trouble mass producing children, only to abuse, neglect, and in some cases, murder them. It's so unfair that these children are born to sick parents like this- they don't get to have a say before they're born, but the parents do.
 
Steelslady said:
It is- it's heart wrenching. So many wonderful couples out there would give anything and everything that they owned to be blessed with a child. You wonder why animal parents like this seem to have no trouble mass producing children, only to abuse, neglect, and in some cases, murder them. It's so unfair that these children are born to sick parents like this- they don't get to have a say before they're born, but the parents do.
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I'm at the point where I think it should be automatic death penalty when parents murder their children. Actually, any adult that murders a child.
 
Steelslady said:
So many wonderful couples out there would give anything and everything that they owned to be blessed with a child.
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Every time I read of a young child being murdered I wonder why the parents haven't put them up for adoption. So many couples are desperate for a child and in vitro fertilisation is very expensive and would be beyond what many can afford.

The average cost for one in vitro fertilization (IVF) cycle is $12,000. Basic IVF can be as much as $15,000 or may be as low as $10,000. It's rarely lower than that. These numbers do not include the cost of medications, which may be as low as $1,500 or as high as $3,000 per cycle.

The average couple spent $19,234. For every additional cycle, couples spent on average an additional $6,955.

So, according to this study, if a couple went through three cycles, that added up to a little over $33,000 in out-of-pocket expenses.

How Much Does One Cycle of In Vitro Fertilization Really Cost?

I really don't understand why little ones are murdered on such a regular basis when surrendering the child to a couple would free them up, but more importantly, the child would hopefully go to a loving, caring home where they are truly wanted.
 
Friday, June 14th:
*Felony Settlement Conference Hearing – (@ 8:30am PT) – CA – Noah McIntosh (8) (last seen about Feb. 24, 2019, died about Mar. 3 or 4, reported missing Mar. 12, 2019, Corona; not found yet) – only for *Bryce Daniel McIntosh (32) “father” arrested (3/13/19), charged (3/15/19) & arraigned (4/8/19) with felony willful child cruelty & dependent child abuse. Charged (3/28/19) & arraigned (4/3/19) with 1st degree murder with malice & special circumstance murder of torture. Plead not guilty. No bond (was $1M bond). Eligible for DP.
3/15/19 Update: Arraigned rescheduled for Bryce: 4/2 on murder charges & 4/8 on abuse charges.
4/2/19 Update: For medical reasons, McIntosh was a no show for arraignment for murder. Arraigned on 4/3/19. Plead not guilty.
4/8/19 Update: He was arraigned on all charges on 4/3, in which he plead not guilty to all charges. Has Felony Settlement conference on 4/16 re murder charges.
4/16/19 Update: Hearing has been continued to 6/14.
*Jillian Marie Godfrey (36) “mother” arrested (3/13/19), charged (3/15/19) & arraigned (4/8/19) with felony willful child cruelty (endangerment). Plead not guilty. $500K bond.
Godfrey says 3/2/19 is the last time she saw Noah. 11 yr old daughter in CPS custody.
3/15/19 Update: Arraignment for Godfrey on 4/8.
4/8/19 Update: Her arraignment hearing on a child cruelty charge. Plead not guilty. Morreale (Godfrey's atty) objecting to media coverage of the arraignment. Very prejudicial to have cameras in the courtroom. Judge Magno says he has put procedural safeguards in place, He continues to grant video, still cameras & reporters. Godfrey's defense attorney asked for a continuance to April 15. No objection from prosecutors. Motion granted.
4/15/19 Update: Plead not guilty. Next hearing on 5/17. Preliminary hearings are not set yet to see if there is enough evidence to be bound over for trial. 5/17/19: Next pretrial hearing on 8/9.
 
Niner said:
@Jim_M - any updated court date for McIntosh?

TIA! :)
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It appears that 7/17/2019 will be the next 'Felony Settlement Conference', for both cases.

