Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

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BBM.

I hadn’t really considered that, SA. God forbid he, or anyone else, took matters into their own hands. What a tragedy for them and William’s siblings if they did.

Could you please explain what you mean?
 
Except their mission succeeded.

And you don't have to have intelligent agent service levels to install a hacking virus on a mobile phone. Just one click will do it. Even a simpleton mind could do it.
I think if it was that easy we’d see a hell of a lot more of it going on everywhere and none of us that own a mobile phone are safe. I recently lost my father and tried to access his phone but without a password it’s Fort Knox , hours spent with apple trying. I don’t buy it’s that easy.
 
I think if it was that easy we’d see a hell of a lot more of it going on everywhere and none of us that own a mobile phone are safe

Sounds a bit too Maxwell Smart for this case.

KISS ... keep it simple Sam.

This is an abduction and complete disappearance of a gorgeous little boy, not the kidnapping of the PM of Australia. imo

But each theory to its own. I personally cant buy into something so complex over a 3 year old boy who was not heir to a fortune or anything like that.
 
Sounds a bit too Maxwell Smart for this case.

KISS ... keep it simple Sam.

This is an abduction of a gorgeous little boy, not the kidnapping of the PM of Australia. imo

But each theory to its own. I personally cant buy into something so complex over a 3 year old boy who was not heir to a fortune or anything like that.
Just a tad, one of many colourful theories we’ve heard
 
BBM - So if the FCer's had this high grade security it probably wouldn't be possible?

I ask this as MFC worked in IT at the time (IT Co specialising in RE), and you would think that they would have this protection.

Messages posted to MFC from a male friend show MFC was not security conscious prior to the abduction.
 
I actually hate this case. All I can hope is that the police are courageous in this investigation and do not bend/ cooperate with bigger vested interests. I can't link and I can't elaborate so I'll just have to put this comment down to - IMO

There's Wrong .. and then there's Wrong .. .IMO. And I think I get where you're coming from Froggy. It's just a gut feeling - I hope & pray for the right answers .
 
LOL, I can try, Say the PM of England allowed her chauffer to borrow the Rolls for a country jaunt, and as he was listening to the radio and sipping his tea, whilst driving and having a lovely time, he was somewhat distracted and didn't notice a woman in the road and knocked her over. At the scene, the woman's family wanted answers and he couldn't really give any because he was in shock. The PM decided to make sure that the chauffer was legally represented by her best men, regularly took an interest in the investigation by calling the Minister for Justice, made sure he the chauffer had top PR and informed fleet street that if the victim's family started making waves to dig up as much dirt on them as possible and keep throwing it, until nobody can really remember anymore what the facts of the crash was and everyone span on the spot chasing their tales and if they ever thought about looking at the chauffer again, they knew a law suit or similar would be thrown at them. The chauffer became the president of the motor vehichle association.... I don't know, it's the best I can do. MOO
Hey Froggy - have you ever considered a career in 'script writing' ?
 
So let me get this straight. Your theory about William’s disappearance consists of at least two people, with intelligence services-level phone hacking and surveillance skills, physically installing secret listening software not only on FM’s but also FF’s phones, following them to Kendall, laying in wait for the FF’s car (that they could identify through FB photos posted prior) to leave FGM’s, tracking FF’s phone by GPS, and listening in to the FM’s phone for the right time to grab William, to keep him as their own or for the dark web? Sounds like the plot of a Mission: Impossible movie.
I think if it was that easy we’d see a hell of a lot more of it going on everywhere and none of us that own a mobile phone are safe. I recently lost my father and tried to access his phone but without a password it’s Fort Knox , hours spent with apple trying. I don’t buy it’s that easy.
reading about some of the apps available you only need a persons ph number, send them a photo or link to open and once they do its installed in their phone
 

This is truly heartbreaking.
I’d have thought there’d be someone, in amongst the various departments involved, that would have appointed some actual support and assisted supports to access legal guidance to the BD & BM.
Via a support worker, or the lady who fought to have their names released?
If absolutely no supports were offered this is a disgrace.
I heard every bit of BD’s trauma and pain in this article. I hope he has healthy emotional support surrounding him.
 
Points
* Jubelin will be called as a witness at the inquest
* He will be questioned by counsel for various poi's. Some keen to cross examine him about his methods.
* He will be questioned about his intense focus on one time poi BS, ahead of other possible leads.
* All historical charges laid against BS have been dismissed or dropped and he is considering taking action for malicious prosecution.
* The ffc has never been considered suspects. Nor has the mfc who told police he was absent from the house at the time of the disappearance.
* Jubelin focused his attention on local man PS. Both PS and BS have denied any involvement.
* Tension between detectives on the case reached boiling point when 2 officers had a physical confrontation about where resources were going.
* It is understood he is accused of recording a conversation with PS without a warrant.