Case 1/2: RIF1901410


Case RIF1901410 - Defendants

Seq Defendant Next Court Date Status Agency /
DR Number Arrest Date Count 1 Charge Violation Date
1 MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL Felony Settlement Conference
07/17/2019 AT 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 ACTIVE CRPD
192605 03/04/2019 PC 187(A) 03/04/2019


Case RIF1901410 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Status


Custody In Custody
Filing Type Complaint
Filing Date 03/28/2019
Ordered Bail $0.00
Posted Bail $0.00
D.A. John Henry and Nikolaus Peters Defense DPD-Brian Cosgrove and Allison
Next Action: Felony Settlement Conference
07/17/2019 AT 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 Deputy Report #: CRPD 192605

Warrant Type Status Issued Affidavit
ARR RECALLED 03/28/2019 N/A
Probation Type Granted Expiration
N/A N/A N/A
Sentence Convicted Date Fine and Penalty Restitution Fine
N/A 0


Case RIF1901410 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Charges

Arrest Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status
1 PC 187(A) F Murder 03/04/2019
Filed Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status
1 PC 187(A) F Murder 03/04/2019 NOT GUILTY ACTIVE
Enhancement Description Plea Status
PC 190.2(A)(18) Spec Circ-Inflict Torture DENY ACTIVE


Case RIF1901410 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Probation

Probation Has Not Been Granted On This Case For This Defendant.


Case RIF1901410 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Related Cases On Calendar

Related Cases On Calendar
Case Number Charges Next Hearing
RIF1901251 PC 273A(A) FELONY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE
07/17/2019 8:30 AM Dept. 41


Case RIF1901410 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - All of Defendant's Other Cases

Case Number Filed Date Charges Next Hearing Jurisdiction Status
RIF1901251 03/15/2019 PC 273A(A) Felony Settlement Conference
07/17/2019 AT 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 SUPERIOR COURT - RIVERSIDE Active


Case RIF1901410 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Actions & Minutes

Action Date Action Text Disposition Hearing Type
12/31/2050 CASE DESIGNATION: DEATH PENALTY UNKNOWN

07/17/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 FELONY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE ACTIVE TSC

06/14/2019 REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE PURSUANT TO PC 1050 FILED.

06/14/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 FELONY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE DISPOSED TSC
Minutes

04/23/2019 SUBPOENAED DOCUMENTS RECEIVED FROM CHINO VALLEY UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT AND FORWARDED TO HOJ RECORDS.
04/23/2019 SUBPOENAED DOCUMENTS RECEIVED FROM CHINO VALLEY UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT AND FORWARDED TO HOJ RECORDS.
04/19/2019 DECLARATION OF COUNSEL FILED BY DPD BRIAN COSGROVE.
04/16/2019 REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE PURSUANT TO PC 1050 FILED.
04/16/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 FELONY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE DISPOSED TSC
Minutes

04/15/2019 NOTIFICATION TO APPEALS OF CASE FILED WITH 190.2 ENHANCEMENT CHARGE
04/08/2019 MODIFIED COURT ORDER RE: MEDIA REQUESTS FILED.
04/05/2019 ORDER RE: MEDIA REQUESTS FILED.
04/04/2019 EXPARTE MOTION FOR CONFIDENTIAL CONTACT VISITS FILED BY DEFENSE
04/03/2019 REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE PURSUANT TO PC 1050 FILED.
04/03/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KNX 1070AM FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
04/03/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
04/03/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 ARRAIGNMENT DISPOSED ARRAIGNMENT
Minutes

04/02/2019 1:30 PM DEPT. 41I FELONY INCUSTODY ARRAIGNMENT DISPOSED ARRAIGNMENT
Minutes

04/02/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
04/02/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY JOHN HALL FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
04/02/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
04/02/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY ELAINE LEDESMA FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
04/02/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
04/02/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY THE PRESS-ENTERPRISE FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
04/02/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
04/02/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KNBC 4 FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
04/02/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KABC-TV CHANNEL 7 FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
04/02/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
03/29/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
03/29/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KTLA NEWS FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE JOHN D. MOLLOY
03/28/2019 WARRANT WAS RECALLED SUCCESSFULLY
03/28/2019 DECLARATION IN SUPPORT OF ARREST WARRANT FILED; JUDGE DAVID A GUNN
03/28/2019 WARRANT RECALL REQUESTED.
03/28/2019 COMPLAINT FILED. (IMAGED)
03/28/2019 DECLARATION IN SUPPORT OF ARREST WARRANT FILED; JUDGE DAVID A GUNN
03/28/2019 DECLARATION BY LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR WALK-THROUGH ARREST WARRANT AND ORDER.
03/28/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 61 EX PARTE HEARING RE: DECLARATION IN SUPPORT OF ARREST WARRANT DISPOSED
Minutes

03/28/2019 JURISDICTION SET TO RI BY OTS310.
03/28/2019 COMPLAINT FILED BY CRVR1


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Case 2/2: RIF1901251








Case RIF1901251 - Defendants

Seq Defendant Next Court Date Status Agency /
DR Number Arrest Date Count 1 Charge Violation Date
1 MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL Felony Settlement Conference
07/17/2019 AT 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 ACTIVE CRPD
192647 02/14/2019 PC 273A(A) 02/14/2019
2 GODFREY, JILLIAN MARIE Felony Settlement Conference
08/09/2019 AT 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 ACTIVE CRPD
192647 02/14/2019 PC 273A(A) 02/14/2019


Case RIF1901251 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Status


Custody In Custody
Filing Type Complaint
Filing Date 03/15/2019
Ordered Bail $1,000,000.00
Posted Bail $0.00
D.A. John Henry and Nikolaus Peters Defense DPD-Brian Cosgrove and Allison
Next Action: Felony Settlement Conference
07/17/2019 AT 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 Deputy Report #: CRPD 192647

Warrant Type Status Issued Affidavit
NONE N/A N/A
Probation Type Granted Expiration
N/A N/A N/A
Sentence Convicted Date Fine and Penalty Restitution Fine
N/A 0


Case RIF1901251 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Charges

Arrest Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status
1 PC 273A(A) F Willful Child Cruelty 02/14/2019
Filed Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status
1 PC 273A(A) F Willful Child Cruelty 02/14/2019 NOT GUILTY ACTIVE


Case RIF1901251 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Probation

Probation Has Not Been Granted On This Case For This Defendant.


Case RIF1901251 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Related Cases On Calendar

Related Cases On Calendar
Case Number Charges Next Hearing
RIF1901410 PC 187(A) FELONY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE
07/17/2019 8:30 AM Dept. 41


Case RIF1901251 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - All of Defendant's Other Cases

Case Number Filed Date Charges Next Hearing Jurisdiction Status
RIF1901410 03/28/2019 PC 187(A) Felony Settlement Conference
07/17/2019 AT 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 SUPERIOR COURT - RIVERSIDE Active


Case RIF1901251 - MCINTOSH, BRYCE DANIEL - Actions & Minutes

Action Date Action Text Disposition Hearing Type

07/17/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 FELONY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE ACTIVE TSC

06/14/2019 REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE PURSUANT TO PC 1050 FILED.

06/14/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 FELONY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE DISPOSED TSC
Minutes

05/14/2019 HEARING SET 05/14/2019 AT 8:30 FOR HS IS VACATED.
05/14/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 HEARING SET RE: REQUEST FOR COURT ORDER VACATED
04/16/2019 REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE PURSUANT TO PC 1050 FILED.
04/16/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 FELONY SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE DISPOSED TSC
Minutes

04/08/2019 MODIFIED COURT ORDER RE: MEDIA REQUESTS FILED.
04/08/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 ARRAIGNMENT VACATED ARRAIGNMENT
04/05/2019 ORDER RE: MEDIA REQUESTS FILED.
04/03/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
04/03/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KTTV FOX 11 FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
04/03/2019 REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE PURSUANT TO PC 1050 FILED.
04/03/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KNX 1070 AM FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
04/03/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
04/03/2019 8:30 AM DEPT. 41 ARRAIGNMENT DISPOSED ARRAIGNMENT
Minutes

03/15/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KCBS/KCAL FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
03/15/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
03/15/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
03/15/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KTTV FOX 11 NEWS FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
03/15/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
03/15/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KABC TV CHANNEL 7 FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
03/15/2019 ON 03/15/2019 BY JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
03/15/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE FILED ON 03/15/20 WAS INTERLINEATED--
03/15/2019 1:30 PM DEPT. 41I FELONY INCUSTODY ARRAIGNMENT DISPOSED ARRAIGNMENT
Minutes

03/15/2019 ORDER ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE SUBMITTED BY KTLA-NEWS FILED. ORDER G-GRANTED JUDGE O.G. MAGNO
03/15/2019 MEDIA REQUEST TO PHOTOGRAPH, RECORD, OR BROADCAST FILED.
03/15/2019 THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.
03/15/2019 THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.
03/15/2019 DOCUMENT ORDERED SEALED: DECLARATION IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO INCREASE BAIL FILED ON WAS ORDERED SEALED BY THE COURT ON .
03/15/2019 CASE DESIGNATION: VERTICAL. CASE ASSIGNED TO DEPT. 41
03/15/2019 COMPLAINT FILED. (IMAGED)
03/15/2019 FINGERPRINTS COMPLETED - AGENCY.
03/15/2019 JURISDICTION SET TO RI BY OTS310.
03/15/2019 COMPLAINT FILED BY CREOG


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September16 said:
Soo sad, so sorry. How do we fight for grandparents rights?
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Did the grandparents never go to court to establish custody?
I am just trying to catch up but I know that the grandparents raised the children since Noah's birth so I'm wondering how the mother was allowed to take the children after so many years and allow them to be around the father.
The only way I can see that happening is if custody was never established, which would give both parents the right to the children at any time.