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrrell inquest to grill axed detective over his ‘method
 
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Points
* Jubelin will be called as a witness at the inquest
* He will be questioned by counsel for various poi's. Some keen to cross examine him about his methods.
* He will be questioned about his intense focus on one time poi BS, ahead of other possible leads.
* All historical charges laid against BS have been dismissed or dropped and he is considering taking action for malicious prosecution.
* The ffc has never been considered suspects. Nor has the mfc who told police he was absent from the house at the time of the disappearance.
* Jubelin focused his attention on local man PS. Both PS and BS have denied any involvement.
* Tension between detectives on the case reached boiling point when 2 officers had a physical confrontation about where resources were going.
* It is understood he is accused of recording a conversation with PS without a warrant.

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrrell inquest to grill axed detective over his ‘method

Very interesting...GJ media releases always seemed to be reaching out to a particular someone, "If you are protecting someone" etc etc...so that has me thinking is the unnamed POI to be called an associate or more so a relative of PS.

On Wednesday the 25th June, 10 daily done an exclusive with PS, he said some interesting word's, I can't get the link as I've only been able to find the segment via 10play app.
Could someone help me on how I could get the link plz?

Because I can't link atm this will have to be IMO
 
Points
* Jubelin will be called as a witness at the inquest
* He will be questioned by counsel for various poi's. Some keen to cross examine him about his methods.
* He will be questioned about his intense focus on one time poi BS, ahead of other possible leads.
* All historical charges laid against BS have been dismissed or dropped and he is considering taking action for malicious prosecution.
* The ffc has never been considered suspects. Nor has the mfc who told police he was absent from the house at the time of the disappearance.
* Jubelin focused his attention on local man PS. Both PS and BS have denied any involvement.
* Tension between detectives on the case reached boiling point when 2 officers had a physical confrontation about where resources were going.
* It is understood he is accused of recording a conversation with PS without a warrant.

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrrell inquest to grill axed detective over his ‘method

So, the article says that Jubes had an initial focus on Spedding. Then that focus changed to Savage somewhere along the line.

And Spedding's lawyer has evidently requested that he be able to ask questions of Jubes about his initial focus on Spedding.

I read last night (I think it was in the piece that JLZ linked about inquests) that the lawyers cannot just ask questions of a witness whenever they want to in an inquest. That a witness cannot be cross examined. If the information has already been covered by counsel assisting the Coroner, then that's it.
 
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This is truly heartbreaking.
I’d have thought there’d be someone, in amongst the various departments involved, that would have appointed some actual support and assisted supports to access legal guidance to the BD & BM.
Via a support worker, or the lady who fought to have their names released?
If absolutely no supports were offered this is a disgrace.
I heard every bit of BD’s trauma and pain in this article. I hope he has healthy emotional support surrounding him.

IMO it is very possible that police support was offered to the BP. Neither of them appears to be real big on 'authority' so it may be that it was refused or negated (or not remembered).

A police support person not only acts as support. They are also useful for police in forming a relationship with the victim's loved ones - that relationship being useful if things that could be related to the case are remembered or revealed by the loved ones, later on ... after their initial statements.
 
Points
* Jubelin will be called as a witness at the inquest
* He will be questioned by counsel for various poi's. Some keen to cross examine him about his methods.
* He will be questioned about his intense focus on one time poi BS, ahead of other possible leads.
* All historical charges laid against BS have been dismissed or dropped and he is considering taking action for malicious prosecution.
* The ffc has never been considered suspects. Nor has the mfc who told police he was absent from the house at the time of the disappearance.
* Jubelin focused his attention on local man PS. Both PS and BS have denied any involvement.
* Tension between detectives on the case reached boiling point when 2 officers had a physical confrontation about where resources were going.
* It is understood he is accused of recording a conversation with PS without a warrant.

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrrell inquest to grill axed detective over his ‘method


IMO that article is a bit over the top. GJ would have to be called as a witness anyway, and it would be natural for other legal reps to question him.
 
IMO that article is a bit over the top. GJ would have to be called as a witness anyway, and it would be natural for other legal reps to question him.

There is nothing in the article that sounds unusual to me, either.

Jubes would have been trying to eliminate POIs one by one as normal.
First eliminating the FF, as stated, then somewhere along the line trying to eliminate Spedding, then later trying to eliminate Savage.

Of course, there would many others in between who would have been eliminated as POIs (including the BP).
Perhaps the persons mentioned were the 'biggest' ones to look at by the person in charge of the investigation. Start at home and then work outwards, the way all/most investigations are conducted.
 
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