Maybe the father did not show much interest in his kids so they never felt they had to.
Either way, this is a tragic story and what happened to Noah should never happen to any child, yet we keep reading about it time after time.

I don't know why CPS could find no evidence of abuse, even if the child does not admit to it they are trained to recognize a child who is being coached. Even if they were unsure, they could have looked into it more thoroughly and at least advised the grandparents to establish custody knowing that they raised him.

I can't imagine any court not granting them legal custody knowing the child had a strong bond with the only parents he knew. Imo
 
Stunned said:
She probably went to parenting classes. Eye roll!
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That made me cry.

Realizing that being assigned to any kind of 'classes', allows these people to get their kids. And I don't mean all parents in this situation, but for heaven's sake there HAD to be signs of the abuse.

There needed to be better protocols in place for the children. That's where we keep having these failures. Protocols (Procedures and laws) MUST be updated, and followed up on. And our Social Work needs to be vastly improved. Of course that, that comes down to funding. Oh well. What better can we do as a society? Just MHO and speculating.
 
MsBetsy said:
Did the grandparents never go to court to establish custody?
I am just trying to catch up but I know that the grandparents raised the children since Noah's birth so I'm wondering how the mother was allowed to take the children after so many years and allow them to be around the father.
The only way I can see that happening is if custody was never established, which would give both parents the right to the children at any time.

Maybe the father did not show much interest in his kids so they never felt they had to.
Either way, this is a tragic story and what happened to Noah should never happen to any child, yet we keep reading about it time after time.

I don't know why CPS could find no evidence of abuse, even if the child does not admit to it they are trained to recognize a child who is being coached. Even if they were unsure, they could have looked into it more thoroughly and at least advised the grandparents to establish custody knowing that they raised him.

I can't imagine any court not granting them legal custody knowing the child had a strong bond with the only parents he knew. Imo
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I don't know that we know. We speculated back some time ago that the daughter also lived with her parents and it was all informal and always had been, that her parents raised or helped her raise the children. Whether the daughter was always there or was with the children's dad off and on or had contact with him, I am not sure is known either. It appears that one day dad either talked her into getting them and moving out to live with him or near him and she decided to. Whatever the case is, from that point on was not good for Noah imo. Likely the sister either but particularly Noah.

At some point, it seems the mother lost the place she was living and was living in her car yet was in the apartment at times where the dad lived.

The grandfather suspected or knew of abuse from I think Noah or the sister and did call allegedly to CPS in the area the kids were, to no avail apparently. I do not know that they ever tried for custody or felt they could. He is devastated.

Why this mother ever, ever left with the kids and moved them is beyond me. Maybe she had a falling out with her parents caused by her or maybe the father of the children talked her into something with some grand promises if she brought them to live out there, or to help, I don't think we really know.

This is all to the best of my recollection. I can answer more freely here, did not want to go too far off topic on the other thread.

For all of these cases and how often I have called someone evil, Noah's father may be one of the worst of the worst of the worst of the devil incarnate that I have seen.

Others may recall some of these facts better than I.

Jmo and to the best of my recollection.
 
ilovechili said:
I don't know that we know. We speculated back some time ago that the daughter also lived with her parents and it was all informal and always had been, that her parents raised or helped her raise the children. Whether the daughter was always there or was with the children's dad off and on or had contact with him, I am not sure is known either. It appears that one day dad either talked her into getting them and moving out to live with him or near him and she decided to. Whatever the case is, from that point on was not good for Noah imo. Likely the sister either but particularly Noah.

At some point, it seems the mother lost the place she was living and was living in her car yet was in the apartment at times where the dad lived.

The grandfather suspected or knew of abuse from I think Noah or the sister and did call allegedly to CPS in the area the kids were, to no avail apparently. I do not know that they ever tried for custody or felt they could. He is devastated.

Why this mother ever, ever left with the kids and moved them is beyond me. Maybe she had a falling out with her parents caused by her or maybe the father of the children talked her into something with some grand promises if she brought them to live out there, or to help, I don't think we really know.

This is all to the best of my recollection. I can answer more freely here, did not want to go too far off topic on the other thread.

For all of these cases and how often I have called someone evil, Noah's father may be one of the worst of the worst of the worst of the devil incarnate that I have seen.

Others may recall some of these facts better than I.

Jmo and to the best of my recollection.
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Even if they did try to do something in the courts for grandparent visitation or custody, the courts are slow moving and it's a big expense. Meanwhile the parents had full custody and the grandparents and children were helpless.
One can ask the court for an emergency order but without there being a recorded history of abuse it might be denied. One can ask for evaluations too but a judge might not order it.
 
kkdj said:
Even if they did try to do something in the courts for grandparent visitation or custody, the courts are slow moving and it's a big expense. Meanwhile the parents had full custody and the grandparents and children were helpless.
One can ask the court for an emergency order but without there being a recorded history of abuse it might be denied. One can ask for evaluations too but a judge might not order it.
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I entirely agree with everything you said.

It is quite possible too that this was their daughter and while they did not maybe like it, they felt it was up to her and hoped for the best, then came to find out otherwise. Hard to say.

It is a huge expense I agree and as it is they probably supported and raised these children and likely supported their mother as well. Just speculating but an educated guess. Even then, as you say, without proof even if they were always present, a custody fight would probably end up with one parent or the other having custody and not the grandparents. To our knowledge, they never had custody by any legal arrangement, just probably helped out their daughter and her children with no need to have a custody arrangement. He was non-existent in their lives or pretty much so it seems.

Jmo.
 
ilovechili said:
I entirely agree with everything you said.

It is quite possible too that this was their daughter and while they did not maybe like it, they felt it was up to her and hoped for the best, then came to find out otherwise. Hard to say.

It is a huge expense I agree and as it is they probably supported and raised these children and likely supported their mother as well. Just speculating but an educated guess. Even then, as you say, without proof even if they were always present, a custody fight would probably end up with one parent or the other having custody and not the grandparents. To our knowledge, they never had custody by any legal arrangement, just probably helped out their daughter and her children with no need to have a custody arrangement. He was non-existent in their lives or pretty much so it seems.

Jmo.
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Sounds to me like their mother could have gone to court to file for custody, since she was living with them for some time and the father was not in the children's lives. She wouldn't need a lawyer if the children were old enough to testify that they didn't even know the father.
The only reason I say that is because it appears that she knew enough about the father to consider him to be a possible threat. A responsible, caring parent wouldn't allow her children to be around him unsupervised, especially since the kids barely knew him. Yet she would be powerless unless she had documented custody.
She still could have allowed them to live with her parents, but they would have been protected from the father. Imo
 
MsBetsy said:
Sounds to me like their mother could have gone to court to file for custody, since she was living with them for some time and the father was not in the children's lives. She wouldn't need a lawyer if the children were old enough to testify that they didn't even know the father.
The only reason I say that is because it appears that she knew enough about the father to consider him to be a possible threat. A responsible, caring parent wouldn't allow her children to be around him unsupervised, especially since the kids barely knew him. Yet she would be powerless unless she had documented custody.
She still could have allowed them to live with her parents, but they would have been protected from the father. Imo
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I have no idea if she had custody from earlier years, I can't recall if we know if there was any formal arrangement. I am pretty sure they were never married, cannot recall for sure, but clearly were together probably long enough to have two children.

Apparently she moved there willingly and put the children in his realm and care willingly or so it seems. My thought is once so many miles away from her parents she had no support system but for him and it backfired big time on her.

We all know she left Noah there having heard him asking his father why he was hurting him (paraphrasing). It still makes me ill. She also had photos of his abuse on her phone. These two things I believe are fact per LE documents. Finally, the sister/her daughter had to basically tell her she should call LE about Noah missing and this was some time after he was last seen.

Some speculated taking the kids with provided a government check and assistance. I am really trying to remember but I think she did get a job and work for at least a time.

This is all to the best of my recollection, it has been awhile since the facts were fresh with me. Others should feel free to chime in or correct me if I have something wrong.

I think all agree she should have just left the children with her parents. Whether she felt bad their father was not in their life, had a thing for him he played on or she thought he changed, she made a really poor decision that cost Noah his life and also torture at the hands of his father, imo. He took his life but she had opportunities to do something about it, imo.

This is to the best of my recollection and jmo.
 
I tried to come back to Noah's thread and catch up with what we now know since I followed when he was first reported missing. I wish I hadn't, it's so much worse than I imagined. I'm so sorry lil man, that you were subjected to torture. The fear you must have felt. RIP bud.
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